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NEWSFLASH: Eric Holder announces the pursuit of Hate-Crime charges VS Zimmerman
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kennyinbmore
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Ether
Jul 16 2013, 10:59 AM
How do you guys figure they were irrelevant though?


Why not question Zimmerman on why he needed to lie period if he was simply defending himself?

Why not question how he got that gun from behind his back?

Why not ask the same question whoopi Goldberg asked o'mara?
Why not ask why did you lie about SYG which is what they tried to shove down everyone's throat as to why he was killed?
Why not ask about his fuzzy memory on different stories of what happened?

Why not ask about trayvons body wasn't near concrete? Yet he said trayvon said "you got me" and fell over? Remember trayvon was beating his head in the concrete when he shot him. How is that not relevant?





How is trayvons past school behavior relevant? How is trayvons text messages about a fight with someone else in Miami relevant? How is trayvon holding a gun in a picture that wasn't taken that night relevant?
You can question whatever you want, but that doesn't equal proof of anything that happened that night which is the burden the state had. And as far as I know Zimmerman didn't take the stand so he couldn't be asked anything. For the record I also believed TM's past was equally as irrelevant to what happened that night
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kennyinbmore
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Jul 16 2013, 11:02 AM
Ether
Jul 16 2013, 10:59 AM

Why not question Zimmerman on why he needed to lie period if he was simply defending himself?

Why not question how he got that gun from behind his back?

Man, stop! You're making too much sense, you're sounding like a reasonable human being...you know those 2 hate that!!


ROFL
Hey genius, Zimmerman didn't take the stand, he couldn't be asked anything
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You can question whatever you want and disregard whatever dishonesty of Zimmerman's that you want, it still won't make Eric Holder come out today/announce that Zimmerman won't be charged afterall.
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kennyinbmore
Jul 16 2013, 11:08 AM
U Thant
Jul 16 2013, 11:02 AM
Ether
Jul 16 2013, 10:59 AM

Why not question Zimmerman on why he needed to lie period if he was simply defending himself?

Why not question how he got that gun from behind his back?

Man, stop! You're making too much sense, you're sounding like a reasonable human being...you know those 2 hate that!!


ROFL
Hey genius, Zimmerman didn't take the stand, he couldn't be asked anything
hey non-genius, he didn't have to take the stand to be shown as a liar. He's already given his recounts and they all differ from each other-----it's not Trayvon's fault bcuz a racist Prosecutor didn't make light of that. But, US-DOJ will!
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Hahaha get that shit out of here. Open mind?


Open mind implies that you will forgo all conclusions you made, and based your opinion solely on what the prosecution offers as evidence. You did not do this, you convicted GZ...just say, yes I did, and I don't like it when, a white person does it to a black person..

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I have an open mind to know the wrongs on both sides and unlike you I didn't ignore the obvious lies by GZ that were in every news outlet yet never touched in court.


Now again, obvious lies....I ignore. Just as the prosecution's medical examiner 'changed' his testimony (lies), are you saying, this proves GZ innocence? What lies were presented in the trial? Not what you've heard, but presented in the trial?

Separate the two...

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First off.....if the same situation happened the way it did. If a black GZ called 911. Same witnesses, same weather, Sam gun.....this crime would not get so much media attention and they would of convicted the black man. He probably would have a trial and then quickly sentenced with a slight overcharge in sentencing.


Then give me the exact same situation, exact same result, etc.....Please stop with the 'everybody hates black men' mantra....

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If trayvon was a white boy, same call, same witnesses etc. it would get more media attention, not as much as black GZ and black TM but it would get attention even that the black robber who beat that women in NJ. He would of been arrested that night. Trial. Quick sentencing, instant sentencing and an extreme overcharge in sentencing. There would be no self defense, there would be no arrest month later, no donations or interviews to plead your case.


More of the 'what if's.....This trial, this evidence, these men, GZ/TM...

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Unlike you I know...

Only way there will be no arrest is if TM was just shot, no prior 911 call. Just another nigger found dead. And you know what? They will automatically call that a black on black murder. And throw it in he stats.
I wouldn't be surprised if a good amount in those black on black stats was just labeled black on black because they found a nigger dead. It would be just another gang banger found dead.


Are these the same 'nigga's UTB speaks of? I can't tell the difference...Tell me, what are the circumstances when a black man kills another black man? Are they usually on the phone with the police?

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come on now redd


Am I to assume, black criminals call the police, at the same rate as white criminals? In profiling, when planning to slay (murder) this innocent young man, GZ plotted all of the beforehand? He staged the fight, ran into a tree, and broke his own nose, all the while, he had already killed TM, and moved his body on top of him, then start calling for help? Wait, that was TM...no it couldn't be him, GZ had already killed him...If so, then they should have charged him with murder 1...

Ok, now explain the situation again? Give me your version, not based off any evidence, but your past history of how blacks gets treated, give me what TM was doing this fateful nite?






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I think they could've laid out a pattern:


George Zimmerman's History of 911 Calls on Black Men

A 48-page document released online by the city of Sanford, Florida shows George Zimmerman's extensive history of 911 calls, according to Mother Jones.

The document also details Zimmerman's obsessions with law and order and black males who were walking around his apartment complex throughout his numerous 911 calls.

Just last month, before Zimmerman's murder of the unarmed, 17-year-old teenager Trayvon Martin, he made a 911 call about a black man walking around his complex "suspiciously" on February 2nd in a leather jacket near one of his neighbor's housing units. Police responded to the call but failed to find the alleged suspect, and the unit was unharmed.

