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More gun violence in Chicago-what can be done by Politicians to stop this?
Topic Started: Jan 28 2013, 11:26 AM (4,120 Views)
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kennyinbmore
Feb 6 2013, 12:43 PM
I'm just asking a question based on what you posted. You're insinuating that "those who are on welfare" are only on it because it's available. Which would also mean you believe if those programs weren't there they would take a different path because there would be no gold at the end of the rainbow so to speak. You can feel free to correct me if I have that wrong, but you seem to sound like some of the Republicans on this board who blame the programs and not the person.

As far as your comment "that they need to be shown something different" , who doesn't know the path to a good life starts with taking education seriously and not making children until you can support them? In my estimation these people forge their own paths with their own decisions made of their own free will


We need to reprioritize what's important to us.

Making arrangements to watch the next BET episode to see what an entertainer is wearing or helping our kids with their school work.

It sounds so simple but a number of blacks people find it challenging to give up this pleasure.
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kennyinbmore
Feb 6 2013, 12:43 PM
I'm just asking a question based on what you posted. You're insinuating that "those who are on welfare" are only on it because it's available. Which would also mean you believe if those programs weren't there they would take a different path because there would be no gold at the end of the rainbow so to speak. You can feel free to correct me if I have that wrong, but you seem to sound like some of the Republicans on this board who blame the programs and not the person.

As far as your comment "that they need to be shown something different" , who doesn't know the path to a good life starts with taking education seriously and not making children until you can support them? In my estimation these people forge their own paths with their own decisions made of their own free will
Come on man.. think about it..

So are you saying that those people are inherently "weak" and you think that sounds better than me saying that certain programs allow for "certain" people (Not just black people) to use that as a way to earn income, improve their standard of living...

And for the record, I dont characterize myself as republican, democrat or independent.. But my views stem from analysis, first hand experience and research.. I only added, because you brought up the republican thing..

But before I digress, I'm a property owner and I used to deal with section 8 people and you quickly learn a lot..
People that dont know better or havent been oriented to seek a different way go the route that they are most accustomed to or know about...

i.e. It's not inherent..
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I'm not saying anything is "inherent", I'm just saying these people make a conscious decision to live the way they do. It's a cop out to blame a program for that. Oh and for the record , I didn't say you were a republican, I said you sounded like one
Edited by kennyinbmore, Feb 6 2013, 01:13 PM.
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Mr Mann
Feb 4 2013, 02:36 PM
At the end of it all, What's really stop black people are themselves... EVERYTHING IS AN OBSTACLE..

The problem is what kind of assistance is NEEDED or NOT needed that will help change the plight of blacks.. In my opinion that's the true problem..

Yes, everything can be an obstacle including the Black person him or herself but when it comes to assistance, could you explain a little more in detail what you think Blacks need and what you think they don't need?
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I'd be curious to hear what his response is to that as well
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kennyinbmore
Feb 6 2013, 01:13 PM
I'm not saying anything is "inherent", I'm just saying these people make a conscious decision to live the way they do. It's a cop out to blame a program for that. Oh and for the record , I didn't say you were a republican, I said you sounded like one
But it allows people to do things that they otherwise wouldnt be able to...

When you have people who have been conditioned or socialized to see things a certain way, It just doesnt automatically register with them that they should do things differently...

Take that other thread where that black woman was tasered while her kids were there..

It takes a lot to "unconditioned" those little boys of hers who have to grow up with her as a mother, living amidst other kids with similar mothers...

If you watch the vid again, you will see those little kids screaming, and carrying out like their mother... Picture 15-16 years of this, Apathy on the part of his mother/father coupled with the environment they are raised in and it's not something you simply "unconditioned" by simply saying you shouldnt do this or that or you should know better..

Majority of people (Poor, Middle Class, Rich, etc) learn their culture, from their parents, and what they see from their immediate environments.. It's a "learned" thing..

All that to say is if you want to break up a cycle of pervasive, entrenched way of doing things, you have to get rid of the things that allow for that segment to keep living the way they do...

This is why you can take a Bunch of at Risk boys prone to gang violence, drug profiting, dropping out of HS. and have people like TIM KING conditioned them differently...



My question to you..

WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND IS THE SOLUTION FOR CHICAGO, OTHER LARGE BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS or BLACK PEOPLE AT LARGE?

My posts are directed at solutions, analyzing possible root causes or factors in order for things to change, but I seldom hear talk from you on what solutions are..

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Feb 6 2013, 01:13 PM
Mr Mann
Feb 4 2013, 02:36 PM
At the end of it all, What's really stop black people are themselves... EVERYTHING IS AN OBSTACLE..

The problem is what kind of assistance is NEEDED or NOT needed that will help change the plight of blacks.. In my opinion that's the true problem..

Yes, everything can be an obstacle including the Black person him or herself but when it comes to assistance, could you explain a little more in detail what you think Blacks need and what you think they don't need?
Oh man.. I've been explaining these things ad nausea over the course of several postings.. You just have to read and review some of them..

