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I need to know....; For the cheerleaders of justice
Topic Started: Jul 17 2013, 11:50 PM (630 Views)
Ether

I have watched a few of you here say things like...

"Our justice system"
"Jsutice this, constitution that.... rah rah rah for our justice system"

And the same people who say that make excuses for the unfair treatment of blacks and our justice system.
Without coming in this thread with your dancing shoes and not addressing shit. Could you tell me how you believe our justice system is right and fair when...

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Marissa Alexander unsuccessfully tried to use Florida's controversial "stand your ground" law to derail the prosecution, but a jury in March convicted her of aggravated assault after just 12 minutes of deliberation.

The case, which was prosecuted by the same state attorney who is handling the Trayvon Martin case, has gained the attention of civil rights leaders who say the African-American woman was persecuted because of her race.

After the sentencing, Rep. Corrine Brown confronted State Attorney Angela Corey in the hallway, accusing her of being overzealous, according to video from CNN affiliate WJXT.

"There is no justification for 20 years," Brown told Corey during an exchange frequently interrupted by onlookers. "All the community was asking for was mercy and justice," she said.

Corey said she had offered Alexander a plea bargain that would have resulted in a three-year prison sentence, but Alexander chose to take the case to a jury trial, where a conviction would carry a mandatory sentence under a Florida law known as "10-20-life."



'Stand your ground' plea rejected
The law mandates increased penalties for some felonies, including aggravated assault, in which a gun is carried or used.

Corey said the case deserved to be prosecuted because Alexander fired in the direction of a room where two children were standing.

Alexander said she was attempting to flee her husband, Rico Gray, on August 1, 2010, when she picked up a handgun and fired a shot into a wall.

She said her husband had read cell phone text messages that she had written to her ex-husband, got angry and tried to strangle her.

She said she escaped and ran to the garage, intending to drive away. But, she said, she forgot her keys, so she picked up her gun and went back into the house. She said her husband threatened to kill her, so she fired one shot.

"I believe when he threatened to kill me, that's what he was absolutely going to do," she said. "That's what he intended to do. Had I not discharged my weapon at that point, I would not be here."

Alexander's attorneys tried to use the state law that allows people to use potentially deadly force anywhere they feel reasonably threatened with serious harm or death.



They claimed its because her children were in the home and she endangered her kids.


Mark Garegos defended the same type of trial with a 40 year old white woman. Same incident and she got off.....
So how can you all say justice in this country is fair??? Im really curious as to what you believe...do you believe blacks are treated equal??



Yes we can do what we can to stay out of trouble. We can work on ourselves.....but this woman has no criminal background. This is her first offense....she was in her OWN home. And the husband admitted he was going to hit her...he said

"If my kids weren't there I was going to try to get the gun out of her hand....put my hands on her"


12 minutes....bam 20 years. The fuck?



So how are you guys so cheerful and confident of our fair justice system?


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The decision sucks but the legality behind it was already explained. Searching for that explanation and reposting it won't do either of us any good.

"Same type of trial" is a real simple understanding. You'd have to present all the facts, then I'd have to search down the rest of facts that don't support your simple understanding, and explain the differences. It wouldn't do either of us any good.
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She like Zim was tried by a jury of her peers as the constitution mandates. Juries are tasked with making a decision based on evidence presented at trial. Since I nor you was at either of three trials, it's not up to me to say whether either outcome was fair or not. In fact Cray let me give you an example. I was on a trial 2 years ago. A korean store owner was robbed at gunpoint. He had a camera system in his store but it was an old system. The video of the camera footage showed a guy(black) pointing a gun at him demanding money and then running out of the store. The store owner was an eyewitness at trial. So was an officer who had run ins with the guy before. The guy shown on the video fit the description of the accused. Same height, same skin tone, same hairstyle. The store owner identified him from the video, so did the officer . However the video was pretty grainy so you couldn't see his face clearly. During deliberations, all of us felt that the guy was guilty as sin, but because we couldn't positively identify the guy with the video,so we voted not guilty. The evidence simply wasn't there.
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Jul 19 2013, 12:02 AM
... the legality behind it was already explained. Searching for that explanation and reposting it won't do either of us any good.

... It wouldn't do either of us any good.
"...When justice is racially-flawed and discriminatory then We The People have a responsibility to Democracy's social contract, to find the culprit..."
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Jul 19 2013, 12:02 AM
The decision sucks but the legality behind it was already explained. Searching for that explanation and reposting it won't do either of us any good.

