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cisslybee2012
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Jan 11 2013, 02:02 AM
I think it's really unlikely HIV was created. We don't have the technology now to accurately create diseases and viruses that accurately target humans without the risk of possibly killing us all off, let along two decades ago when it was discovered. It probably evolved or mutated like other viruses do given whatever environment and conditions is was exposed to.
Hi sudo. Welcome back.

And what you're saying is possible. It certainly can't be proven that it's man made, nor has it been proven that it's not.

But I personally believe that it is, and that it's made with a strain or splice from cattle animals.
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Jan 11 2013, 02:06 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 02:02 AM
I think it's really unlikely HIV was created. We don't have the technology now to accurately create diseases and viruses that accurately target humans without the risk of possibly killing us all off, let along two decades ago when it was discovered. It probably evolved or mutated like other viruses do given whatever environment and conditions is was exposed to.
Hi sudo. Welcome back.

And what you're saying is possible. It certainly can't be proven that it's man made, nor has it been proven that it's not.

But I personally believe that it is, and that it's made with a strain or splice from cattle animals.
If you can't prove that it is or isn't man made, why do you think it is, specifically from cattle?
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Jan 11 2013, 02:15 AM
cisslybee2012
Jan 11 2013, 02:06 AM
sudo
Jan 11 2013, 02:02 AM
I think it's really unlikely HIV was created. We don't have the technology now to accurately create diseases and viruses that accurately target humans without the risk of possibly killing us all off, let along two decades ago when it was discovered. It probably evolved or mutated like other viruses do given whatever environment and conditions is was exposed to.
Hi sudo. Welcome back.

And what you're saying is possible. It certainly can't be proven that it's man made, nor has it been proven that it's not.

But I personally believe that it is, and that it's made with a strain or splice from cattle animals.
If you can't prove that it is or isn't man made, why do you think it is, specifically from cattle?
Because historically, humans are associated with oxen, and long known to copulate with animals, most particularly with cattle animals which is why venereal disease is a staple of human existence. So it was known since prehistoric times that people can contract sexual diseases from animals and ruin their own species with it. Point one.

And point two:

It was also known since prehistoric times that the superficial features of all Earth creatures, including humans, can be altered, which is why we have lighter ethnic groups that derived from the black African.

And people are over breeding, and over populace of the planet is the result.

So a method of reducing the masses is a very good reason why such a virus as AIDS would be created. And from a splice with cattle, it can be possible to attack the human immune system.

And that is why I believe that AIDS is made with a strain from cattle animals.

Edited by cisslybee2012, Jan 11 2013, 02:27 AM.
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Jan 11 2013, 02:25 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 02:15 AM
cisslybee2012
Jan 11 2013, 02:06 AM
sudo
Jan 11 2013, 02:02 AM
I think it's really unlikely HIV was created. We don't have the technology now to accurately create diseases and viruses that accurately target humans without the risk of possibly killing us all off, let along two decades ago when it was discovered. It probably evolved or mutated like other viruses do given whatever environment and conditions is was exposed to.
Hi sudo. Welcome back.

And what you're saying is possible. It certainly can't be proven that it's man made, nor has it been proven that it's not.

But I personally believe that it is, and that it's made with a strain or splice from cattle animals.
If you can't prove that it is or isn't man made, why do you think it is, specifically from cattle?
Because historically, humans are associated with oxen, and long known to copulate with animals, most particularly with cattle animals which is why venereal disease is a staple of human existence. So it was known since prehistoric times that people can contract sexual diseases from animals and ruin their own species with it. Point one.

And point two:

It was also known since prehistoric times that the superficial features of all Earth creatures, including humans, can be altered, which is why we have lighter ethnic groups that derived from the black African.

And people are over breeding, and over populace of the planet is the result.

So a method of reducing the masses is a very good reason why such a virus as AIDS would be created. And from a splice with cattle, it can be possible to attack the human immune system.

And that is why I believe that AIDS is made with a strain from cattle animals.

