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cisslybee2012
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But why does Bond have to be British?
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I like Idris more than Adrian Lester.

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/entertainment-news/james-bond-author-apologizes-after-calling-idris-elba-too-st.html

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Instead, Horowitz said, he can see Hustle's Adrian Lester as Bond.
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cisslybee2012
Sep 2 2015, 03:59 PM
But why does Bond have to be British?
Because he's MI-6.
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Sep 2 2015, 04:08 PM
cisslybee2012
Sep 2 2015, 03:59 PM
But why does Bond have to be British?
Because he's MI-6.
That has to remain.
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Sep 2 2015, 04:01 PM


I like Idris more than Adrian Lester.

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/entertainment-news/james-bond-author-apologizes-after-calling-idris-elba-too-st.html

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Instead, Horowitz said, he can see Hustle's Adrian Lester as Bond.
I don't see him as Bond, either.
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cisslybee2012
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Sep 2 2015, 04:21 PM
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Sep 2 2015, 04:08 PM
cisslybee2012
Sep 2 2015, 03:59 PM
But why does Bond have to be British?
Because he's MI-6.
That has to remain.
But why?

Why can't an American actor put on a British accent if necessary?

I mean,

Forest Whitaker is American but he put on a convincing African accent in his portrayal of Idi Amin.
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cisslybee2012
Sep 2 2015, 05:03 PM
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Sep 2 2015, 04:21 PM
VoiceofReason
Sep 2 2015, 04:08 PM
cisslybee2012
Sep 2 2015, 03:59 PM
But why does Bond have to be British?
Because he's MI-6.
That has to remain.
But why?

Why can't an American actor put on a British accent if necessary?

I mean,

Forest Whitaker is American but he put on a convincing African accent in his portrayal of Idi Amin.
I see what you mean.

If the actor can put on a convincing accent, and really captures the spirit of the character, then I would have no qualms.

Robert Downey Jr., an American, has played Sherlock Holmes in two feature films.

Henry Cavill, the current cinematic Superman, is British. He speaks with an American accent when in character.

Christian Bale, the previous cinematic Batman, is British. He speaks with an American accent when in character.
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Sep 2 2015, 03:46 PM
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Sep 2 2015, 03:15 PM
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Sep 2 2015, 01:53 PM
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Sep 2 2015, 12:58 PM
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Sep 2 2015, 12:39 PM
Isn't part of James Bond's appeal the fact that he can blend in anywhere? How would Idris, as a black Bond, blend in with the criminal element which is white? A spy or any person working undercover, has to blend in. Sorry, Idris.
For one, Idris has more than one accent. He has his natural British accent, an African accent, and an American accent. A good spy should be able to blend in. He has three continents with sizeable black populations he can operate in. He stands out due to his height & build, not so much his color, imo.

Be it fiction, or real life, good guys & bad guys come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and nationalities. This James Bond where being over the top stories are the norm. Bond being black would be one of the more subtle changes, I think.

I believe you saw the film Pacific Rim, where he was the leader in humanity's battle against the invading monsters. It was not about him being black. He was British in the film. He even had an adopted Asian daughter. None of that seemed preposterous in the story.

It was about his will to.....cancel the apocalypse.



I loved this scene, too. To be honest, I really did not like the film due to the boring protagonist. Idris carried this film.



still feel u looking at it the wrong way

richard roundtree will always be shaft
sean connery will always be james bond
idris will always be luther
tina turner will always be `proud Mary"

... certain acting parts and the actor how they fit will always leave a indelible memory of that character been played.. maybe mentally can never be replaced

.... but as of now clive is the nearest u might get to reproduce BOND{ i mean`t Sean Connery} not the succeeding counterfeits ..moore, bronson, lazenberg etc
I say no bueno to typecasting.
..typecasting and stereocasting

subtle but distinctly different

just saying

..HELL NO!!..

ain`t watching a white shaft in AFRICA

ps
... i mean tarzan did dat already :)



However, Shaft was specifically a black man.................... I am not sure if the ethnicity of James Bond was ever emphasized. AFAIK, the main thing was that Bond be British man of action which Idris excels at.
ok

let`s hear from writer ian fleming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond

Fleming decided that Bond should resemble both American singer Hoagy Carmichael and himself

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`` was not until the penultimate novel, You Only Live Twice, that Fleming gave Bond a sense of family background. The book was the first to be written after the release of Dr. No in cinemas and Sean Connery's depiction of Bond affected Fleming's interpretation of the character, to give Bond both a sense of humour and Scottish antecedents that were not present in the previous stories.[9] In a fictional obituary, purportedly published in The Times, Bond's parents were given as Andrew Bond, from the village of Glencoe, Scotland, and Monique Delacroix, from the canton of Vaud, Switzerland''


on the name:

``The name James Bond came from that of the American ornithologist James Bond, a Caribbean bird expert and author of the definitive field guide Birds of the West Indies. Fleming, a keen birdwatcher himself, had a copy of Bond's guide and he later explained to the ornithologist's wife that "It struck me that this brief, unromantic, Anglo-Saxon and yet very masculine name was just what I needed, and so a second James Bond was born"