In late 2011, Zimmerman also made several phone calls telling a 911 dispatcher that he saw suspicious black males in the neighborhood who may be responsible for the recent break-ins in the apartment complex.

In the call logs, Zimmerman said, "Juveniles are the subjects who have been [burglarizing] in this area." In another call he said, "Complainant believes subject is involved in recent S-21s"—break-ins—"in the neighborhood," the call log states.

Zimmerman has also made numerous phone calls reporting children playing in his neighborhood, and about "suspicious" vehicles driving slowly through his neighborhood.

Many of his calls had to do with minute offenses such as the following: a male driving with no headlights; a yellow speedbike popping wheelies on I-4; an aggressive white-and-brown pitbull; an Orange County municipal pickup cutting people off on the road; and loud parties.

You can view the 48-page document here.

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None of that has anything to do with what happened that night when the two of them were face to face. If Zimmerman just hated blacks and wanted to kill a black person he could have done that from a distance and not called 911 before the confrontation. I still don't see a hate crime conviction from calls to police.
As I said, I wish him luck.
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Jul 16 2013, 11:16 AM
I think they could've laid out a pattern:


George Zimmerman's History of 911 Calls on Black Men

A 48-page document released online by the city of Sanford, Florida shows George Zimmerman's extensive history of 911 calls, according to Mother Jones.

The document also details Zimmerman's obsessions with law and order and black males who were walking around his apartment complex throughout his numerous 911 calls.

Just last month, before Zimmerman's murder of the unarmed, 17-year-old teenager Trayvon Martin, he made a 911 call about a black man walking around his complex "suspiciously" on February 2nd in a leather jacket near one of his neighbor's housing units. Police responded to the call but failed to find the alleged suspect, and the unit was unharmed.

In late 2011, Zimmerman also made several phone calls telling a 911 dispatcher that he saw suspicious black males in the neighborhood who may be responsible for the recent break-ins in the apartment complex.

In the call logs, Zimmerman said, "Juveniles are the subjects who have been [burglarizing] in this area." In another call he said, "Complainant believes subject is involved in recent S-21s"—break-ins—"in the neighborhood," the call log states.

Zimmerman has also made numerous phone calls reporting children playing in his neighborhood, and about "suspicious" vehicles driving slowly through his neighborhood.

Many of his calls had to do with minute offenses such as the following: a male driving with no headlights; a yellow speedbike popping wheelies on I-4; an aggressive white-and-brown pitbull; an Orange County municipal pickup cutting people off on the road; and loud parties.

You can view the 48-page document here.

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Kenny? reddgirl?


...sound like a guy who The Fed will have a problem painting as a racist???


LOLOL


...plus...


throw in his dispatch verbiage...it's a wrap!
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reddgirl64

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How do you guys figure they were irrelevant though?


For the very last time, trials are based off evidence, testimony, DNA, etc....not how you feel, what you think, or how you see society.. and no, don't say you know this, because you're still asking questions, that were not part of the trial...

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Why not question Zimmerman on why he needed to lie period if he was simply defending himself?


See point proven. GZ did not take the stand, so you can't ask him this question. So who are you asking this question too? One of the witnesses of the prosecution? Which one can speak on what's in GZ's mind?

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Why not question how he got that gun from behind his back?


It's not the job of GZ to answer your questions, its the job of the prosecution to show, beyond a reasonable doubt, GZ intended to kill TM. And again, who are you going to ask this question too? The state's own medical examiner changed his testimony. He said, TM could have lived up to 10 mins after getting shot in the heart. He said that TM could have been affected by the drugs in his system..Are these lies that you believe?

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Why not ask the same question whoopi Goldberg asked o'mara?


Because courts have protocol...

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Why not ask why did you lie about SYG which is what they tried to shove down everyone's throat as to why he was killed


GZ pleaded self defense, not SYG. Whether he knew it or not, is irrelevant to the case. His team (defense team) went in another direction brilliant strategy.
Why not ask about his fuzzy memory on different stories of what happened?

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Why not ask about trayvons body wasn't near concrete? Yet he said trayvon said "you got me" and fell over? Remember trayvon was beating his head in the concrete when he shot him. How is that not relevant?


Yes, why didn't the prosecution ask these questions? Their medical examiner stated that, if you believe him, TM could have lived up to 10 minutes after being shot. Could TM said, you got me?

If my head hit the concrete one time, just once, I'm blasting TM. You and others, will continue to allow TM to hit your head. That's you, but you cannot tell GZ what he should of done....

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How is trayvons past school behavior relevant? How is trayvons text messages about a fight with someone else in Miami relevant? How is trayvon holding a gun in a picture that wasn't taken that night relevant?


How? When a defendant pleads self defense, they are allowed to bring in the past history of the victim. That's why the defense did not use SYG, but self defense. The judge in this case, allowed only a certain bit of either side's history to be brought in. It was up to the judge, as to what to allow...
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kennyinbmore
Jul 16 2013, 11:21 AM
None of that has anything to do with what happened that night when the two of them were face to face. If Zimmerman just hated blacks and wanted to kill a black person he could have done that from a distance and not called 911 before the confrontation. I still don't see a hate crime conviction from calls to police.
As I said, I wish him luck.
I just don't get, what they are not understanding about how the system works? What is allowed, what's not, etc.....

I will continue to let them vent, and give them about a month, before they forget about TM, and move on to something else....
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