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Topic Started: Apr 5 2013, 10:46 PM (1,729 Views)
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Snidely Whiplash
Apr 6 2013, 12:51 AM
Couple of points truthie. First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages. They know with people desperate in a market with high levels of unemployed, most people will be forced to accept anything just to make ends meet. That's just a reality.
The rosey scenario you suggest works in the employees interest when unemployment is low.

Next, I'm watching Die Hard from 1988. The scene where the cop is at the Arco station shows gas selling for 77c/gallon. I checked minimum wage for that time. It was $3.35. Today, gas has more than quintupled in price while minimum wage has barely doubled. Just using this simple illustration, minimum wage should be over $15/hr.

I hope this example demonstrates the point z and I are making.
Exactly. There was a policy implemented after WWII........ rent control which lead to price controls on other goods/services. Then the 50's/60's bloomed and everything started to changing.

When I was a little girl gas was 3 cents a gal.postage stamps a penny. Now the materials used to make a stamp hasn't changed that much but it cost 50 cents a letter now........really? and why? Well we inserted wages transportation, taxes etc. into the mix to come up with a price for cost goods sold. And that is how every business arrives at the cost of a hamburger, tire, dress, car, house. Granted there are some extreme mixes for goods/services. Because although the number of people living in America has increased dramatically over the past 60+ yrs.....we have out priced ourselves.

If you product purchase price is lower that the business next door....you will not be able to compete in wages paid. Hamburgers used to cost 15 cents from Micky D's now they are back to the same size there were in the 60's just barely bigger that a HiHo cracker but still over $2.

Everybody wanted a Fed govt job because of the wage charts........used to piss me off that my neighbor was able to have more than I did because of that govt job and my and everyone else's taxes were paying for it. But I changed my mind knowing that as an employee for the state I was helping to pay for my own salary thru taxes. We can't have it both ways that's why I say we have priced ourselves out of business and earnings.

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Truthie
Apr 6 2013, 01:17 PM
zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 12:54 AM
Snidely Whiplash
Apr 6 2013, 12:51 AM
Couple of points truthie. First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages. They know with people desperate in a market with high levels of unemployed, most people will be forced to accept anything just to make ends meet. That's just a reality.
The rosey scenario you suggest works in the employees interest when unemployment is low.

Next, I'm watching Die Hard from 1988. The scene where the cop is at the Arco station shows gas selling for 77c/gallon. I checked minimum wage for that time. It was $3.35. Today, gas has more than quintupled in price while minimum wage has barely doubled. Just using this simple illustration, minimum wage should be over $15/hr.

I hope this example demonstrates the point z and I are making.
Well said, bro.
My point, gentlemen, is that wages are set by the job market. People are consumers in that market as well and set the price by their behavior - the choices they make.

If an employer is offering a job that pays $10 per hour, and their competition is paying $15, the individual looking for a job determines the value of that job when they accept the position.

If folks choose the $15 per hour employer, the other company will be forced to raise their pay offering.

Nonetheless, generally as inflation and the cost of living increases, so to do wages. However, wages are the last to increase historically. As I already said.
So what does it matter to you if they make $15 hr? That's a ridiculous excuse for denying someone a livable wage....please!
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Apr 6 2013, 01:20 PM
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First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages.
Employers do not lower their wages when unemployment does up.

People, as you stated, lower their standards. Thus, the individual is still making the choice. The individual, by their choice, is locking in the wage. Therefore, the "rosy scenario" your words, not mine, is determined by the choices made by job-hunters.
Still beating the drum for the oppressive slave laborers? :-/
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Apr 6 2013, 09:07 PM
Truthie
Apr 6 2013, 01:20 PM
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First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages.
Employers do not lower their wages when unemployment does up.

People, as you stated, lower their standards. Thus, the individual is still making the choice. The individual, by their choice, is locking in the wage. Therefore, the "rosy scenario" your words, not mine, is determined by the choices made by job-hunters.
Still beating the drum for the oppressive slave laborers? :-/
Well, man up, and do something about it!

