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Why do we say women "nag" but men "request"?
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Zechariah
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Zechariah
reddgirl64
Sep 10 2015, 12:27 PM
cisslybee2012
Sep 10 2015, 12:24 PM
Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 12:15 PM
Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own.

Dr Wade Noble quotes
This isn't about racism Z.
The power to define, includes, racism, sexism, education, laws, religion, etc..

He/she, who has the power, defines!

Very well said. :)
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reddgirl64

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Sep 10 2015, 12:19 PM
Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 12:11 PM
The Power to Define Reality

The power to define reality: Whose reality is real?

When I speak about my personal experiences with subtle and covert forms of discrimination, also known as microaggressions (see previous entry), I am often challenged about my interpretations. Is it possible, they may ask, that the behavior exhibited by the person you described had nothing to do with discrimination? Aren't there many other logical reasons why that behavior may have occurred? While the answer to these questions can be "yes," one important detail is overlooked when this type of inquiry takes place. The perspective of the person sharing their experiences with microaggressions is negated.

Why is it that many people are so quick to come up with reasons to defend the position that the experience was not discriminatory in nature? Why not just offer a neutral or supportive stance on the matter?

I believe the answer to this question has to do with power and who has the power to define reality. We live in a country that is dominated by the perspectives and ideals of a segment of society, rather than all of society. We need only look at who are in positions of power, such as politicians and corporate leaders, as well as who is represented in mainstream media, to find the answer to which segment of society has the power to define reality. Women, people of color, and lesbian, gay, and bisexual people (as well as other marginalized people) are highly underrepresented in positions of power in American society. And, it is often their experiences that are negated by those who have the power to define reality.

Let's think about this scenario: If a Black man and his White friend dine together in a restaurant and the White patron is given the wine list, and asked to taste and approve it, is there a potential bias here? If one considers the incident in isolation, the answers can be either "yes" or "no." Certainly, if the waiter were confronted about the behavior, he/she would probably deny it and leave with a belief that the Black patron was "oversensitive" and "paranoid." Supposing, however, that this scenario consistently happens when dining out together during lunch hours. When the Black man makes the observation about possible bias to his friend, he is also told by his friend that he is simply "oversensitive" and race had nothing to do with it. The racial reality of the Black man is being negated by his White colleague and the waiter. Whose reality is the true reality? In this case, the colleague, waiter and society have imposed their reality on the situation: The treatment of the Black patron had nothing to do with unconscious bias, but that it was a random act or explained by any number of reasons.

Research on microaggressions (link is external) suggests that marginalized people (e.g., women, people of color, sexual minorities, people with disabilities, religious minorities, the poor, etc.) experience microaggressions in their daily lives. Additionally, when they question the motives of perpetrators or try to defend their experiences, their perceptions and concerns are invalidated. Ironically, and in this case, the act of questioning a person's experience with microaggressions may, at times, be a form of microaggression! It is a denial of the aggressed person's right to interpret and give meaning to their lived experience. It is denying the fact that we live in a society wrought with social inequalities based on race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, social class, and ability. So, when a person is told that they have misinterpreted a discriminatory interaction, regardless of the intent, their experience as a marginalized person is negated.

So, why care about who has the power to define reality in any given situation? When only a fraction of society holds the power to define what is real and what is not real, the rest of us are left living by their rules. This can look like a woman who works in the financial industry having to conform to the ideals and expectations of a male dominated field in order to best ensure her chances for success. Or, it can look like a gay male elementary teacher having to conform to heteronormative behaviors by hiding his sexual orientation for fear of jeopardizing his career. In these examples, the woman and gay male have learned what the rules are for success in a sexist and heterosexist society. That is, they are forced to develop an understanding of the mindset of their oppressors for survival, whereas males and heterosexuals do not need to understand the mindset of women and sexual minorities in order for them to survive and succeed in American society. I can go on and on with examples of how people from marginalized identities have sacrificed their reality because they received the message that their reality was not real, but I think you get the point.

Whose reality is real? Reality is subjective. Reality is shaped by one's place in the world. To deny a person's reality, is to deny their place in the world.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/microaggressions-in-everyday-life/201010/the-power-define-reality
Thanks, Z.

I'm working on a M. Ed. research project and you may have just expanded my list of sources. I'm going to explore this a bit.
It's a great learning tool.
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cisslybee2012
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Sep 10 2015, 12:09 PM
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Sep 10 2015, 11:57 AM
Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 11:22 AM
All boils down to the "power to define", which men have and women don't.
That does sum it up, Z.
It's the first time I've heard it drilled down like that before.
Do you know what he mean?
We live in a male dominated society...

