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Topic Started: Apr 5 2013, 10:46 PM (1,730 Views)
Zechariah
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Zechariah
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Apr 6 2013, 12:25 AM
zecharia
Apr 6 2013, 12:21 AM
That was a question, why do you believe that some don't deserve a livable wage?
I never said that.

Since you don't understand my example, I think our attempt to converse regarding this is moot.
Everything you said suggested to me that you believe some don't deserve a livable wage, which is why you didn't agree with me that they DO.
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Couple of points truthie. First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages. They know with people desperate in a market with high levels of unemployed, most people will be forced to accept anything just to make ends meet. That's just a reality.
The rosey scenario you suggest works in the employees interest when unemployment is low.

Next, I'm watching Die Hard from 1988. The scene where the cop is at the Arco station shows gas selling for 77c/gallon. I checked minimum wage for that time. It was $3.35. Today, gas has more than quintupled in price while minimum wage has barely doubled. Just using this simple illustration, minimum wage should be over $15/hr.

I hope this example demonstrates the point z and I are making.
Edited by Snidely Whiplash, Apr 6 2013, 12:52 AM.
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Apr 6 2013, 12:51 AM
Couple of points truthie. First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages. They know with people desperate in a market with high levels of unemployed, most people will be forced to accept anything just to make ends meet. That's just a reality.
The rosey scenario you suggest works in the employees interest when unemployment is low.

Next, I'm watching Die Hard from 1988. The scene where the cop is at the Arco station shows gas selling for 77c/gallon. I checked minimum wage for that time. It was $3.35. Today, gas has more than quintupled in price while minimum wage has barely doubled. Just using this simple illustration, minimum wage should be over $15/hr.

I hope this example demonstrates the point z and I are making.
Well said, bro.
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Man,

I wish gas was 77 cents a gallon now.
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On Thursday, protesters stood outside New York City restaurants including Yum Inc's KFC, McDonald's and Burger King demanding better working conditions such as USD15 an hour wage.

The protesters chanted slogans such as “Can’t survive on $7.25.”


“We help them earn those billions of dollars that give them the lifestyle that the CEOs get. They earn million-dollar paychecks, so why can't they give us something that we can live on?,” said a protester during the rally.

The medium wage for the USD 200 billion-dollar industry is USD 8.90 an hour and the starting wage is USD 7.25 an hour, making it the lowest for any occupation in New York City.

Many employees receive food stamps to provide for their kids. Over 50,000 people work in New York’s fast-food industry and only a few chains offer their employees benefits or health insurance.

One worker for East Harlem KFC, who asked for payment to cover lost time during Superstorm Sandy, was given a free meal instead of aid.

The strike was organized by Fast Food Forward, a movement sponsored by community and civil rights groups.

During the protest, Jonathan Westin the director of Fast Food Forward issued a statement saying that “What happened today sends a big message to a multibillion fast-food industry that this thing is not going away…We’re going to continue fighting for living wages and the right to organize. ... People deserve more than living in poverty.”

Activists say there is a situation of extreme inequality and worsening living conditions for a great number of people living in New York. The city’s unemployment rate stands at over nine percent and one-third of the workforce, over one million workers, make less than USD 11.75 an hour.

About 22 percent of people living in New York City meet the official poverty guidelines. A record number of 47,000 people including 20,000 children live in homeless shelters.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/04/05/296649/nyc-fastfood-workers-go-on-strike/

How can people be expected to live on that paltry sum?
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defiance

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Apr 6 2013, 12:28 AM
Simple. But people are fine with that wage because its usually a student who may live with their parents, or a senior citizen who's retired and needs a small income.
Not anymore, this should help you.

"It's not teenagers working after-school jobs," says Westin. "It's adults with families that are trying to take care of their kids and can't put food on the table. They can work here for 10, 15 years and still be making the same wages as when they started."


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/04/04/176260454/nycs-fast-food-workers-strike-demand-living-wages
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defiance

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Apr 5 2013, 10:47 PM
What! $15 per hour? They have lost their mind.
We are talking about NY now. Everyone knows their cost of living is extremely high. Why not 15 per hr.
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Apr 6 2013, 05:59 AM
...It's not teenagers working after-school jobs," says Westin. "It's adults with families that are trying to take care of their kids and can't put food on the table...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/04/04/176260454/nycs-fast-food-workers-strike-demand-living-wages
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Apr 6 2013, 12:54 AM
Snidely Whiplash
Apr 6 2013, 12:51 AM
Couple of points truthie. First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages. They know with people desperate in a market with high levels of unemployed, most people will be forced to accept anything just to make ends meet. That's just a reality.
The rosey scenario you suggest works in the employees interest when unemployment is low.

Next, I'm watching Die Hard from 1988. The scene where the cop is at the Arco station shows gas selling for 77c/gallon. I checked minimum wage for that time. It was $3.35. Today, gas has more than quintupled in price while minimum wage has barely doubled. Just using this simple illustration, minimum wage should be over $15/hr.

I hope this example demonstrates the point z and I are making.
Well said, bro.
My point, gentlemen, is that wages are set by the job market. People are consumers in that market as well and set the price by their behavior - the choices they make.

If an employer is offering a job that pays $10 per hour, and their competition is paying $15, the individual looking for a job determines the value of that job when they accept the position.

If folks choose the $15 per hour employer, the other company will be forced to raise their pay offering.

Nonetheless, generally as inflation and the cost of living increases, so to do wages. However, wages are the last to increase historically. As I already said.
Edited by VoiceofReason, Apr 6 2013, 01:19 PM.
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First with high unemployment the employers can afford to offer low wages.
Employers do not lower their wages when unemployment does up.

People, as you stated, lower their standards. Thus, the individual is still making the choice. The individual, by their choice, is locking in the wage. Therefore, the "rosy scenario" your words, not mine, is determined by the choices made by job-hunters.
Edited by VoiceofReason, Apr 6 2013, 01:25 PM.
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