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BREAKING NEWS: guess what the Zimmerman jury just asked the Judge?!!
Topic Started: Jul 13 2013, 06:33 PM (3,838 Views)
Hazeshawn
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Jul 14 2013, 03:54 PM
There were no blacks on the Jury.
No shit Einstein! ^o)
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Jul 14 2013, 04:13 PM
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Jul 14 2013, 03:54 PM
There were no blacks on the Jury.
No shit Einstein! ^o)
Why were there no blacks on the Jury, are there no blacks in that town? If a black person was in the ROOM, we might know what the other jurors were saying.
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Everybody and they momma know that Zimmerman can't go back to how he was before he shot a defenseless Black kid.

Even Zimmerman knows that. Bet money this guy is going back into hiding as soon as possible.
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Jul 14 2013, 04:19 PM
Everybody and they momma know that Zimmerman can't go back to how he was before he shot a defenseless Black kid.

Even Zimmerman knows that. Bet money this guy is going back into hiding as soon as possible.
You fucc lump, this ain't about Zimmerman now. So get that Cray-racism out of here.

It's now about, a verdict, which sent a msg to AmeriKKKa that it is okay to stalk, pusue, and murder unarmed Black males----as long as you be sure to leave, no witnesses.


Wake your lame azz, alert Black males in your community. Teach them, America hath declared war on them----just like when it was faddish the last time;

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Jul 14 2013, 05:26 PM
T.I.M.
Jul 14 2013, 04:19 PM
Everybody and they momma know that Zimmerman can't go back to how he was before he shot a defenseless Black kid.

Even Zimmerman knows that. Bet money this guy is going back into hiding as soon as possible.
You fucc lump, this ain't about Zimmerman now. So get that Cray-racism out of here.

It's now about, a verdict, which sent a msg to AmeriKKKa that it is okay to stalk, pusue, and murder unarmed Black males----as long as you be sure to leave, no witnesses.


Wake your lame azz, alert Black males in your community. Teach them, America hath declared war on them----just like when it was faddish the last time;

All blacks or just dark skinned ones,?

Since you said this is an attack on dark skinned males?
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Affinity what activity did made trayvon look suspicious
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It happens that way more often than not. When it happens that way no one makes a big deal out of it.
...but in the events when it doesn't happen, there's nothing wrong with the impacted person(s) speaking up for themselves.

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I do my best to stay outside the justice system because of what can happen. The system is among the best in the world. Unfortunately not all the people in the system are good people.

No, I'm saying you sound like you are outside of the black community, looking in. Most people on this board sound like black people who steer clear of the justice system. It's best to keep from getting arrested, but in the event that you do, it's not too much to ask that you're treated the way your white counterparts are treated. We have the best system, but it's not perfect.


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Jul 14 2013, 06:22 PM
Affinity what activity did made trayvon look suspicious
GZ's reasons for suspecting TM are clearly stated in the 911 transcript and none of them have anything to do with race.
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Jul 14 2013, 10:08 PM
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It happens that way more often than not. When it happens that way no one makes a big deal out of it.
...but in the events when it doesn't happen, there's nothing wrong with the impacted person(s) speaking up for themselves.
Agreed - those who are victimized by the mistakes of our justice system should speak up.

Why are outcomes only perceived to effect all blacks when the outcome doesn't favor a black? Why do we never hear about the proper outcomes? It almost seems like people focus on the bad outcomes as an excuse for their self-destructive behavior. It's as if a collect voice is saying, "This is just more evidence of the man holding ME back. There's no use even trying because the moment I get off the bottom rung of society's ladder the man will be there to knock me down."
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Jul 14 2013, 10:20 PM


Why are outcomes only perceived to effect all blacks when the outcome doesn't favor a black?
Question: Why do so many black Americans experience discrimination today after so much progress in civil rights reform over the last four decades?

Skinner: African Americans made the mistake of buying the message of "the American melting pot under God." African Americans did not realize that America did not intend to include them in that idea. So while the civil rights laws of the 1980s were passed, they never passed in the hearts and intent of the American people.

