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kennyinbmore
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Your link is fine, but misses a few things. For example, did any of these kids have any behavior problems or were they already well behaved children? were there parents involved in their schooling, etc. 500 people were murdered in Chicago alone last year. They had 44 just in January of this year so they're already up +4 ove rlast year. That school initiative while a wonderful thing, isn't solving that problem. You're talking a class of 85 kids when almost half that many people have already been murdered there in just one month. Good luck with that
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kennyinbmore
Feb 6 2013, 06:04 PM
Your link is fine, but misses a few things. For example, did any of these kids have any behavior problems or were they already well behaved children? were there parents involved in their schooling, etc. 500 people were murdered in Chicago alone last year. They had 44 just in January of this year so they're already up +4 ove rlast year. That school initiative while a wonderful thing, isn't solving that problem. You're talking a class of 85 kids when almost half that many people have already been murdered there in just one month. Good luck with that
It doesnt speak to behavioral problems, but the fact remains is that these kids were reading at grade school level as incoming freshmen... i.e. meaning they were obviously not the nerd type..
And yes it's making a small difference as these kids would probably be dropping out of school, getting into gangs, violence and so forth..

Point is that there are solutions.. I doubt that they are born this way.. They (meaning those who partake in violence) had to learn it and it can be unlearned..
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Feb 6 2013, 01:47 PM
For the third year running, an all-male charter school with students from Chicago's roughest neighborhoods is sending its entire senior class to college.

Urban Prep Academy reports that all 85 seniors graduating from the all-male preparatory school have been accepted to four-year colleges or universities, the third consecutive year an entire senior class has gotten acceptance letters along with their diplomas.

This year's class also has some standout stars, like Vernon Cheeks, 17, who was accepted to 14 schools, according to CBS Chicago.

"It taught me how to be resilient. It also taught me how to be accountable for my own actions," he told the station of his experience in the standout high school program.

Urban Prep's success is unusual in its West Side neighborhood, which sees disproportionately high rates of violent crime so severe that parents requested heightened protection for academy students earlier this year, amid concerns that gang territories were advancing on the school.

"[In] this volatile, violent area, these are like lambs surrounded by wolves, and that shouldn't be," the grandmother of a student told ABC Chicago.

The school's success has grown exponentially since its founding in 2006, when only four percent of the school's first freshman class was reading at grade level when they entered.

In 2010, the school sent all 107 graduating seniors directly into college or university programs for the first time.

"No other public [school] in the country has done this," Urban Prep Academy Founder Tim King said at the time. Continuing that success in 2011 and 2012 makes the school's performance even more remarkable.

The school also boasts an impressive "persistence" record this year--83 percent of 2010 Urban Prep graduates who went on to college have stayed there, compared to a national average of 35 percent among African-American males, according to the Chicago Tribune.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/urban-prep-graduates-all-_n_1391121.html



The school's success has grown exponentially since its founding in 2006, when only four percent of the school's first freshman class was reading at grade level when they entered.

In 2010, the school sent all 107 graduating seniors directly into college or university programs for the first time.


This is what I'm talking about when I say "'Unconditioned""
How can you go from 4 percent of the school's freshman class being able to read at a grade level to the point that they are accepted to colleges??

Are we simply saying these Mofo kids will become criminals, should know better so fuk em?

Or can we acknowledge that they are things that can be done to change the situation??

These kids would have been the same kids that turn into "the thugs that should know better, so fuk em" type of kids to who knows now, might become the doctors, the politicians to help you out in your old age or moment of need or business..

Is this a miracle that they were able to get these kids to that level or was it more of an "unconditioned" thing were kids are shown differently??

Will these kids be the ones doing gun violence? I'm guessing not..

What a great article, it is very encouraging to read this.
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Mr Mann
Feb 6 2013, 07:32 PM
It doesnt speak to behavioral problems, but the fact remains is that these kids were reading at grade school level as incoming freshmen... i.e. meaning they were obviously not the nerd type..
And yes it's making a small difference as these kids would probably be dropping out of school, getting into gangs, violence and so forth..