They've defined everything (almost)
But that's one of the biggest illusions in the world.

And why the world is filled with so much pain and suffering. Men only dominate society because women want them to and let them. Men do not define everything, women do. Men cannot dominate the world without women's permission. The little girl goes running for the boy and gratifies him, and then decides that he's in charge. And that's the female defining the conditions under which the male can manifest and how the whole society becomes male dominated.

It's as the world famous astrologer Robert Hand once said:

"Yin defines the circumstances and conditions under which the yang energy can manifest."

Yin is the female principal and Yang the male principal.
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Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 12:33 PM
reddgirl64
Sep 10 2015, 12:27 PM
cisslybee2012
Sep 10 2015, 12:24 PM
Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 12:15 PM
Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own.

Dr Wade Noble quotes
This isn't about racism Z.
The power to define, includes, racism, sexism, education, laws, religion, etc..

He/she, who has the power, defines!

Very well said. :)
:wub:

Thanks!
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reddgirl64
Sep 10 2015, 12:37 PM
Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 12:33 PM
reddgirl64
Sep 10 2015, 12:27 PM
cisslybee2012
Sep 10 2015, 12:24 PM
Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 12:15 PM
Power is the ability to define reality and to have other people respond to your definition as if it were their own.

Dr Wade Noble quotes
This isn't about racism Z.
The power to define, includes, racism, sexism, education, laws, religion, etc..

He/she, who has the power, defines!

Very well said. :)
:wub:

Thanks!
Y'all are jammin' on the one. 😎

(Maybe this site ain't so bad after all. 😜)
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cisslybee2012
Sep 10 2015, 12:37 PM
reddgirl64
Sep 10 2015, 12:09 PM
cisslybee2012
Sep 10 2015, 12:02 PM
VoiceofReason
Sep 10 2015, 11:57 AM
Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 11:22 AM
All boils down to the "power to define", which men have and women don't.
That does sum it up, Z.
It's the first time I've heard it drilled down like that before.
Do you know what he mean?
We live in a male dominated society...

They've defined everything (almost)
But that's one of the biggest illusions in the world.

And why the world is filled with so much pain and suffering. Men only dominate society because women want them to and let them. Men do not define everything, women do. Men cannot dominate the world without women's permission. The little girl goes running for the boy and gratifies him, and then decides that he's in charge. And that's the female defining the conditions under which the male can manifest and how the whole society becomes male dominated.

It's as the world famous astrologer Robert Hand once said:

"Yin defines the circumstances and conditions under which the yang energy can manifest."

Yin is the female principal and Yang the male principal.
Cis,

It's not an illusion, it's reality. Men make laws, men set certain standards, men have made rules, etc..

Now, that's not to say, women have not fought to have her say, and rewrite or alter the rules, we have.

I agree, the pain/suffering will fall at the feet of men, they want the glory of control, they must also take the responsibility of the results, of that control.

I also agree, until women, say, no more, the dominating will continue.

However, that does not change the fact, whomever has the power, controls.

In this country, it's whites. In Asia, it's the men. The women cover themselves, so the men, can't be tempted, women reproduction is controlled.

That's what Zechariah is pointing out, not that he agree's with it.

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I'm totally against what is the white male dominated "power to define". He has distorted everything from relationships, to culture, to history and everything in between. It has been one of the worlds worst developments, which is why I'm so well acquainted with it.
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cisslybee2012
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VoiceofReason
Sep 10 2015, 12:16 PM
cisslybee2012
Sep 10 2015, 12:02 PM
VoiceofReason
Sep 10 2015, 11:57 AM
Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 11:22 AM
All boils down to the "power to define", which men have and women don't.
That does sum it up, Z.
It's the first time I've heard it drilled down like that before.
Do you know what he mean?
Yes. It's a simple concept, really. But I'd never heard it put so succinctly.
I had no idea what he was talking about until he mentioned racism.

Which this thread isn't about.
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cisslybee2012
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Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 12:51 PM
I'm totally against what is the white male dominated "power to define". He has distorted everything from relationships, to culture, to history and everything in between. It has been one of the worlds worst developments, which is why I'm so well acquainted with it.
Distorted?

How do you mean?

Give an example.

Relationships are distorted how?
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cisslybee2012
Sep 10 2015, 12:56 PM
Zechariah
Sep 10 2015, 12:51 PM
I'm totally against what is the white male dominated "power to define". He has distorted everything from relationships, to culture, to history and everything in between. It has been one of the worlds worst developments, which is why I'm so well acquainted with it.
Distorted?

How do you mean?

Give an example.

Relationships are distorted how?
I'll give you a very simple one. Look in your dictionary and see the definitions of white and black.
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