"Same type of trial" is a real simple understanding. You'd have to present all the facts, then I'd have to search down the rest of facts that don't support your simple understanding, and explain the differences. It wouldn't do either of us any good.
Are you seriously saying its ok for the rules to change by person.

A woman in her home getting beat. Ran into her garage and couldn't get out......she grabbed her gun and fired a warning shot. She killed no one.....she hurt no one......she has no criminal background. She was in her property.....

So you are saying she got her fair justice like everyone else here?




We won't debate this one too much, for I don't have to,e for the dance deflect game. But if one race serves 20% more in time vs everyone else for the same crime.....are you saying that out justice system is fair??
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Jul 19 2013, 10:49 AM
She like Zim was tried by a jury of her peers as the constitution mandates. Juries are tasked with making a decision based on evidence presented at trial. Since I nor you was at either of three trials, it's not up to me to say whether either outcome was fair or not. In fact Cray let me give you an example. I was on a trial 2 years ago. A korean store owner was robbed at gunpoint. He had a camera system in his store but it was an old system. The video of the camera footage showed a guy(black) pointing a gun at him demanding money and then running out of the store. The store owner was an eyewitness at trial. So was an officer who had run ins with the guy before. The guy shown on the video fit the description of the accused. Same height, same skin tone, same hairstyle. The store owner identified him from the video, so did the officer . However the video was pretty grainy so you couldn't see his face clearly. During deliberations, all of us felt that the guy was guilty as sin, but because we couldn't positively identify the guy with the video,so we voted not guilty. The evidence simply wasn't there.
So did his woman get her fair rights...did the constitution serve her fairly?

I'm not asking you did she get the fair amount of jurors....I'm not asking you did she a trial too. I'm not asking you did she get chance to speak her side....


Did she and the black men who are proven to serve more time than others get equal justice like the constitution mandates?
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Cray...

The replies you got here so far, are examples, of why we must continually press the US-DOJ until Zimmerman is charged. This travesty onto Justice during that trial, isn't the problem here;


It's the amount of citizens who cheered it on! They my friend, are the true destroyers of Democracy.
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Could you tell me how you believe our justice system is right and fair


Maybe you'll have to elaborate further? Who has made these claims? Is it because, you don't like what some has to say, therefore, you interpret it as this?

Melissa Anthony verdict from jury:

"there is insufficient evidence that the Defendant reasonably believed deadly force was needed to prevent death or great bodily harm to herself," and that the fact that she came back into the home, instead of leaving out the front or back door "is inconsistent with a person who is in genuine fear for her life."

SYG in Flordia:

"A stand-your-ground law is a type self-defense law that gives individuals the right to use reasonable force to defend themselves without any requirement to evade or retreat from a dangerous situation"

Now, you will have to show the correlation...

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She said she escaped and ran to the garage, intending to drive away. But, she said, she forgot her keys, so she picked up her gun and went back into the house. She said her husband threatened to kill her, so she fired one shot.

"I believe when he threatened to kill me, that's what he was absolutely going to do," she said. "That's what he intended to do. Had I not discharged my weapon at that point, I would not be here."


You see that words, 'escape' 'intending' and then 'but' 'picked up' and 'went back' into a dangerous situation......Now, you will show us, where's the fear?




They claimed its because her children were in the home and she endangered her kids.

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Same incident and she got off.


What incident, and just show us, don't just say it, show the correlation...

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So how can you all say justice in this country is fair???


Again, who's said this?

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Im really curious as to what you believe...do you believe blacks are treated equal??


In the real world, no one is equal. So why would anyone assume in the criminal world, they would get equality?

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Yes we can do what we can to stay out of trouble
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Spread the word...

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So how are you guys so cheerful and confident of our fair justice system?


Again, who said this? Just because someone understands the rules, and how the game is played, doesn't mean, they are in denial of the game....
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Jul 19 2013, 10:49 AM
I was on a trial 2 years ago. A korean store owner was robbed at gunpoint. He had a camera system in his store but it was an old system. The video of the camera footage showed a guy(black) pointing a gun at him demanding money and then running out of the store. The store owner was an eyewitness at trial. So was an officer who had run ins with the guy before. The guy shown on the video fit the description of the accused. Same height, same skin tone, same hairstyle. The store owner identified him from the video, so did the officer . However the video was pretty grainy so you couldn't see his face clearly. During deliberations, all of us felt that the guy was guilty as sin, but because we couldn't positively identify the guy with the video,so we voted not guilty. The evidence simply wasn't there.
Did the Korean community accuse you all of being racist dumb asses? Did the Koreans riot? Run around like idiots yelling racial slurs?
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