Point is that there are solutions.. I doubt that they are born this way.. They (meaning those who partake in violence) had to learn it and it can be unlearned..
Those are kind of my points about your story. You say they were reading at grade level when they entered high school? How many kids in America right now aren't? You said it doesn't speak to any type of behavior problems? Which could means these were probably good children to begin with who had parents who gave a damn. You don't have to be a nerd type to be a good student.

So your story while a good one to hear that we don't hear enough of, doesn't mean this program changed these kids. These kids could have already been who they were prior to going to that school. In my opinion the evidence points to that. However again, 500 killed in Chicago last year, and that's just Chicago. We had over 200 killed in my city last year. And the Chicago death toll is already outpacing the 500 of last year after one month. You can't fix that with one school.
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CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE
IGNORING CRIME WON'T STOP IT!


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By: Richard Davis



My hometown newspaper, a bland corporate rag (Gannett label), is so ridiculously PC it won't identify the race of criminal perpetrators even when the police are requesting help in locating a suspect. The danger to the community of a criminal at large is deemed less than the danger to the newspaper of being labeled racist by some liberal crackpot. That's American journalism today.

Besides impeding the capture of suspects and fugitives - which doesn't seem to trouble anyone - this mindless PC has imposed a strict code of silence on communities that is leaving them virtually unprotected from a violent crime wave now sweeping the country. Most victims are minorities, the people PC is supposedly benefiting, but that doesn't seem to trouble anyone either.

A Justice Department study released earlier this month revealed a "gathering storm" of violent crime in most major cities, including a double-digit jump in murders. As one researcher put it, "There are pockets of crime in this country that are astounding."

But you wouldn't know that from the media because all of those pockets are black or Hispanic. Though a companion report discussed "the preponderant role that race plays in violent crimes for both the victims and suspects," not a single media outlet mentioned race or ethnicity in its reporting of the study. Too risky. Better to look the other way.




The Justice Department released the report on a Friday, and like many Americans in those urban pockets, it didn't survive the weekend.

To hear liberals and black elites tell it, the "white" media and white America in general ignore black-on-black crime because of racism. Of course blacks ignore it too - less they be held responsible for it in any way - and everyone must therefore ignore black-on-white and even white-on-white crime, less blacks be mentioned in any way. As for our liberal PC media being biased against minorities. Get serious.

Despite those technicalities, blacks are actually right about the racial aspects of this neglect, except it isn't racism. It's racial intimidation, and that comes from them. Blacks set the racial agenda these days. The code of silence is their doing.

For years black leaders have slandered police as brutal racists and inflated legitimate concerns over racial profiling into racial hysteria. They've decried the media for stereotyping African Americans by putting a black face on crime (that is, by reporting it). What you see today is the natural and predictable outcome of those attitudes and practices.

In its story on the Justice Department study, the New York Times blamed the crime surge on several factors: "the spread of methamphetamine use in some Midwestern and Western cities, gangs, high poverty and a record number of people being released from prison." The "biggest theme," the paper reported, is "easy access to guns and a willingness, even an eagerness, to settle disputes with them, particularly among young people."

Those are all symptoms. White and Asian children have the same access to guns, drugs and ghetto attitudes. More whites are poor than blacks. Yet crime isn't surging among whites or Asians.

A better list of causes would include high rates of illegitimacy, poor single parenting, male irresponsibility, failed public education, community dissolution and immorality, welfare dependence, excessive TV, a violent and licentious subculture and a victimization mentality that minimizes personal responsibility and expunges guilt.

And neglect. No one is paying attention. It takes a village, as Hillary put it, though to a liberal like her village means big government paternalism. That's gotten us to where we are today. Rather it takes a village in the conservative sense of localism (or what used to be the conservative sense). It takes local control and responsibility. And attention.

But those days are gone, and they aren't coming back. So we accept increasing levels of criminality because we've closed all avenues of dealing with it. We can't even discuss it in public. Millions of Americans live in fear and millions more have had their lives horribly disrupted or destroyed by cold-blooded criminals, and we look the other way. They suffer alone, and we do what black elites have been doing for 40 years - we move as far away from minority neighborhoods as possible. And keep our mouths shut.
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Feb 7 2013, 05:36 AM
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Feb 6 2013, 01:47 PM
For the third year running, an all-male charter school with students from Chicago's roughest neighborhoods is sending its entire senior class to college.