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as i keep saying

james bond is well ...James bond

shaft is well shaft...

those guys above are unique in their own way.... color and everything
and let`s not get carried away about color Bronson and Samuel Jackson `murdered" that uniqueness despite same nationality and ethnicity

dr who... has the gift of metamorphosis .. so anybody with ``certain unique quirk" can be good enough

ps:

no i still won`t watch an Italian born in east -Harlem{yep quite some of those do exist} play a west- Harlem black mother....{shut your mouth}


Edited by beserker, Sep 2 2015, 05:38 PM.
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Sep 2 2015, 04:22 PM
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Sep 2 2015, 04:01 PM


I like Idris more than Adrian Lester.

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/entertainment-news/james-bond-author-apologizes-after-calling-idris-elba-too-st.html

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Instead, Horowitz said, he can see Hustle's Adrian Lester as Bond.
I don't see him as Bond, either.
horowitz`s rear horror !!


a black m16 with a license to kill and ..... dat look like u wanna find out ?


ps:

still a distractive come back `apology" though
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beserker
Sep 2 2015, 05:36 PM
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Sep 2 2015, 03:46 PM
beserker
Sep 2 2015, 03:15 PM
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Sep 2 2015, 01:55 PM
beserker
Sep 2 2015, 01:53 PM
Doctor Saul Santiago
Sep 2 2015, 12:58 PM
VoiceofReason
Sep 2 2015, 12:39 PM
Isn't part of James Bond's appeal the fact that he can blend in anywhere? How would Idris, as a black Bond, blend in with the criminal element which is white? A spy or any person working undercover, has to blend in. Sorry, Idris.
For one, Idris has more than one accent. He has his natural British accent, an African accent, and an American accent. A good spy should be able to blend in. He has three continents with sizeable black populations he can operate in. He stands out due to his height & build, not so much his color, imo.

Be it fiction, or real life, good guys & bad guys come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and nationalities. This James Bond where being over the top stories are the norm. Bond being black would be one of the more subtle changes, I think.

I believe you saw the film Pacific Rim, where he was the leader in humanity's battle against the invading monsters. It was not about him being black. He was British in the film. He even had an adopted Asian daughter. None of that seemed preposterous in the story.

It was about his will to.....cancel the apocalypse.



I loved this scene, too. To be honest, I really did not like the film due to the boring protagonist. Idris carried this film.



still feel u looking at it the wrong way

richard roundtree will always be shaft
sean connery will always be james bond
idris will always be luther
tina turner will always be `proud Mary"

... certain acting parts and the actor how they fit will always leave a indelible memory of that character been played.. maybe mentally can never be replaced

.... but as of now clive is the nearest u might get to reproduce BOND{ i mean`t Sean Connery} not the succeeding counterfeits ..moore, bronson, lazenberg etc
I say no bueno to typecasting.
..typecasting and stereocasting

subtle but distinctly different

just saying

..HELL NO!!..

ain`t watching a white shaft in AFRICA

ps
... i mean tarzan did dat already :)



However, Shaft was specifically a black man.................... I am not sure if the ethnicity of James Bond was ever emphasized. AFAIK, the main thing was that Bond be British man of action which Idris excels at.
ok

let`s hear from writer ian fleming

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond

Fleming decided that Bond should resemble both American singer Hoagy Carmichael and himself

Posted Image


`` was not until the penultimate novel, You Only Live Twice, that Fleming gave Bond a sense of family background. The book was the first to be written after the release of Dr. No in cinemas and Sean Connery's depiction of Bond affected Fleming's interpretation of the character, to give Bond both a sense of humour and Scottish antecedents that were not present in the previous stories.[9] In a fictional obituary, purportedly published in The Times, Bond's parents were given as Andrew Bond, from the village of Glencoe, Scotland, and Monique Delacroix, from the canton of Vaud, Switzerland''


on the name:

``The name James Bond came from that of the American ornithologist James Bond, a Caribbean bird expert and author of the definitive field guide Birds of the West Indies. Fleming, a keen birdwatcher himself, had a copy of Bond's guide and he later explained to the ornithologist's wife that "It struck me that this brief, unromantic, Anglo-Saxon and yet very masculine name was just what I needed, and so a second James Bond was born"


ps:

as i keep saying

james bond is well ...James bond

shaft is well shaft...

those guys above are unique in their own way.... color and everything
and let`s not get carried away about color Bronson and Samuel Jackson `murdered" that uniqueness despite same nationality and ethnicity

dr who... has the gift of metamorphosis .. so anybody with ``certain unique quirk" can be good enough

ps:

no i still won`t watch an Italian born in east -Harlem{yep quite some of those do exist} play a west- Harlem black mother....{shut your mouth}


Scotland has born & bred black folks. The subsequent Bond actors were not required to look like, nor have the exact same origins of the first interpretation of the character.
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