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Topic Started: Dec 3 2015, 02:54 AM (557 Views)
VoiceofReason

This is the first time I've ever seen the brother of a Muslim gunman come out immediately and express sadness for the victims and their families. I think it's about time. Beyond about time.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-involved-calif-massacre-identified-article-1.2453471

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"I cannot express how sad I am for what happened today," a visibly upset Kahn said. "My condolences to the people who lost their lives. I am in shock that something like this could happen."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/police-respond-reports-active-shooter-san-bernardino/story?id=35535995


2 San Bernardino Shooting Suspects Identified
By MEGHAN KENEALLY TOM LIDDY
Dec 3, 2015, 1:38 AM ET

At least 14 people were dead and another 17 injured in a shooting Wednesday in San Bernardino, California, when gunmen who were heavily armed and "on a mission" opened fire during a function at a center for people with developmental disabilities, police said.

Police believe two alleged shooters -- a county employee and a woman with whom he was in a relationship opened fire around 11 a.m. at the Inland Regional Center. They were armed with assault weapons and "prepared to do what they did as if they were on a mission," San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said.


Investigators were still trying to determine a motive, but have not ruled out terrorism.

"We have no information at this point to indicate that this is terrorist related in the traditional sense that people may be thinking. Obviously at minimum we have a domestic terrorist type situation that occurred here,” Burguan said. The FBI later said that terrorism was a "possibility."
Edited by VoiceofReason, Dec 3 2015, 03:06 AM.
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Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, has been identified as one of the suspected gunmen in the Wednesday morning shooting at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California, police said. He was killed in a shootout with police several hours after the shooting.

A woman, Tashfeen Malik, 27, was also killed. It’s not yet known if there was a third suspect.

At least 14 people were killed and 17 others were wounded. The shooting occurred at about 11 a.m., and the suspects were shot at about 3 p.m. after a police chase that began at a home in Redlands, California, and ended with a shootout in San Bernardino.

Witnesses said there were three shooters, but police said they now believe there were only two gunmen.

Police said it’s unclear if Farook and Malik were married, or were engaged. Farook’s brother-in-law said at a press conference that Farook’s wife is also missing. They have a 6-month-old child together, according to the New York Times. The child was left with Farook’s mother, the Times reports.
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still a developing story
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Yes. 14 dead so far, at least another 10 injured... Smh.
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Dec 3 2015, 03:07 AM
Yes. 14 dead so far, at least another 10 injured... Smh.
I also heard CAIR, a muslim pro islamic group say this has nothing to do with islam. The fbi as of now hasn't said yet one way or another.
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What good will it do for the brother-in-law of one of the gunmen to stand in front of the U.S, and offer an apology? America pretty much made up it 's mind about Muslims years ago.Islamic's will be all lumped together and labeled terrorists. The few Muslims that commit these violent acts, just don't realize how difficult they are making it for those of the Islamic faith who try to live as good and peaceful citizens.
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dogonstar
Dec 3 2015, 03:57 AM
What good will it do for the brother-in-law of one of the gunmen to stand in front of the U.S, and offer an apology? America pretty much made up it 's mind about Muslims years ago.Islamic's will be all lumped together and labeled terrorists. The few Muslims that commit these violent acts, just don't realize how difficult they are making it for those of the Islamic faith who try to live as good and peaceful citizens.
That's somewhat true and also the reason it is important for them to not be silent.

I heard an "expert" on the news actually say he was suspicious because they came forward immediately expressing sorrow.
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VoiceofReason
Dec 3 2015, 04:48 AM
dogonstar
Dec 3 2015, 03:57 AM
What good will it do for the brother-in-law of one of the gunmen to stand in front of the U.S, and offer an apology? America pretty much made up it 's mind about Muslims years ago.Islamic's will be all lumped together and labeled terrorists. The few Muslims that commit these violent acts, just don't realize how difficult they are making it for those of the Islamic faith who try to live as good and peaceful citizens.
That's somewhat true and also the reason it is important for them to not be silent.