Urban Prep Academy reports that all 85 seniors graduating from the all-male preparatory school have been accepted to four-year colleges or universities, the third consecutive year an entire senior class has gotten acceptance letters along with their diplomas.

This year's class also has some standout stars, like Vernon Cheeks, 17, who was accepted to 14 schools, according to CBS Chicago.

"It taught me how to be resilient. It also taught me how to be accountable for my own actions," he told the station of his experience in the standout high school program.

Urban Prep's success is unusual in its West Side neighborhood, which sees disproportionately high rates of violent crime so severe that parents requested heightened protection for academy students earlier this year, amid concerns that gang territories were advancing on the school.

"[In] this volatile, violent area, these are like lambs surrounded by wolves, and that shouldn't be," the grandmother of a student told ABC Chicago.

The school's success has grown exponentially since its founding in 2006, when only four percent of the school's first freshman class was reading at grade level when they entered.

In 2010, the school sent all 107 graduating seniors directly into college or university programs for the first time.

"No other public [school] in the country has done this," Urban Prep Academy Founder Tim King said at the time. Continuing that success in 2011 and 2012 makes the school's performance even more remarkable.

The school also boasts an impressive "persistence" record this year--83 percent of 2010 Urban Prep graduates who went on to college have stayed there, compared to a national average of 35 percent among African-American males, according to the Chicago Tribune.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/urban-prep-graduates-all-_n_1391121.html



The school's success has grown exponentially since its founding in 2006, when only four percent of the school's first freshman class was reading at grade level when they entered.

In 2010, the school sent all 107 graduating seniors directly into college or university programs for the first time.


This is what I'm talking about when I say "'Unconditioned""
How can you go from 4 percent of the school's freshman class being able to read at a grade level to the point that they are accepted to colleges??

Are we simply saying these Mofo kids will become criminals, should know better so fuk em?

Or can we acknowledge that they are things that can be done to change the situation??

These kids would have been the same kids that turn into "the thugs that should know better, so fuk em" type of kids to who knows now, might become the doctors, the politicians to help you out in your old age or moment of need or business..

Is this a miracle that they were able to get these kids to that level or was it more of an "unconditioned" thing were kids are shown differently??

Will these kids be the ones doing gun violence? I'm guessing not..

What a great article, it is very encouraging to read this.
"It taught me how to be resilient. It also taught me how to be accountable for my own actions," he told the station of his experience in the standout high school program.


The above sentence is prime example of kids being "conditioned" differently... These kids had to "learn" non-productive and even criminal behavior from their environments, peers, lack of parenting, apathy.. etc..

But some people would characterized them as a lost cause, instead of trying to Help...

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kennyinbmore
Feb 7 2013, 07:42 AM
Mr Mann
Feb 6 2013, 07:32 PM
It doesnt speak to behavioral problems, but the fact remains is that these kids were reading at grade school level as incoming freshmen... i.e. meaning they were obviously not the nerd type..
And yes it's making a small difference as these kids would probably be dropping out of school, getting into gangs, violence and so forth..

Point is that there are solutions.. I doubt that they are born this way.. They (meaning those who partake in violence) had to learn it and it can be unlearned..
Those are kind of my points about your story. You say they were reading at grade level when they entered high school? How many kids in America right now aren't? You said it doesn't speak to any type of behavior problems? Which could means these were probably good children to begin with who had parents who gave a damn. You don't have to be a nerd type to be a good student.

So your story while a good one to hear that we don't hear enough of, doesn't mean this program changed these kids. These kids could have already been who they were prior to going to that school. In my opinion the evidence points to that. However again, 500 killed in Chicago last year, and that's just Chicago. We had over 200 killed in my city last year. And the Chicago death toll is already outpacing the 500 of last year after one month. You can't fix that with one school.
Stop being silly..

Of course u cant change it with ONE school... That one school is TESTAMENT to the FACT THAT THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM that leads to kids being juvenile delinquents CAN BE CHANGED...
It's also not plausible to know that ALL these kids would have achieved in spite of the school anyway..
It goes back to your thinking, that KIDS CANT be helped by INTERVENTION that's not from their parents/guardians..