Most infections that animals carry aren't communicable to humans, especially viruses, due to differences in our biologies. Most of the ones that are that I've read about are bacterial, not viral like HIV. And accurately modifying a virus isn't simple; it's not like you can open up an animal virus and drop in some human DNA. You literally have to change things at the DNA level, and even then, you have no guarantee anything will happen to humans on a mass scale due to differences in humans in general. If you were creating said virus, you'd also have no guarantee you wouldn't accidentally infect yourself.

I'm not saying a man made virus isn't possible, just not likely.
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cisslybee2012
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Jan 11 2013, 03:00 AM
cisslybee2012
Jan 11 2013, 02:25 AM
sudo
Jan 11 2013, 02:15 AM
cisslybee2012
Jan 11 2013, 02:06 AM
sudo
Jan 11 2013, 02:02 AM
I think it's really unlikely HIV was created. We don't have the technology now to accurately create diseases and viruses that accurately target humans without the risk of possibly killing us all off, let along two decades ago when it was discovered. It probably evolved or mutated like other viruses do given whatever environment and conditions is was exposed to.
Hi sudo. Welcome back.

And what you're saying is possible. It certainly can't be proven that it's man made, nor has it been proven that it's not.

But I personally believe that it is, and that it's made with a strain or splice from cattle animals.
If you can't prove that it is or isn't man made, why do you think it is, specifically from cattle?
Because historically, humans are associated with oxen, and long known to copulate with animals, most particularly with cattle animals which is why venereal disease is a staple of human existence. So it was known since prehistoric times that people can contract sexual diseases from animals and ruin their own species with it. Point one.

And point two:

It was also known since prehistoric times that the superficial features of all Earth creatures, including humans, can be altered, which is why we have lighter ethnic groups that derived from the black African.

And people are over breeding, and over populace of the planet is the result.

So a method of reducing the masses is a very good reason why such a virus as AIDS would be created. And from a splice with cattle, it can be possible to attack the human immune system.

And that is why I believe that AIDS is made with a strain from cattle animals.

Most infections that animals carry aren't communicable to humans, especially viruses, due to differences in our biologies. Most of the ones that are that I've read about are bacterial, not viral like HIV. And accurately modifying a virus isn't simple; it's not like you can open up an animal virus and drop in some human DNA. You literally have to change things at the DNA level, and even then, you have no guarantee anything will happen to humans on a mass scale due to differences in humans in general. If you were creating said virus, you'd also have no guarantee you wouldn't accidentally infect yourself.

I'm not saying a man made virus isn't possible, just not likely.
You may be right sudo.

Maybe it's not.

But one way or the other one thing is for sure; something caused it to appear because nothing just comes from out of nothing.

And knowing that, I find it impossible to believe that it isn't man made.

And as far as people not getting sick from animals, I don't know how you can say that when people were recently dropping dead from a flu from pigs, which are cattle animals.

And another thing is for sure.

There would be no venereal disease in our species if people were not copulating with animals.
Edited by cisslybee2012, Jan 11 2013, 03:18 AM.
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What I'm saying is that humans are associated with cattle. Which means that their senses and reflexes are on the same level with cattle animals until their intelligence has been raised higher. So a man will stick his dick in a cow because it's stiff with blood and for no other reason and then go and stick it in a human for the same reason. No thought or reason is behind what he's doing other than his dick being stiff with blood. Well that places him on the same level with cattle, and why humans are historically associated with cattle.
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cisslybee2012
Jan 11 2013, 03:11 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 03:00 AM
cisslybee2012
Jan 11 2013, 02:25 AM
sudo
Jan 11 2013, 02:15 AM
cisslybee2012
Jan 11 2013, 02:06 AM
sudo
Jan 11 2013, 02:02 AM
I think it's really unlikely HIV was created. We don't have the technology now to accurately create diseases and viruses that accurately target humans without the risk of possibly killing us all off, let along two decades ago when it was discovered. It probably evolved or mutated like other viruses do given whatever environment and conditions is was exposed to.
Hi sudo. Welcome back.

