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Today. Obama went to bat for you, yep, today he met w/ Healthcare Provider Corp. CEO's
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Archaicwisdom
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Nov 16 2013, 01:42 PM
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not one insurance company opposed Obamacare.
Of course they're not. When a government mandates millions of new customers for you and will kick in billions to you for poor customers, what's to say no to. All along the idiot class cheer on obamacrap cause it's finally gonna get those wascally insurance companies. right. so insurance companies gain nothing from cancelling paying customers. they canceled those policies because Obama criminalized them. The REAL question is, what does Obama consider a "substandard" insurance plan? More, he needs to prove that the plans provided in the marketplace offer the same quality and quantity of services as previous plans. My current plan is the best in my state (save for dental,but most coverages have poor dental). there's is no doctor who will not accept my insurance. there is no shortage of specialists in my network. So when I go shopping for a more affordable plan as mine is astronomical, I expect the the marketplace to offer a comprable plan at a more affordable rate.
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Ether
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Nov 16 2013, 02:23 PM
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Yep. Your Healthcare Provider had their CEO present, as well, so why do you think he met with them? Was it to threaten their subsidies?...if they don't let you back into your old plan?
What if that's the case...do you then see what you're griping is merely self-serving and seeking no means for gain?
He met with them cause he lied and people (Democrat voters and Congressmen) called him to the carpet on it. He needs them to start offering those plans again that are now noncompliant.
Obama did not lie, he just didn't mention to the voters what THE INSURANCE COMPANIES COULD DO. People could keep their insurance. If was the insurance companies that chose to drop their customers because their healthcare plans didn't meet the new law requirements. THE INSURANCE COMPANIES KNEW WHAT THE LAW REQUIRED. WHY DIDN'T THEY TELL THE CUSTOMERS BEFORE OCTOBER 1.?
Yes, he lied. He knew people would be dropped whether they liked their insurance or not, but he chose to tell people they wouldn't. And now he's chosen to add a footnote to his statement. He was wrong, and he knows it.
THE INSURANCE COMPANIES DID NOT HAVE TO DROP THEIR CUSTOMERS. THEY CHOSE TO DO SO. The insurance companies collected the preminum payments from their clients knowing full well what the law required. The insurance companies took the money that was paid to them from their customers up until October 1, 2013 and THEN THEY DECIDED TO DROP THEIR CLIENTS. And then they want to blame Obamacare for the reason. That is not Obam's fault.
Obama and the insurance companies were working together, but the sh!t hit the fan, and Obama and the Dems are trying to put it completely on the insurance companies. Both are to blame.
I agree with you, Obama and the insurance companies were working together and the insurance companies that LEAN REPUBLICAN and most businesses do, screwed Obama in the back. IT'S POLITICS AT IT'S FINEST.By dropping their customers who had shitty healthcare plans so that they didn't have to comply with the law, the insurance companies underminded Obama. And they did it on behalf of the republicans. The thing that compounded the issues was the website not working properly for the people to see what their options are. You along with most of the people on here fail to realize that THE MAJORITY of people are not affected by what the insurance companies did.
Both Obama and the insurance companies are at fault. If the insurance companies truly cared about their customer they would of easily contacted them via email, number mail just as they so when you don't pay your bill or when they are ready to take your money. Obama knew what he was getting into.... One thing for sure I can agree with with whoz, let's stop acting like so many people are affected by this. And judging by people's viewpoints, the people that are affected by it are people you probably gave no shit about anyway. Those people aren't important to you up until they can be used to fit your political agenda
I'd argue that insurance companies are in business to make a profit. It's the President who should feel more obligated to tell everyone the WHOLE truth. I blame him more than the insurance companies. He knew people would lose their insurance regardless of whether they liked it or not. It may not impact many people. I don't know if that's true or not. To me, it seems like it does. It impacted enough people to make the Dems call a meeting with him to go over the next steps. It got him to the podium and it got him to meet with the insurance companies. I blame Obama for that aswell. But let's not act like it's just his fault. Let's not act insurance companies completely used this as an excuse as they fucked over people.
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So you and wtg casually dismiss the people affected, ok.
I don't casually dismiss shit. The people on the bottom are the ones affected by this and nobody gives a damn about them up until it fits their political agenda
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Nov 16 2013, 02:29 PM
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That's kind of the point of BUSINESS...to profit. This in turn creates opportunity. Insurance companies in Switerzandl for example are not allowed to profit from primary insurance, just supplmental insurance, which few buy. How many opportunities do you think that creates?
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Nov 16 2013, 03:56 PM
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- Nov 16 2013, 03:25 AM
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- Nov 16 2013, 12:53 AM
- U Thant
- Nov 15 2013, 06:49 PM
Yep. Your Healthcare Provider had their CEO present, as well, so why do you think he met with them? Was it to threaten their subsidies?...if they don't let you back into your old plan?
What if that's the case...do you then see what you're griping is merely self-serving and seeking no means for gain?
He met with them cause he lied and people (Democrat voters and Congressmen) called him to the carpet on it. He needs them to start offering those plans again that are now noncompliant.
Obama did not lie, he just didn't mention to the voters what THE INSURANCE COMPANIES COULD DO. People could keep their insurance. If was the insurance companies that chose to drop their customers because their healthcare plans didn't meet the new law requirements. THE INSURANCE COMPANIES KNEW WHAT THE LAW REQUIRED. WHY DIDN'T THEY TELL THE CUSTOMERS BEFORE OCTOBER 1.?
Yes, he lied. He knew people would be dropped whether they liked their insurance or not, but he chose to tell people they wouldn't. And now he's chosen to add a footnote to his statement. He was wrong, and he knows it.
