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3 Myths About Secession
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3 Myths About Secession
by Ryan W. McMaken

I have no illusions about this latest secession petition phenomenon. Nothing will directly come of this, and the people who are behind it are mostly people who would be singing "God Bless America" at the tops of their lungs had Mitt Romney been elected. On the other hand, it sure has a lot of people talking about secession, which shows that the idea of it remains an important part of the American political consciousness.

But, in response, most of the comments coming from political hacks display a deep, deep ignorance of the history of secession and the Constitutional realities behind it.

In response, I thought I'd list some retorts to the basic myths which most of the anti-secession screeds are intent on perpetuating.

1. The Constitution does not prohibit secession. The legal argument boils down to this: 1. The Constitution does not mention secession. In any way. 2. The Tenth Amendment says: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." Now, I don't have a Ph.D. in logic, but even I can figure out that if something is not mentioned, then, according to the 10th Amendment, it isn't prohibited to the states. In fact is is the opposite of prohibited. Now, I know that the Supreme Court says no secession allowed, which means the federal government has declared that you can't escape the federal government. Gee, that's no shocker. So sure, if you believe that the federal government should be the last word on what the federal government can and cannot do, then that's fine. Just don't pretend that we have constitutional government. If the federal government gets to decide what the Constitution says, then the Constitution is nothing more than a suggestion box for the feds.

2. The Civil War did not "settle" the issue. Well, it settled the issue in the way that I settled the matter of ownership of that Steve Garvey baseball card when I beat up that other kid and took it. (OK, that never happened, but you get my point.) Secession was never settled beyond the federal government's assertion that it has the right to kill people who try to exercise their rights protected by the Tenth Amendment.

3. Secession is treason/unAmerican/craaaazy/for slavers only. Prior to the confederacy, there were some slaveowners who got together and seceded from their government. They were called Thomas Jefferson and George Washington. If you're opposed to the secession of 1776, then that's fine, you might be consistent on this issue, but if you're one of these right-wing pundits who thinks the Declaration of Independence should be read aloud every July 4, and then says that secession is nutso, you might try actually reading that document you profess to love.

The Declaration makes a simple argument:

1. Humans have rights from the Creator

2. Governments exist to secure those rights (a debatable assertion but we'll roll with it.)

3. When the government fails to secure those rights, we can ditch it and start our own government.

That's pretty much all it says. If you thought that was true in 1776, when tax rates were 1% and there was not such thing as a the EPA or the FBI or the IRS, why is it not true now? Because we're so much more free now? And no, the Declaration did not say that the government is free to violate rights as long as people get to vote on it.

The Declaration establishes that there's no such thing as treason, and a free government requires the assumption of just secession. Lysander Spooner explains (in No Treason #1):

Thus the whole Revolution [of 1775-1783] turned upon, asserted, and, in theory, established, the right of each and every man, at his discretion, to release himself from the support of the government under which he had lived. And this principle was asserted, not as a right peculiar to themselves, or to that time, or as applicable only to the government then existing; but as a universal right of all men, at all times, and under all circumstances.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=41711
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Too bad that mis-educated Negroes like "MAL" the foreign Negro, hasn't picked up a book and read this! Some of us already was aware of that fact.
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Even though it's not unconstitutional, it'll never happen. As the presenter of the article stated, the government decides what is constitutional.
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zecharia
Nov 20 2012, 11:32 AM
Even though it's not unconstitutional, it'll never happen. As the presenter of the article stated, the government decides what is constitutional.
Who knows, with the likes of "MAL" the foreign Negro, and others, it just might happen.
Edited by UTB, Nov 20 2012, 11:39 AM.
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It will be interesting to see what Congress does with this issue. Might mean that they will be paid by the States they represent.......hmmmm. goodbye perks.
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UTB
Nov 20 2012, 11:39 AM
zecharia
Nov 20 2012, 11:32 AM
Even though it's not unconstitutional, it'll never happen. As the presenter of the article stated, the government decides what is constitutional.
Who knows, with the likes of "MAL" the foreign Negro, and others, it just might happen.
LOL, damn bro you really riding this horse. :D
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72MiMi
Nov 20 2012, 11:40 AM
It will be interesting to see what Congress does with this issue. Might mean that they will be paid by the States they represent.......hmmmm. goodbye perks.
I can't see that ever happening, Mem, but who really knows. There was a Russian legislator who predicted that america would seperate into six parts.
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zecharia
Nov 20 2012, 11:32 AM
Even though it's not unconstitutional, it'll never happen. As the presenter of the article stated, the government decides what is constitutional.
And Constitutional Law is the Presidents forte!
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Political Scientist Predicts U.S. Will Break Into 6 Parts



By Pat Shannan

A leading Russian political analyst has said that the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the daily Izvestia published in that “The dollar is not secured by anything. The country’s foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than $11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse.”

Panarin, 60, is the spokesman for the Russian space program and is often quoted in articles around the world. He may be the highest-ranking official in any government to admit that the amero plan is real. He is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and has authored several books on information warfare.

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts—the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Indian populations; and the northern states, where the influence from
Canada is strong.

For complete article:
http://americanfreepress.net/html/u_s__will_break_159.html
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This is the fear factor of 99% of the white men.....can't tolerate the idea of losing THEIR country. Should have thought about it before they started to selling off everything, like real estate, conglomerates, proprietary rights etc. to those they had once been at war with. Dumb ass SOB's .......always about money, human beings last. Hope I live long enough to see those who were so feeble minded as to abuse people for money, living in the Bowery of every city on the map.
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