African Americans let the white majority into their political and economic lives without whites letting African Americans into their lives. Until African Americans build their own economic base by doing at least 35 percent of their business with one another, and saving and investing their money in their own community, the discrimination will never end, Until African Americans elect to public office people who are accountable to the African American community, the discrimination will never end.

Question: But what about changes in the law—after Supreme Court decisions such as Brown vs. Board of Education? Didn't those make it possible for you to begin entering fully into the American mainstream?

Skinner: There were only three major Supreme Court decisions that affected African Americans. The first one was Dred Scott, 1857. It said black people have no rights that white people are bound to respect. The next decision was Plessy v. Ferguson, 1896: separate but equal. Third was Brown v. Board of Education, 1954, saying that there should be integration with all due deliberate speed. The only one of those three decisions that America has ever obeyed is Dred Scott—that black folks have no rights which white people are bound to respect. They never obeyed the others. Rather than empowering themselves, African Americans pursued the illusive dream of integration, and it is destroying us.

Question: Why?

Skinner: Under segregation we built and were in charge of our own institutions. We ran our own schools, built our own banks, and started our own colleges. Under segregation we did not have to use words like "role models" because that's what everyone was in the African American community. In my neighborhood, Duke Ellington, James Baldwin, Thurgood Marshall, Adam Clayton Powell, Jr., Malcolm X, Jackie Robinson were everyday common occurrences on our streets. When integration came, it meant that that those who could afford it and qualified were integrated into white society, while the rest stayed behind. Thus we needed role models. When integration occurred, the black leaders of the black community integrated into the white community. But they were never allowed to hold the same positions of leadership and power that they held in the black community.

Question: Whose idea was integration?

Skinner: Integration has always been a white liberal idea. Integration has always been on white people's terms. It is black folks integrating into white churches, white schools, and white neighborhoods. It is never whites attending black colleges, joining black churches, and moving into black neighborhoods, except to move blacks out. The assumption was that black folks would step up by integrating into white society and the whites would step down by integrating into black society.

Question: But why did white leaders want to integrate blacks into white America?

Skinner: The African Americans who influence and provide leadership for the black community did most of the integrating. Integration allowed white society to pacify and control African American leaders and reap the lion's share of African American dollars through trade.

Question: But didn't we also want to help blacks?

Skinner: The question is, how did you want to help blacks' After 40 years of white help, no African American is qualified to be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company. After 40 years of integration, no African American is qualified to be the president of a major Christian college in America. After 40 years of white help, African Americans are excluded from the faculty throughout the disciplines of most academic institutions. White people in America still don't know black people. Your Christian periodicals do not tell you of the activity of the Holy Spirit among black people. Your lack of demand for such information helps to create the problem.

Question: But do you know white people?

Skinner: In order to put dinner on my family's table I have to be an expert on white society. I cannot graduate from school without reading white people's literature, studying white people's music and art. I cannot make it without understanding white people's history. Every day that an African American wakes up he has to make judgments about what white people are going to do today simply in order to survive. White people do not have to understand or know what black people are doing in order to survive.

As a result of our expertise on white folks we know them better than they know themselves. In addition, the sad fact is that we know white people better than we know ourselves. We have a far greater capacity as African Americans to love and forgive white people than we do to love and forgive ourselves. We have not made white people the enemy in spite of all that they have inflicted on us. But you keep locking us out.

Comment: I agree with you that the idea of integration behind Brown vs. Board of Education implied that black people couldn't make it on their own—that they couldn't really be human until they were integrated into white America.

Skinner: African Americans once believed the integrationist idea. We traded our independence because we thought the American integrationist dream was a reality. It turned out to be a lie. Now African Americans will have to empower themselves. African Americans will have to take charge of the 300(r) billion dollars that they spend within America on a current annual basis. They will have to take charge of the political process of their own communities. African Americans must take charge of their destiny and sojourn in this country.

Question: But I don't understand how you are locked out?

Skinner: That is absolutely amazing. I find it hard to believe that you live in 1991 and don't understand how African Americans are locked out.