THE INSURANCE COMPANIES DID NOT HAVE TO DROP THEIR CUSTOMERS. THEY CHOSE TO DO SO. The insurance companies collected the preminum payments from their clients knowing full well what the law required. The insurance companies took the money that was paid to them from their customers up until October 1, 2013 and THEN THEY DECIDED TO DROP THEIR CLIENTS. And then they want to blame Obamacare for the reason. That is not Obam's fault.
Obama and the insurance companies were working together, but the sh!t hit the fan, and Obama and the Dems are trying to put it completely on the insurance companies. Both are to blame.
I agree with you, Obama and the insurance companies were working together and the insurance companies that LEAN REPUBLICAN and most businesses do, screwed Obama in the back. IT'S POLITICS AT IT'S FINEST.By dropping their customers who had shitty healthcare plans so that they didn't have to comply with the law, the insurance companies underminded Obama. And they did it on behalf of the republicans. The thing that compounded the issues was the website not working properly for the people to see what their options are. You along with most of the people on here fail to realize that THE MAJORITY of people are not affected by what the insurance companies did.
Both Obama and the insurance companies are at fault. If the insurance companies truly cared about their customer they would of easily contacted them via email, number mail just as they so when you don't pay your bill or when they are ready to take your money. Obama knew what he was getting into.... One thing for sure I can agree with with whoz, let's stop acting like so many people are affected by this. And judging by people's viewpoints, the people that are affected by it are people you probably gave no shit about anyway. Those people aren't important to you up until they can be used to fit your political agenda
I'd argue that insurance companies are in business to make a profit. It's the President who should feel more obligated to tell everyone the WHOLE truth. I blame him more than the insurance companies. He knew people would lose their insurance regardless of whether they liked it or not. It may not impact many people. I don't know if that's true or not. To me, it seems like it does. It impacted enough people to make the Dems call a meeting with him to go over the next steps. It got him to the podium and it got him to meet with the insurance companies.
I blame Obama for that aswell. But let's not act like it's just his fault. Let's not act insurance companies completely used this as an excuse as they fucked over people. - Quote:
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So you and wtg casually dismiss the people affected, ok.
I don't casually dismiss shit. The people on the bottom are the ones affected by this and nobody gives a damn about them up until it fits their political agenda
I blame Obama more, but never did I dismiss the insurance companies. I said both were to blame.
However, they're just being a business. A lot of businesses screw people over in the name of profits. I expect no better from them. And Obama got in bed with them? That was his bad decision. They were working together and the deal went sour.
I didn't make the comment about you dismissing anyone though.
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Nov 16 2013, 04:00 PM
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However, they're just being a business. A lot of businesses screw people over in the name of profits
And Obama is a politician, he is just being a politician. A lot of politicians screw over people in the name of politics
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Nov 16 2013, 04:42 PM
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However, they're just being a business. A lot of businesses screw people over in the name of profits
And Obama is a politician, he is just being a politician. A lot of politicians screw over people in the name of politics So both are doing what they do. I get that, and I agree with that.
The only difference is that one is supposed to be accountable to me and you. The other is not expected to. One is supposed to represent me and you and have our best interest at heart at all times. The other is accountable only to themselves and their shareholders. This is why I blame Obama more than I blame the insurance companies.
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Nov 16 2013, 05:42 PM
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The health insurance companies financed Obama, and they wrote most of the health care bill. They went to the white house to met with Obama to find out why they are not getting all of the new customers that Obama said that they were going to get. And your proof is where?
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Nov 16 2013, 05:54 PM
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not one insurance company opposed Obamacare.
Of course they're not. When a government mandates millions of new customers for you and will kick in billions to you for poor customers, what's to say no to. All along the idiot class cheer on obamacrap cause it's finally gonna get those wascally insurance companies.
right. so insurance companies gain nothing from cancelling paying customers. they canceled those policies because Obama criminalized them. The REAL question is, what does Obama consider a "substandard" insurance plan? More, he needs to prove that the plans provided in the marketplace offer the same quality and quantity of services as previous plans. My current plan is the best in my state (save for dental,but most coverages have poor dental). there's is no doctor who will not accept my insurance. there is no shortage of specialists in my network. So when I go shopping for a more affordable plan as mine is astronomical, I expect the the marketplace to offer a comprable plan at a more affordable rate. The Repub's knew what they were doing when they wrote the damn Bill. Why do you think they want to crush it? So they can re-write the entire Bill and get all the credit for their party. Is that so hard to see. They are allowing the media to rip him because they designed the whole thing this way. ALL Bills originate in the House of Reps, so how these people get it that the whole thing is the Pres. fault is totally irrational to me.
The Insurance Co's don't care one way or the other unless they see the bottom line taking on a red hue....then we will know exactly what has been going on. Cancelling policies was the last paw print in the scheme. And they didn't have a choice because they would have to issue more benefits than previously. Everybody that's bitching knows that's true. They do not want to cover pre-existing conditions or anything else they have been able to deny in the past. Change for the Insurance Co's actually means the entire Medical industry must also make some changes.....and that's a no, no ............right.
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The Repub's knew what they were doing when they wrote the damn Bill. Why do you think they want to crush it? So they can re-write the entire Bill and get all the credit for their party. What Bill are you referring to mimi?
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However, they're just being a business. A lot of businesses screw people over in the name of profits
And Obama is a politician, he is just being a politician. A lot of politicians screw over people in the name of politics
So both are doing what they do. I get that, and I agree with that. The only difference is that one is supposed to be accountable to me and you. The other is not expected to. One is supposed to represent me and you and have our best interest at heart at all times. The other is accountable only to themselves and their shareholders. This is why I blame Obama more than I blame the insurance companies. Since when has any politician had out best interest in mind? When has any politician looked out for the people and not himself? Which America do you live in, LB?
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