And what you're saying is possible. It certainly can't be proven that it's man made, nor has it been proven that it's not.

But I personally believe that it is, and that it's made with a strain or splice from cattle animals.
If you can't prove that it is or isn't man made, why do you think it is, specifically from cattle?
Because historically, humans are associated with oxen, and long known to copulate with animals, most particularly with cattle animals which is why venereal disease is a staple of human existence. So it was known since prehistoric times that people can contract sexual diseases from animals and ruin their own species with it. Point one.

And point two:

It was also known since prehistoric times that the superficial features of all Earth creatures, including humans, can be altered, which is why we have lighter ethnic groups that derived from the black African.

And people are over breeding, and over populace of the planet is the result.

So a method of reducing the masses is a very good reason why such a virus as AIDS would be created. And from a splice with cattle, it can be possible to attack the human immune system.

And that is why I believe that AIDS is made with a strain from cattle animals.

Most infections that animals carry aren't communicable to humans, especially viruses, due to differences in our biologies. Most of the ones that are that I've read about are bacterial, not viral like HIV. And accurately modifying a virus isn't simple; it's not like you can open up an animal virus and drop in some human DNA. You literally have to change things at the DNA level, and even then, you have no guarantee anything will happen to humans on a mass scale due to differences in humans in general. If you were creating said virus, you'd also have no guarantee you wouldn't accidentally infect yourself.

I'm not saying a man made virus isn't possible, just not likely.
You may be right sudo.

Maybe it's not.

But one way or the other one thing is for sure; something caused it to appear because nothing just comes from out of nothing.

And knowing that, I find it impossible to believe that it isn't man made.

And as far as people not getting sick from animals, I don't know how you can say that when people were recently dropping dead from a flu from pigs, which are cattle animals.

And another thing is for sure.

There would be no venereal disease in our species if people were not copulating with animals.

I think it's mutations in humans that cause most new infections viruses and diseases. I don't have a good link to how these things mutate, but you can find enough information on it online. There's also the fact that these things do evolve as and/or with humans.

I didn't say that no infections from animals reached humans, just that most don't. Avian bird flu is a high-profile case, but that's not the rule. It is an example of how one might create an infection though; by allowing infected animals to live together for a prolonged time so that the virus has a chance to mutate to the point to where it's resilient.

Likewise, I've never seen anything that proved the origin of venereal disease to people having sex with animals. I don't even know if we have a way to prove it at this point. It could've simply been a case of a person who's sexual hygiene was lacking having sex with another, particularly if the other person was from another region. This is just a guess, but centuries ago with their being less intercontinental travel and no immunization I could easily see infections being much more lethal when travelers visited new regions and brought infections their bodies had built immunities to new hosts. This happened to the Native Americans when Columbus landed on this continent; both the Native Americans and Columbus and his crew got illnesses from one another. A lot of diseases we have cures for now like hepatitis, smallpox, and syphilis got transmitted between the groups which killed many.
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cisslybee2012
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Jan 11 2013, 03:31 AM
I think it's mutations in humans that cause most new infections viruses and diseases. I don't have a good link to how these things mutate, but you can find enough information on it online. There's also the fact that these things do evolve as and/or with humans.

I didn't say that no infections from animals reached humans, just that most don't. Avian bird flu is a high-profile case, but that's not the rule. It is an example of how one might create an infection though; by allowing infected animals to live together for a prolonged time so that the virus has a chance to mutate to the point to where it's resilient.

Likewise, I've never seen anything that proved the origin of venereal disease to people having sex with animals. I don't even know if we have a way to prove it at this point. It could've simply been a case of a person who's sexual hygiene was lacking having sex with another, particularly if the other person was from another region. This is just a guess, but centuries ago with their being less intercontinental travel and no immunization I could easily see infections being much more lethal when travelers visited new regions and brought infections their bodies had built immunities to new hosts. This happened to the Native Americans when Columbus landed on this continent; both the Native Americans and Columbus and his crew got illnesses from one another. A lot of diseases we have cures for now like hepatitis, smallpox, and syphilis got transmitted between the groups which killed many.
If it's mutations, then something has to be causing it.