MY QUESTION to you.. Do you think Outside Intervention can Put a kid back in the "right" path or not??
Just curious...

The point you are missing is that THESE KIDS WOULD HAVE (PROBABLY) BEEN THE ONES THAT TURN INTO CRIMINALS and DO MISCHIEF... THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THESE WERE PROBABLY "GOOD" KIDS...

Good is a matter of opinion and is simply CONDITIONING.. Being conditioned to follow a certain path or not...



The thing is you speak about a Problem... Not only is your Solution(non-solution) is to say "Fuk em, they are going to be fuk ups anyway" You speak about this problem ad-nausea, but you choose not to dig deeper into the problem...


By the way, I quoted this about Tim King from wike
"After completing his law degree, King was named President of Hales Franciscan High School in Chicago, an all-male, predominately African-American school on the city's South Side. [2] During King's five-year tenure as President of Hales, 100 percent of the school's graduates were admitted to college


He also did it at a different school under his tenure...

So it's not Just that ONE school..

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Mr Mann
Feb 8 2013, 06:40 AM
Stop being silly..

Of course u cant change it with ONE school... That one school is TESTAMENT to the FACT THAT THE UNDERLYING PROBLEM that leads to kids being juvenile delinquents CAN BE CHANGED...
Your post doesn't prove that premise. There's nothing in what you posted that says these children were ever juvenile delinquents to begin with. Being born black doesn't automatically make you a juvenile delinquent. As I said it's quite possible these were good kids to start with and needed no changing
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I think that the opposite is true. Schools are not the issue as there are good schools and bad schools in black areas. The issue for us remains that if all black children got a great education, had oppurtunities to go to college, and the best facilities. It would not make a difference to our future if we do not make sure the homes are children are raised in are stable, solid, functional and encourage them to value education.
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Feb 6 2013, 01:47 PM
For the third year running, an all-male charter school with students from Chicago's roughest neighborhoods is sending its entire senior class to college.

Urban Prep Academy reports that all 85 seniors graduating from the all-male preparatory school have been accepted to four-year colleges or universities, the third consecutive year an entire senior class has gotten acceptance letters along with their diplomas.

This year's class also has some standout stars, like Vernon Cheeks, 17, who was accepted to 14 schools, according to CBS Chicago.

"It taught me how to be resilient. It also taught me how to be accountable for my own actions," he told the station of his experience in the standout high school program.

Urban Prep's success is unusual in its West Side neighborhood, which sees disproportionately high rates of violent crime so severe that parents requested heightened protection for academy students earlier this year, amid concerns that gang territories were advancing on the school.

"[In] this volatile, violent area, these are like lambs surrounded by wolves, and that shouldn't be," the grandmother of a student told ABC Chicago.

The school's success has grown exponentially since its founding in 2006, when only four percent of the school's first freshman class was reading at grade level when they entered.

In 2010, the school sent all 107 graduating seniors directly into college or university programs for the first time.

"No other public [school] in the country has done this," Urban Prep Academy Founder Tim King said at the time. Continuing that success in 2011 and 2012 makes the school's performance even more remarkable.

The school also boasts an impressive "persistence" record this year--83 percent of 2010 Urban Prep graduates who went on to college have stayed there, compared to a national average of 35 percent among African-American males, according to the Chicago Tribune.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/urban-prep-graduates-all-_n_1391121.html



The school's success has grown exponentially since its founding in 2006, when only four percent of the school's first freshman class was reading at grade level when they entered.

In 2010, the school sent all 107 graduating seniors directly into college or university programs for the first time.


This is what I'm talking about when I say "'Unconditioned""
How can you go from 4 percent of the school's freshman class being able to read at a grade level to the point that they are accepted to colleges??

Are we simply saying these Mofo kids will become criminals, should know better so fuk em?

Or can we acknowledge that they are things that can be done to change the situation??

These kids would have been the same kids that turn into "the thugs that should know better, so fuk em" type of kids to who knows now, might become the doctors, the politicians to help you out in your old age or moment of need or business..

Is this a miracle that they were able to get these kids to that level or was it more of an "unconditioned" thing were kids are shown differently??

Will these kids be the ones doing gun violence? I'm guessing not..

Excellent story.
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