| Cancer Patients are losing their health insurance because of Obamacare | |
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| Mario | Mar 20 2014, 06:54 PM Post #31 |
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This health care law turned out to be worse than what you had before. |
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| Black Republican | Mar 21 2014, 01:26 AM Post #32 |
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Another sad story. Edited by Black Republican, Mar 21 2014, 01:26 AM.
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| Rick1 | Mar 21 2014, 08:54 AM Post #33 |
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Post ONE of the thousands of stories where Obamacare has helped or saved lives you fool. |
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| Plus 1 | Mar 22 2014, 02:47 PM Post #34 |
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There are positive stories for people who are using the Health Care Act. Some media never reports it, such a shame. |
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| Plus 1 | Mar 22 2014, 02:48 PM Post #35 |
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There are positive stories for people who are using the Health Care Act. Some media never reports it, such a shame. |
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| Snidely Whiplash | Mar 22 2014, 04:02 PM Post #36 |
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Sure there are some positive stories. Despite some bad things pre-obamacare, most americans were happy with their coverage and their healthcare. Heck, there are positive stories about WWII too. The bottom line is Americans oppose obamacare. It's been that way since day 1. Insurance rates are expected to double and triple in many areas. And there are the whole litany of issues with Obama's health insurance bailout that's been mentioned many times here. Regardless of where you side on the rhetoric, people are now experiencing obamacare. The 2014 elections will show how Americans feel about obamacare, and the politicians who supported it will be affected by their support of it. |
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| The SOLE Controller | Mar 22 2014, 05:02 PM Post #37 |
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Good point |
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| Plus 1 | Mar 22 2014, 06:21 PM Post #38 |
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Well yes, I see where you are coming from. There are always, two sides, to every story. My HMO wouldn't cover complications from my husband's accident that sprang up a year later. It was a pre existing condition. Now, it's covered. This helped us in many ways. Yes, insurance premiums are sky rocketing. I see that. Snidely, isn't that the fault of the insurance companies? Did Obama force them to do it? Arnt they simply out to get wealthy as pre Obama Care? By refusing to cover medical expenses due to the patient? Medical Care was not perfect before Obama and I know it still isn't perfect. How do we change it? What is the answer? In my line of work, I see more good coming from this than bad, I admit it. I'm not saying there isn't any bad. I'm saying over all, if the majority of citizens are being helped, how can that, be horrible? |
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| Vistor | Mar 22 2014, 06:40 PM Post #39 |
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I tinkk that it is a mixed bag. I don't see any reasonable consensus coming out of the Health Care Law. Especially, with so much it being politicized. For people that it COULD help, if they don't like President Obama, they will refuse to even consider it.
Edited by Vistor, Mar 22 2014, 06:41 PM.
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| Snidely Whiplash | Mar 22 2014, 07:52 PM Post #40 |
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The HIPPA law passed during the Clinton administration already covered this. Granted, it was poorly enforced but we didn't need obamacare for this. Just enforcement of existing law.
Well, the insurance companies are like all corporations, for profit businesses. If the government mandates they provide additional services, naturally the cost to the consumer will increase. If the government mandates McDonald's gives you fries with every purchase, they will not eat the additional cost. They will charge the consumer more. To your question about ins getting wealthy pre-obamacare, well yes. They are corporations and they are legally obliged to maximize profits. They are still getting wealthy under obamacare. In fact they get subsidies in the exiting law for at least a few years to maintain a certain amount of profitability. The answer, and Obama knew it and said so is single payer universal healthcare or simply medicare for all.
The only way to change it is to scrap obamacare, period. Then replace it with medicare for all. Now the real world problem is both parties and the courts want obamacare. The dems talk about single payer but in the years since obamacare they have done nothing in that direction. The establishment repubs like obamacare too despite protestation by the more conservative and tea party members. The reason? It's about more money for corporations, some of which gets funneled back into campaign coiffeurs. This has never been about healthcare, but mandating people buy health insurance thoughout their entire working lives from corporations. Remember, obamacare at it's core is of conservative republican origins. If Bush tried to pass it, he would have gotten heavy push back. Because however a dem proposed it, especially the first so-called black president, Obama supporters and the dem pols gave it a pass. In fact they cheerlead it. This despite public opposition to obamacare from day 1. Bottom line, I think we screwed not only ourselves but future generations with this Obama clusterfuck. The mandates and fees for noncompliance increase significantly in a few years. Those on the edge who don't qualify for subsidies or get very little but still don't make much will get hit hard. They essentially get junk plans. Plans with high copays and deductibles that effectively make the plans almost useless.
We'll have to see in the aggregate and that will be reflected in elections. Right now after a few months of obamacare, it's disapproval is as high as it's ever been. Perhaps you are seeing people who qualify for subsidies or Medicaid. However it will be basically cost shifting as we see it now with skyrocketing premiums. Edited by Snidely Whiplash, Mar 22 2014, 07:54 PM.
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