I heard an "expert" on the news actually say he was suspicious because they came forward immediately expressing sorrow.
White people are paranoid about everything except being white, and if the truth was known they are probably paranoid about themselves too, and the reasons probably aren't logical either. Appreciate the " " as there is no such thing as an expert.
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Can't Help It
Dec 3 2015, 12:22 PM
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Dec 3 2015, 04:48 AM
dogonstar
Dec 3 2015, 03:57 AM
What good will it do for the brother-in-law of one of the gunmen to stand in front of the U.S, and offer an apology? America pretty much made up it 's mind about Muslims years ago.Islamic's will be all lumped together and labeled terrorists. The few Muslims that commit these violent acts, just don't realize how difficult they are making it for those of the Islamic faith who try to live as good and peaceful citizens.
That's somewhat true and also the reason it is important for them to not be silent.

I heard an "expert" on the news actually say he was suspicious because they came forward immediately expressing sorrow.
White people are paranoid about everything except being white, and if the truth was known they are probably paranoid about themselves too, and the reasons probably aren't logical either. Appreciate the " " as there is no such thing as an expert.
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Edited by VoiceofReason, Dec 3 2015, 12:25 PM.
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I read this morning that the couple also planted bombs at the building. But I've only read that in one report (below). I would think that's big news.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-san-bernardino-shooting-baby-suspects-20151203-story.html

Farook and Malik were dressed in black masks and tactical gear, armed with long guns and pistols, when they entered the holiday party as it was in full swing, police said. Before they fled, they had killed 14 people and wounded 17 others.

Two of the four weapons used in the shooting were legally purchased, according to Meredith Davis, public information officer for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Los Angeles. She said agents would "continue to investigate leads concerning the two additional firearms."

Four hours after the shooting, authorities chased a black sport utility vehicle with two people inside from a home in nearby Redlands. As TV news helicopters broadcast live from overhead, the chase spilled back onto San Bernardino's streets, where authorities and the suspects traded gunfire. Farook and Malik were killed.

Coworkers described Farook as quiet and polite, and said he had no obvious grudges with anyone in the office. He had recently traveled to Saudi Arabia and returned with a woman he met online, they said.

The couple had a baby and appeared to be “living the American dream,” said Patrick Baccari, a fellow inspector who shared a cubicle with Farook.

Baccari and Christian Nwadike said Farook, who they said had worked with them for about three years, rarely started a conversation. But the tall, thin young man with a full beard was well-liked and spent much of his time out in the field.

They and other colleagues said Farook was a devout Muslim, but rarely discussed religion at work.

"He never struck me as a fanatic, he never struck me as suspicious," said Griselda Reisinger, who worked with Farook before leaving the department in May.

Reisinger said she heard that the office recently threw a baby shower for Farook and that he had taken paternity leave.

A third person was detained in the area where the pursuit ended, but authorities said they had not connected that person to the shooting. During a news conference Wednesday night, Burguan said police believe there were only two shooters.

A federal law enforcement source told the Los Angeles Times that the suspects hurled what were believed to be pipe bombs at police during the vehicle pursuit. Burguan said police recovered one device, but it turned out not to be an explosive.

Burguan said police also discovered a device at the scene of the shooting that might have been an explosive and were working late into the night to dispose of it. Several items of concern were found inside the SUV, and investigators were trying to determine whether any of those items were dangerous.

The attack at the Inland Regional Center, which serves developmentally disabled people, rippled across San Bernardino. All county schools, city government buildings and courthouses were locked down. School officials, however, emphasized that students had not been in danger and were dismissed on the regular schedule.

Many of those facilities were expected to reopen Thursday morning.


If I was a parent of a child in that area, I wouldn't send my child back to school today.
Edited by VoiceofReason, Dec 3 2015, 12:36 PM.
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