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psalongo
Oct 18 2012, 01:35 PM
TommyT
Oct 18 2012, 01:18 PM
I'm thinking race is actually starting to play a factor at this point. For instance, according to today's Gallup poll, Romney has a 7% lead with likely voters (it's even among registered voters). This is despite all the gaffes and bizarre viewpoints he has presented. Hell, his "binders full of women" quip has become a running gag. Remember when the "Dean scream" killed Howard Dean's campaign in 2004?


In any other election cycle, he'd be doomed.
I liked Howard Dean. I was a donor and massive supporter. He was the real deal and that's why even democrats had to kill his campaign.

The economy sucks folks. It's not racism killing obama. When Clinton said it's the economy stupid, it is. Despite the talking points coming out of team obama that everything is coming up roses, most people aren't seeing it.

The fact that bo is even is this is what is surprising to me. If obama could point to anything tangibly better in the economy since becoming president he would be singing that song. Instead it's all about how bad Romney will be or Bush fucked things up. Again, he set himself up for this. Oversell, underdeliver.
But just two weeks ago (in a majority of polls), most Americans felt the economy was getting better. And even Economists felt (still feel) it is getting better. Hell, as I revealed last week (I think) consumer confidence has reached an all time high.

How do we explain that?
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Oct 17 2012, 09:41 AM
It's been a slow process, Rick, which probably started before you or I could vote. I'd trace it back to going off of the gold standard....but my biggest pet peeve is Economic/Monetary policy. And lately the stripping of very basic liberties granted by the constitution.
Hmm B-)

Would you advocate returning to a gold standard?

I do agree that a lot of our and quite frankly western european issues go back to that period around 1973. But I don't see it as a gold standard issue as much as a focus on economic priorities.
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Oct 18 2012, 01:28 PM
rick, I think the racism argument is overstated. Obama would never have been elected without the white vote. He in fact received more than Kerry and I think possibly Gore.

We all know from day one the racist whites are gonna be there. It's the same thing every black person faces daily but on a different scale so I'm not gonna excuse him with that excuse.

Was the problems of this nation here before he came along, sure many were. Obama however in his zeal to win the office massively oversold and massively underdelivered. We have to accept that he is simply incompetent. We shouldn't be afraid to say and accept that someone who displays a little melanin can't cut it.
Obama was put in their by powerful white people on Wall Street to do their bidding. It is clear to me. He is an empty suit who is doing as instructed by these people. Being that way, he can't be the kind of person with a righteous vision for the people otherwise he would not have used by the powers that be.
I somewhat disagree ! I believe the ones you claim put him in office are really the ones who have clearly benefited from Obama's Admin but yet they still hate him because they found out that he has always care for the 99%.
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Oct 18 2012, 01:38 PM
psalongo
Oct 18 2012, 01:35 PM
TommyT
Oct 18 2012, 01:18 PM
I'm thinking race is actually starting to play a factor at this point. For instance, according to today's Gallup poll, Romney has a 7% lead with likely voters (it's even among registered voters). This is despite all the gaffes and bizarre viewpoints he has presented. Hell, his "binders full of women" quip has become a running gag. Remember when the "Dean scream" killed Howard Dean's campaign in 2004?


In any other election cycle, he'd be doomed.
I liked Howard Dean. I was a donor and massive supporter. He was the real deal and that's why even democrats had to kill his campaign.

The economy sucks folks. It's not racism killing obama. When Clinton said it's the economy stupid, it is. Despite the talking points coming out of team obama that everything is coming up roses, most people aren't seeing it.

The fact that bo is even is this is what is surprising to me. If obama could point to anything tangibly better in the economy since becoming president he would be singing that song. Instead it's all about how bad Romney will be or Bush fucked things up. Again, he set himself up for this. Oversell, underdeliver.
But just two weeks ago (in a majority of polls), most Americans felt the economy was getting better. And even Economists felt (still feel) it is getting better. Hell, as I revealed last week (I think) consumer confidence has reached an all time high.

How do we explain that?
There is clearly some disconnect between reality and results in some polls, and surveys of economists. There could be a whole host of reasons for this.
One can always structure polls or surveys to suit a desired outcome. For example, I mentioned yesterday that I was polled on several occasions about the race for pres. None included 3rd party candidates. It may not bear any resemblence to reality and that is why I take these with a grain of salt. At best, I look at the trends in polls, not the numbers per se.