Oh, maybe we should run to Israel, where we can prosper like this,

"The blacks of Jericho make their living by working the fields in the Jordan Valley. They earn an average of $50 for working a 72-hour week. Should they need food to feed their families, the landowners will permit them to take food from the fields with the understanding the difference will be deducted from their meager wages. Those families fortunate enough to rent land owe as much as half of their crop to the owners at harvest time. The children of these communities attend school in the United Nations Relief Associate (UNRA) system. They usually complete two years of high school and most of them return to the fields to work along side their parents."

Bet you wish Mickey D's hired slaves?
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zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 09:07 PM
Truthie
Apr 6 2013, 01:20 PM
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First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages.
Employers do not lower their wages when unemployment does up.

People, as you stated, lower their standards. Thus, the individual is still making the choice. The individual, by their choice, is locking in the wage. Therefore, the "rosy scenario" your words, not mine, is determined by the choices made by job-hunters.
Still beating the drum for the oppressive slave laborers? :-/
Whatever you want to call it. I call it free choice.

At one point in my life, I had a minimum wage job. I chose it. No one forced me.

When I wanted more money, I improved my skills. Next job I took paid the going rate for that skill level. And so it goes.

Entry level positions are not intended to be your job for life. It's entry level. Improve your skills and push on to the next.
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Apr 6 2013, 09:59 PM
zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 09:07 PM
Truthie
Apr 6 2013, 01:20 PM
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First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages.
Employers do not lower their wages when unemployment does up.

People, as you stated, lower their standards. Thus, the individual is still making the choice. The individual, by their choice, is locking in the wage. Therefore, the "rosy scenario" your words, not mine, is determined by the choices made by job-hunters.
Still beating the drum for the oppressive slave laborers? :-/
Well, man up, and do something about it!

Oh, maybe we should run to Israel, where we can prosper like this,

"The blacks of Jericho make their living by working the fields in the Jordan Valley. They earn an average of $50 for working a 72-hour week. Should they need food to feed their families, the landowners will permit them to take food from the fields with the understanding the difference will be deducted from their meager wages. Those families fortunate enough to rent land owe as much as half of their crop to the owners at harvest time. The children of these communities attend school in the United Nations Relief Associate (UNRA) system. They usually complete two years of high school and most of them return to the fields to work along side their parents."

Bet you wish Mickey D's hired slaves?
Awwww, poor ol' hag is upset. Do you support those slave wages like Truthie? :D
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Apr 6 2013, 10:03 PM
zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 09:07 PM
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Apr 6 2013, 01:20 PM
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First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages.
Employers do not lower their wages when unemployment does up.

People, as you stated, lower their standards. Thus, the individual is still making the choice. The individual, by their choice, is locking in the wage. Therefore, the "rosy scenario" your words, not mine, is determined by the choices made by job-hunters.
Still beating the drum for the oppressive slave laborers? :-/
Whatever you want to call it. I call it free choice.

At one point in my life, I had a minimum wage job. I chose it. No one forced me.

When I wanted more money, I improved my skills. Next job I took paid the going rate for that skill level. And so it goes.

Entry level positions are not intended to be your job for life. It's entry level. Improve your skills and push on to the next.
As you wish for someone else, it should be the same for you. ;)
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zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 10:06 PM
reddgirl64
Apr 6 2013, 09:59 PM
zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 09:07 PM
Truthie
Apr 6 2013, 01:20 PM
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First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages.
Employers do not lower their wages when unemployment does up.

People, as you stated, lower their standards. Thus, the individual is still making the choice. The individual, by their choice, is locking in the wage. Therefore, the "rosy scenario" your words, not mine, is determined by the choices made by job-hunters.
Still beating the drum for the oppressive slave laborers? :-/
Well, man up, and do something about it!