The mutations, if that's the case, isn't just coming from out of nowhere.

And poisoning masses of people is an age old tactic.

I could be wrong about AIDS sudo, but at this point, I don't think I am.
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Jan 11 2013, 03:42 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 03:31 AM
I think it's mutations in humans that cause most new infections viruses and diseases. I don't have a good link to how these things mutate, but you can find enough information on it online. There's also the fact that these things do evolve as and/or with humans.

I didn't say that no infections from animals reached humans, just that most don't. Avian bird flu is a high-profile case, but that's not the rule. It is an example of how one might create an infection though; by allowing infected animals to live together for a prolonged time so that the virus has a chance to mutate to the point to where it's resilient.

Likewise, I've never seen anything that proved the origin of venereal disease to people having sex with animals. I don't even know if we have a way to prove it at this point. It could've simply been a case of a person who's sexual hygiene was lacking having sex with another, particularly if the other person was from another region. This is just a guess, but centuries ago with their being less intercontinental travel and no immunization I could easily see infections being much more lethal when travelers visited new regions and brought infections their bodies had built immunities to new hosts. This happened to the Native Americans when Columbus landed on this continent; both the Native Americans and Columbus and his crew got illnesses from one another. A lot of diseases we have cures for now like hepatitis, smallpox, and syphilis got transmitted between the groups which killed many.
If it's mutations, then something has to be causing it.

The mutations, if that's the case, isn't just coming from out of nowhere.

And poisoning masses of people is an age old tactic.

I could be wrong about AIDS sudo, but at this point, I don't think I am.
There's basically two ways mutations occur - through outside influences like radiation, and through "mistakes" (for lack of a better word) in cell division. So it's true that mutations can be caused purposely, but it's more common that it occurs inadvertently.
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cisslybee2012
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Jan 11 2013, 11:41 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 03:42 AM
sudo
Jan 11 2013, 03:31 AM
I think it's mutations in humans that cause most new infections viruses and diseases. I don't have a good link to how these things mutate, but you can find enough information on it online. There's also the fact that these things do evolve as and/or with humans.

I didn't say that no infections from animals reached humans, just that most don't. Avian bird flu is a high-profile case, but that's not the rule. It is an example of how one might create an infection though; by allowing infected animals to live together for a prolonged time so that the virus has a chance to mutate to the point to where it's resilient.

Likewise, I've never seen anything that proved the origin of venereal disease to people having sex with animals. I don't even know if we have a way to prove it at this point. It could've simply been a case of a person who's sexual hygiene was lacking having sex with another, particularly if the other person was from another region. This is just a guess, but centuries ago with their being less intercontinental travel and no immunization I could easily see infections being much more lethal when travelers visited new regions and brought infections their bodies had built immunities to new hosts. This happened to the Native Americans when Columbus landed on this continent; both the Native Americans and Columbus and his crew got illnesses from one another. A lot of diseases we have cures for now like hepatitis, smallpox, and syphilis got transmitted between the groups which killed many.
If it's mutations, then something has to be causing it.

The mutations, if that's the case, isn't just coming from out of nowhere.

And poisoning masses of people is an age old tactic.

I could be wrong about AIDS sudo, but at this point, I don't think I am.
There's basically two ways mutations occur - through outside influences like radiation, and through "mistakes" (for lack of a better word) in cell division. So it's true that mutations can be caused purposely, but it's more common that it occurs inadvertently.
I hear ya.

But AIDS has nothing to do with any mutation as far as I can see.

And if it does,

Then the mutation was deliberate.
Edited by cisslybee2012, Jan 11 2013, 05:21 PM.
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