In 1964, African Americans' income was 58 percent of white people's income. In 1991, African Americans' income is 57 percent of white people's income. Nothing has changed in 26 years. Now that's either because white folks have created it or because black folk have brought it on themselves.

African Americans are not sitting around denying themselves an income. It is the system that has locked us out of full participation in the economy. You and your children can still go to Stanford or Harvard, get an MBA, enter corporate America, and have a shot at one day running the company. My children have no such opportunity. They have all the qualifications, but you won't let them in.

Question: But why should success be defined as "entering corporate America?"

Skinner: I use corporate American as an example of being locked out of all the institutions of America. Particularly the economic institutions that have so wide an impact on the quality of life in America.

I define success as the sharing of power in every sector that affects America, and the ability of a people to contribute to what the country they are living in is going to be like. African Americans are not allowed to do this. Simply pointing to individual African American superstars in sports, the military, entertainment, or politics will not do.

Question: What proportion is due to black people?

Skinner: If you remove all the barriers that obstruct us; allow us to show power in the local communities, cities, states, and the country as a whole, equal to our numbers; allow the tax dollars of our communities to produce the best in education and training for our young people, the best in services for our poor and disadvantaged—allow this, and we will do well. We have always done well when the rules of the game are the same for everybody. If we fail in these circumstances, then the failure is ours. Give us that right.

Question: But you're a success, aren't you? You haven't been personally locked out.

Skinner: I am amazed that you think I am successful. Whatever success I have is due to my understanding of white people and my desire to serve black people. Imagine what I could accomplish if the barriers that obstruct me because of my color were removed. In order to succeed, I have to be twice as good as a white person who is doing similar work. When I am allowed to be as mediocre as white people and reap all their benefits, that will be success. I have to be twice as good to reap the same rewards.

Question: So you think all whites are mediocre?

Skinner: How can you be anything but, when you have eliminated all the competition except for other white folks. You've eliminated 30 million black people from the competition. There is not one white person who wants to be president of a major corporation or president of a major university who has to worry about competition from an African American. White people are not operating on a level playing field. By virtue of being white, doors open to you. It's not because you are qualified but because you are white. White people are allowed to bankrupt their financial institutions and get the taxpayers to foot the bill to the tune of one trillion dollars. That is mediocre.

There is a fear that if African Americans are allowed into the system on an equal basis, allowed to learn the rules of the game and everyone plays fair, that we would win. Whenever African Americans are allowed in and to play by the same rules, we succeed. But, those who own the system are allowed to change the rules of the game at will. They operate informally through their "ole boy" network that African Americans are not allowed to be part of.

Question: Can you talk about justice here? What is justice for black people?

Skinner: We have been talking about justice. African Americans have been talking about justice for 370 years in this country. Having been denied justice for so long, we have become experts on the subject.

The law should be distributed equally to all people. Not blacks getting a sentence that is twice as stiff as a white person committing the same crime. We should all be disciplined and judged by the same set of standards. Justice means that all of us should have the same access to all the resources that God created in the earth, that no one should go lacking because of his or her sex or skin color or religion. That's what justice means.

Justice means that the rich and the poor should be judged alike, that no person would be poor because of conditions created by the larger society. If people are poor, it should be that they choose to be poor. Most poor people in our society do not choose poverty. More than 75 percent of all poor people work every single day. We must eliminate conditions in the society that create poverty. The same quality of health services, education, housing, nutrition, and clothing available to white children should be available to black children. Right now it is just not so!

Question: Why? How so?

Skinner: When America builds school systems in middle and upper middle class white communities, they are equipped differently then those made available to children in the black community.

Comment: But that's not the case just with blacks. There are poor white people too.

Skinner: Don't confuse racism with classism. Many whites may be poor because of classism. I would like a situation in America where black people are poor for the same reasons that white people are poor. African Americans are poor predominantly because of racism. Poor black people get hit for both race reasons and class reasons. The only tools that African Americans have for establishing justice is to affect the bottom line of the white majority. If you affect white folks where it touches their pocket books, they will make some changes. White America does not make changes for moral and justice reasons.
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