The link below shows what I've been hearing and seeing from other sources. The economic outlook for 2013 is not good even in good scenarios. Then there is the every day reality of sky high gas prices.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cbo-2013-economic-projections-2012-8?op=1
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Oct 18 2012, 01:53 PM
The economic outlook for 2013 is not good even in good scenarios. Then there is the every day reality of sky high gas prices.
http://alu5.qwchqlwkyhqlogzlnv.qjtv.e.s1.incloak.com/cbo-2013-economic-projections-2012-8?op=1
That's completely counter to all the "recent" economic reports I've been seeing; plus it's clearly propaganda from the gov't to label congress as a partisan.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/18/usa-economy-idUSL1E8LH9UY20121018

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-18/consumer-comfort-in-u-s-climbs-to-highest-level-in-six-months.html

http://blogs.reuters.com/macroscope/2012/10/18/could-renewed-u-s-economic-strength-turn-the-fiscal-cliff-into-a-fiscal-ramp/

http://buzz.money.cnn.com/2012/10/17/economy-is-improving-dont-mess-it-up-congress/

http://www.scpr.org/blogs/economy/2012/10/18/10567/california-sees-biggest-unemployment-claims-drop-u/

http://qz.com/16326/the-real-reason-the-us-economy-is-starting-to-improve/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-destler/americas-improving-economy_b_1965190.html

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11740257/1/market-preview-the-undaunted-consumer.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEN
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Oct 18 2012, 01:41 PM
psalongo
Oct 18 2012, 01:28 PM
rick, I think the racism argument is overstated. Obama would never have been elected without the white vote. He in fact received more than Kerry and I think possibly Gore.

We all know from day one the racist whites are gonna be there. It's the same thing every black person faces daily but on a different scale so I'm not gonna excuse him with that excuse.

Was the problems of this nation here before he came along, sure many were. Obama however in his zeal to win the office massively oversold and massively underdelivered. We have to accept that he is simply incompetent. We shouldn't be afraid to say and accept that someone who displays a little melanin can't cut it.
Obama was put in their by powerful white people on Wall Street to do their bidding. It is clear to me. He is an empty suit who is doing as instructed by these people. Being that way, he can't be the kind of person with a righteous vision for the people otherwise he would not have used by the powers that be.
I somewhat disagree ! I believe the ones you claim put him in office are really the ones who have clearly benefited from Obama's Admin but yet they still hate him because they found out that he has always care for the 99%.
Well we agree that the folks who put him in are clearly benefitting. So for example, none of the banksters from the 2007/2008 fiasco have seen any time in court. Even Bush had Ken Lay and a couple others prosecuted.

I believe some of them dislike his rhetoric while some believe it is what it is. Just more bo rhetoric that are meant for the masses and will not mean anything in terms of actual policy as has been the case the prior 3+ years.

As shown in the link below, both are receiving megabucks from Wall Street. Obama is still getting big bucks from Chase and Wells Fargo, 2 of the biggest banks on the planet!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/wall-street-campaign-donations_n_1858086.html
Edited by Snidely Whiplash, Oct 18 2012, 02:08 PM.
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TommyT
Oct 18 2012, 02:00 PM
psalongo
Oct 18 2012, 01:53 PM
The economic outlook for 2013 is not good even in good scenarios. Then there is the every day reality of sky high gas prices.
http://alu5.qwchqlwkyhqlogzlnv.qjtv.e.s1.incloak.com/cbo-2013-economic-projections-2012-8?op=1
That's completely counter to all the "recent" economic reports I've been seeing; plus it's clearly propaganda from the gov't to label congress as a partisan.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/18/usa-economy-idUSL1E8LH9UY20121018

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-18/consumer-comfort-in-u-s-climbs-to-highest-level-in-six-months.html

http://blogs.reuters.com/macroscope/2012/10/18/could-renewed-u-s-economic-strength-turn-the-fiscal-cliff-into-a-fiscal-ramp/

http://buzz.money.cnn.com/2012/10/17/economy-is-improving-dont-mess-it-up-congress/

http://www.scpr.org/blogs/economy/2012/10/18/10567/california-sees-biggest-unemployment-claims-drop-u/

http://qz.com/16326/the-real-reason-the-us-economy-is-starting-to-improve/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-destler/americas-improving-economy_b_1965190.html

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11740257/1/market-preview-the-undaunted-consumer.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEN
Just reporting a government survey, not mine. I suppose we could provide links to counter arguments however all it would prove is what I've said about polls and surveys.