For one... WHAT THEY DONT NEED
-Section 8, Welfare and the way Current child support is.. Those things in my opinion rewards people for doing the wrong things..

Help I think they need
-Programs that create jobs to get people working
-School curriculum changes
-Vocational Curriculums from early on

And a few other things I wont mention because it would involved too much govt interruption in families..

I have a few others, but cant mention them for govt involvement would breach on privacy, human rights..

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For the third year running, an all-male charter school with students from Chicago's roughest neighborhoods is sending its entire senior class to college.

Urban Prep Academy reports that all 85 seniors graduating from the all-male preparatory school have been accepted to four-year colleges or universities, the third consecutive year an entire senior class has gotten acceptance letters along with their diplomas.

This year's class also has some standout stars, like Vernon Cheeks, 17, who was accepted to 14 schools, according to CBS Chicago.

"It taught me how to be resilient. It also taught me how to be accountable for my own actions," he told the station of his experience in the standout high school program.

Urban Prep's success is unusual in its West Side neighborhood, which sees disproportionately high rates of violent crime so severe that parents requested heightened protection for academy students earlier this year, amid concerns that gang territories were advancing on the school.

"[In] this volatile, violent area, these are like lambs surrounded by wolves, and that shouldn't be," the grandmother of a student told ABC Chicago.

The school's success has grown exponentially since its founding in 2006, when only four percent of the school's first freshman class was reading at grade level when they entered.

In 2010, the school sent all 107 graduating seniors directly into college or university programs for the first time.

"No other public [school] in the country has done this," Urban Prep Academy Founder Tim King said at the time. Continuing that success in 2011 and 2012 makes the school's performance even more remarkable.

The school also boasts an impressive "persistence" record this year--83 percent of 2010 Urban Prep graduates who went on to college have stayed there, compared to a national average of 35 percent among African-American males, according to the Chicago Tribune.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/30/urban-prep-graduates-all-_n_1391121.html



The school's success has grown exponentially since its founding in 2006, when only four percent of the school's first freshman class was reading at grade level when they entered.

In 2010, the school sent all 107 graduating seniors directly into college or university programs for the first time.


This is what I'm talking about when I say "'Unconditioned""
How can you go from 4 percent of the school's freshman class being able to read at a grade level to the point that they are accepted to colleges??

Are we simply saying these Mofo kids will become criminals, should know better so fuk em?

Or can we acknowledge that they are things that can be done to change the situation??

These kids would have been the same kids that turn into "the thugs that should know better, so fuk em" type of kids to who knows now, might become the doctors, the politicians to help you out in your old age or moment of need or business..

Is this a miracle that they were able to get these kids to that level or was it more of an "unconditioned" thing were kids are shown differently??

Will these kids be the ones doing gun violence? I'm guessing not..

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Mr Mann
Feb 6 2013, 01:31 PM
My question to you..

WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND IS THE SOLUTION FOR CHICAGO, OTHER LARGE BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS or BLACK PEOPLE AT LARGE?

My posts are directed at solutions, analyzing possible root causes or factors in order for things to change, but I seldom hear talk from you on what solutions are..

I've already stated that I personally don't think there is a solution. People who have that mindset have it, it is what it is. As a former elementary school teacher I've worked with inner city kids who worked hard in school despite their home environment. I also ran into plenty of knuckleheads and I knew what path they were taking. It's real easy to say get rid of welfare, food stamps, and Section 8, but then what? It's not that easy to change the mindset of a few million people
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kennyinbmore
Feb 6 2013, 02:23 PM
Mr Mann
Feb 6 2013, 01:31 PM
My question to you..

WHAT'S THE SOLUTION? WHAT DO YOU RECOMMEND IS THE SOLUTION FOR CHICAGO, OTHER LARGE BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS or BLACK PEOPLE AT LARGE?

My posts are directed at solutions, analyzing possible root causes or factors in order for things to change, but I seldom hear talk from you on what solutions are..

I've already stated that I personally don't think there is a solution. People who have that mindset have it, it is what it is. As a former elementary school teacher I've worked with inner city kids who worked hard in school despite their home environment. I also ran into plenty of knuckleheads and I knew what path they were taking. It's real easy to say get rid of welfare, food stamps, and Section 8, but then what? It's not that easy to change the mindset of a few million people
Lol so there's no solutions..?? Then What? What do we do?

There are solutions.. I direct you to TIM WISE and read the above article that I link from that website..
KIDS were "unconditioned" to do different?

You ask then what after Section 8, Welfare and other govt rewards for irresponsible behavior are taken away?
You go back to how things were prior to the existence of these things.. People would orient themselves towards having families and picking quality and viable partners to have those families with, instead of breeding...

And you would have a vast change (for the better) in that segment of the black community in just a few years
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