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More gun violence in Chicago-what can be done by Politicians to stop this?
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Topic Started: Jan 28 2013, 11:26 AM (4,118 Views)
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Mal
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Feb 12 2013, 07:49 AM
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Two Chicago gang members charged Monday in the death of a 15-year-old honor student Hadiya Pendleton mistook her and her friends for members of a rival gang and attacked the group in retaliation for a shooting that injured one of the men over the summer, according to police. Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy said first-degree murder charges were filed against Michael Ward, 18, and Kenneth Williams, 20. How can we have sunk so low that a child is murdered due to mistaken identity. Yet another waste of three black lives as Hadiya is dead and these two gangbangers will be in prison for life.
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Mr Mann
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Feb 12 2013, 09:55 AM
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- kennyinbmore
- Feb 8 2013, 10:19 AM
- Mr Mann
- Feb 8 2013, 06:40 AM
Stop being silly..
Of course u cant change it with ONE school... That one school is TESTAMENT to the FACT THAT THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM that leads to kids being juvenile delinquents CAN BE CHANGED...
Your post doesn't prove that premise. There's nothing in what you posted that says these children were ever juvenile delinquents to begin with. Being born black doesn't automatically make you a juvenile delinquent. As I said it's quite possible these were good kids to start with and needed no changing And it's quite possible they werent...
Point is that reconditioning "kids" can be done and they are not Lost causes...
Just need more people that actually think creatively as opposed to saying "fuk em"
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Mr Mann
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Feb 12 2013, 09:58 AM
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- Mal
- Feb 8 2013, 10:34 AM
I think that the opposite is true. Schools are not the issue as there are good schools and bad schools in black areas. The issue for us remains that if all black children got a great education, had oppurtunities to go to college, and the best facilities. It would not make a difference to our future if we do not make sure the homes are children are raised in are stable, solid, functional and encourage them to value education. Schools were never the issue..
Schools are avenues to RECONDITION kids.. i.e. Taking a kid that's going down a certain path and orienting him into another..
But a BAD SCHOOL makes a difference and only makes things worse..
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Mr Mann
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Feb 12 2013, 10:00 AM
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- Rico Suave
- Feb 8 2013, 10:45 AM
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- Feb 6 2013, 01:47 PM
For the third year running, an all-male charter school with students from Chicago's roughest neighborhoods is sending its entire senior class to college. Urban Prep Academy reports that all 85 seniors graduating from the all-male preparatory school have been accepted to four-year colleges or universities, the third consecutive year an entire senior class has gotten acceptance letters along with their diplomas. This year's class also has some standout stars, like Vernon Cheeks, 17, who was accepted to 14 schools, according to CBS Chicago. "It taught me how to be resilient. It also taught me how to be accountable for my own actions," he told the station of his experience in the standout high school program. Urban Prep's success is unusual in its West Side neighborhood, which sees disproportionately high rates of violent crime so severe that parents requested heightened protection for academy students earlier this year, amid concerns that gang territories were advancing on the school. "[In] this volatile, violent area, these are like lambs surrounded by wolves, and that shouldn't be," the grandmother of a student told ABC Chicago. The school's success has grown exponentially since its founding in 2006, when only four percent of the school's first freshman class was reading at grade level when they entered. In 2010, the school sent all 107 graduating seniors directly into college or university programs for the first time. "No other public [school] in the country has done this," Urban Prep Academy Founder Tim King said at the time. Continuing that success in 2011 and 2012 makes the school's performance even more remarkable. The school also boasts an impressive "persistence" record this year--83 percent of 2010 Urban Prep graduates who went on to college have stayed there, compared to a national average of 35 percent among African-American males, according to the Chicago Tribune. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/urban-prep-graduates-all-_n_1391121.htmlThe school's success has grown exponentially since its founding in 2006, when only four percent of the school's first freshman class was reading at grade level when they entered.
In 2010, the school sent all 107 graduating seniors directly into college or university programs for the first time.This is what I'm talking about when I say "'Unconditioned"" How can you go from 4 percent of the school's freshman class being able to read at a grade level to the point that they are accepted to colleges?? Are we simply saying these Mofo kids will become criminals, should know better so fuk em? Or can we acknowledge that they are things that can be done to change the situation?? These kids would have been the same kids that turn into "the thugs that should know better, so fuk em" type of kids to who knows now, might become the doctors, the politicians to help you out in your old age or moment of need or business.. Is this a miracle that they were able to get these kids to that level or was it more of an "unconditioned" thing were kids are shown differently?? Will these kids be the ones doing gun violence? I'm guessing not..