Oh, maybe we should run to Israel, where we can prosper like this,

"The blacks of Jericho make their living by working the fields in the Jordan Valley. They earn an average of $50 for working a 72-hour week. Should they need food to feed their families, the landowners will permit them to take food from the fields with the understanding the difference will be deducted from their meager wages. Those families fortunate enough to rent land owe as much as half of their crop to the owners at harvest time. The children of these communities attend school in the United Nations Relief Associate (UNRA) system. They usually complete two years of high school and most of them return to the fields to work along side their parents."

Bet you wish Mickey D's hired slaves?
Awwww, poor ol' hag is upset. Do you support those slave wages like Truthie? :D
You should concern yourself with that working 72 hours in a week, for a mere $50, than anyone working at McD's. Your hill is alot higher to climb....

Besides, if we didn't have slaves like you to do the dirty work, who would clean my house?
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reddgirl64
Apr 6 2013, 10:11 PM
zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 10:06 PM
reddgirl64
Apr 6 2013, 09:59 PM
zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 09:07 PM
Truthie
Apr 6 2013, 01:20 PM
Quote:
 
First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages.
Employers do not lower their wages when unemployment does up.

People, as you stated, lower their standards. Thus, the individual is still making the choice. The individual, by their choice, is locking in the wage. Therefore, the "rosy scenario" your words, not mine, is determined by the choices made by job-hunters.
Still beating the drum for the oppressive slave laborers? :-/
Well, man up, and do something about it!

Oh, maybe we should run to Israel, where we can prosper like this,

"The blacks of Jericho make their living by working the fields in the Jordan Valley. They earn an average of $50 for working a 72-hour week. Should they need food to feed their families, the landowners will permit them to take food from the fields with the understanding the difference will be deducted from their meager wages. Those families fortunate enough to rent land owe as much as half of their crop to the owners at harvest time. The children of these communities attend school in the United Nations Relief Associate (UNRA) system. They usually complete two years of high school and most of them return to the fields to work along side their parents."

Bet you wish Mickey D's hired slaves?
Awwww, poor ol' hag is upset. Do you support those slave wages like Truthie? :D
You should concern yourself with that working 72 hours in a week, for a mere $50, than anyone working at McD's. Your hill is alot higher to climb....

Besides, if we didn't have slaves like you to do the dirty work, who would clean my house?
LOL, go get yourself a drink from your cauldron and shut the fuck up!! :ermm: :D :D
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zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 10:17 PM
reddgirl64
Apr 6 2013, 10:11 PM
zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 10:06 PM
reddgirl64
Apr 6 2013, 09:59 PM
zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 09:07 PM
Truthie
Apr 6 2013, 01:20 PM
Quote:
 
First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages.
Employers do not lower their wages when unemployment does up.

People, as you stated, lower their standards. Thus, the individual is still making the choice. The individual, by their choice, is locking in the wage. Therefore, the "rosy scenario" your words, not mine, is determined by the choices made by job-hunters.
Still beating the drum for the oppressive slave laborers? :-/
Well, man up, and do something about it!

Oh, maybe we should run to Israel, where we can prosper like this,

"The blacks of Jericho make their living by working the fields in the Jordan Valley. They earn an average of $50 for working a 72-hour week. Should they need food to feed their families, the landowners will permit them to take food from the fields with the understanding the difference will be deducted from their meager wages. Those families fortunate enough to rent land owe as much as half of their crop to the owners at harvest time. The children of these communities attend school in the United Nations Relief Associate (UNRA) system. They usually complete two years of high school and most of them return to the fields to work along side their parents."

Bet you wish Mickey D's hired slaves?
Awwww, poor ol' hag is upset. Do you support those slave wages like Truthie? :D
You should concern yourself with that working 72 hours in a week, for a mere $50, than anyone working at McD's. Your hill is alot higher to climb....

Besides, if we didn't have slaves like you to do the dirty work, who would clean my house?
LOL, go get yourself a drink from your cauldron and shut the fuck up!! :ermm: :D :D
You tell that ole mammie of yours, if she's late one more time, just one more time, I'll hire her mammie to clean my house.

Fuk'n lazy as slaves...

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