Let's view this personally. Do you believe and feel the country is where it should be and headed in the right direction? I believe thats the question we as indivuals are making based on our own personal experiences.
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I'm just showing how the news favors Obama economy wise, yet he's even with an opponent who makes controversial gaffes almost weekly; and people think Romney will do better job at creating jobs, despite his history as a governor (ranked 47 in all states) to the contrary.

IMHO, that's not a coincidence. Just saying.
Edited by TommyT, Oct 18 2012, 02:11 PM.
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Republicans are desperate for the economy to be crashing and for unemployment to be higher, the housing market to stall and Wall street to drop. They really are so sad that hating Obama is more important than the country recovering and doing well. As the Huff post said.

Mitt Romney will always try to talk down the economy. Even back in 1996, when jobs, growth, and even middle-class incomes were really taking off, candidate Bob Dole was trying to convince everyone that things were bad and getting worse.

It is, of course, a much closer call now, but still, I doubt that Gov. Romney's assault on the recovery in Tuesday night's debate resonated as much as he'd like it to. And I think Greg Sargent is right here: team Obama should continue to push back on this point, particularly re: housing, which didn't come up at all Tuesday night.

All three major home price indices are up and the 30-year mortgage rate is at an all-time low. This combination of home price appreciation and low rates has allowed more homeowners to refinance, lowering average annual mortgage payments by around $2,200. Housing starts got a big pop Wednesday AM, hitting their strongest stride since 2008, and while the monthly data are volatile, there are signs that the inventory overhang in housing is much diminished.

Last month, auto sales hit a four year high, with annualized sales just below 15 million, the highest sales count since March 2008. Since GM and Chrysler have emerged from their government-structured bankruptcy, the industry's added almost 250,000 jobs.

Unemployment, 10 percent three years ago, is 7.8 percent -- still too high, but moving in the right direction. Mitt's got a point re: the depressed labor force participation rate, but he's all stuff and malarkey if he really thinks that explains all, or even half, of the progress on unemployment. Employment growth accelerated notably in the third quarter of the year relative to the second.
Edited by Mal, Oct 18 2012, 02:15 PM.
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Oct 18 2012, 02:02 PM
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Oct 18 2012, 01:41 PM
psalongo
Oct 18 2012, 01:28 PM
rick, I think the racism argument is overstated. Obama would never have been elected without the white vote. He in fact received more than Kerry and I think possibly Gore.

We all know from day one the racist whites are gonna be there. It's the same thing every black person faces daily but on a different scale so I'm not gonna excuse him with that excuse.

Was the problems of this nation here before he came along, sure many were. Obama however in his zeal to win the office massively oversold and massively underdelivered. We have to accept that he is simply incompetent. We shouldn't be afraid to say and accept that someone who displays a little melanin can't cut it.
Obama was put in their by powerful white people on Wall Street to do their bidding. It is clear to me. He is an empty suit who is doing as instructed by these people. Being that way, he can't be the kind of person with a righteous vision for the people otherwise he would not have used by the powers that be.
I somewhat disagree ! I believe the ones you claim put him in office are really the ones who have clearly benefited from Obama's Admin but yet they still hate him because they found out that he has always care for the 99%.
Well we agree that the folks who put him in are clearly benefitting. So for example, none of the banksters from the 2007/2008 fiasco have seen any time in court. Even Bush had Ken Lay and a couple others prosecuted.

I believe some of them dislike his rhetoric while some believe it is what it is. Just more bo rhetoric that are meant for the masses and will not mean anything in terms of actual policy as has been the case the prior 3+ years.

As shown in the link below, both are receiving megabucks from Wall Street. Obama is still getting big bucks from Chase and Wells Fargo, 2 of the biggest banks on the planet!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/wall-street-campaign-donations_n_1858086.html
I just don't get what republicans or any one who is disapointed in Obama gage their bases on? There is hardly anyone left alive that can give live account of what is was like durning the Great Depression so how can anyone judge where Obama should have us without knowing themself??? With Romney's 47% remark it really sounds like that is where he wants us ! How can americans sway towards Romney on the econmy if he refuse to say what he will cut to pay for his tax cut for (Job Creators) :D
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