Excellent story. Yep.. To acknowledge that is to also acknowledge that a difference can be made...
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kennyinbmore
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Feb 12 2013, 10:04 AM
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- Mr Mann
- Feb 12 2013, 09:55 AM
And it's quite possible they werent...
Point is that reconditioning "kids" can be done and they are not Lost causes...
Just need more people that actually think creatively as opposed to saying "fuk em" No one said school kids are a lost cause. and no one said "fuk em" so I'm not sure where you're getting that from anything I posted. The thugs killing people don't go to school
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Zechariah
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Feb 12 2013, 10:10 AM
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There is no answer for your question, Mal.
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kennyinbmore
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Feb 12 2013, 10:12 AM
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- zecharia
- Feb 12 2013, 10:10 AM
There is no answer for your question, Mal. I told him that way back in post #7
- Mal
- Jan 28 2013, 11:26 AM
WHAT CAN BE DONE BY BLACK FAMILIES, THE CHURCH, POLITICIANS AND THE PRESIDENT TO ADDRESS AND SOLVE THIS ISSUE?
The short answer is nothing
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Mr Mann
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Feb 12 2013, 10:21 AM
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- kennyinbmore
- Feb 12 2013, 10:04 AM
- Mr Mann
- Feb 12 2013, 09:55 AM
And it's quite possible they werent...
Point is that reconditioning "kids" can be done and they are not Lost causes...
Just need more people that actually think creatively as opposed to saying "fuk em"
No one said school kids are a lost cause. and no one said "fuk em" so I'm not sure where you're getting that from anything I posted. The thugs killing people don't go to school The thugs killing people... Some can be saved is also what I am saying.. Thru lack of schooling, lack of opportunities, Environment, Hopelessness, Lack of training, lack of parenting develop the wrong set of core values and I am saying as a community if we Tackle the things that FORM AND SHAPE "Thugs" we can maybe take back different communities...
A good majority of black juvenilles, adult offenders are there due to the drug trade... If more can be shown a different way (conditioning) or given opportunities (black teen unemployment is way high) maybe it can lessen the number of those that turn into "thugs"
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Zechariah
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Feb 12 2013, 10:23 AM
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- kennyinbmore
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- zecharia
- Feb 12 2013, 10:10 AM
There is no answer for your question, Mal.
I told him that way back in post #7 - Mal
- Jan 28 2013, 11:26 AM
WHAT CAN BE DONE BY BLACK FAMILIES, THE CHURCH, POLITICIANS AND THE PRESIDENT TO ADDRESS AND SOLVE THIS ISSUE?
The short answer is nothing That truely is the short and probably long answer too.
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72MiMi
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Feb 12 2013, 11:48 AM
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- kennyinbmore
- Feb 6 2013, 02:23 PM
- Mr Mann
- Feb 6 2013, 01:31 PM
My question to you..
WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND IS THE SOLUTION FOR CHICAGO, OTHER LARGE BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS or BLACK PEOPLE AT LARGE?
My posts are directed at solutions, analyzing possible root causes or factors in order for things to change, but I seldom hear talk from you on what solutions are..
I've already stated that I personally don't think there is a solution. People who have that mindset have it, it is what it is. As a former elementary school teacher I've worked with inner city kids who worked hard in school despite their home environment. I also ran into plenty of knuckleheads and I knew what path they were taking. It's real easy to say get rid of welfare, food stamps, and Section 8, but then what? It's not that easy to change the mindset of a few million people Thanks Kenny....has nothing to do with what's available or not....has all to do with mind-set. All anyone w/ half a mind has to do is look around them and determine if this is the way they want to die......not live, but die.
I remember calling in a favor for a young lady who was struggling w/ 2 kids...got her a job w/ the state....proud to say she retired from that job. Now she could have stayed on welfare but that wasn't her plan.....and the saddest part is after getting the job most of her "friends" scorned her....hows that for priorities/ mind-sets?
Edited by 72MiMi, Feb 12 2013, 11:49 AM.
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