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| Mal | Apr 4 2012, 08:12 AM Post #351 |
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I appreciate your comments and know that you have alot of expereience and insight into this issue. I disagree though that being bad is a chracter trait that can never be fixed or resolved. It is like saying that some people are born bad. I have seen too many instances of people who have done the worst things or have had horrendous experiences and still have managed to contribute to society and become well rounded people. Not saying that it was easy but I think it is hurting us to ignore and marginalise those that have done wrong.Men like Reginald Dwayne Betts should not be the exception. http://articles.cnn.com/2009-09-09/justice/prison.life.lesson.memoir_1_adult-prisons-betts-cell-door?_s=PM:CRIME |
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| kennyinbmore | Apr 4 2012, 10:01 AM Post #352 |
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There are of course exceptions Mal. Of course people can change and no one is born bad. However, there are lots of prisoners(probably the majority) who will never be anything else because they don't want to be anything else. You can't fix those people. |
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| cisslybee2012 | Apr 4 2012, 10:11 AM Post #353 |
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The REBEL
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Well I've found that people don't need to be fixed. Because we're all made with the built in ability to repair ourselves, just as blood cells independently repair the body. The only difference is choice. We don't have to repair ourselves if we don't want to. But the reason people choose not to repair themselves is linked to their relations with other people. So I've also found that it's other people who actually encourage each other to decide against repairing themselves. In short, people just need to learn to how deal with themselves and other people. For instance, Some men are quick to say that bad people can't change, but yet, if other people don't trust men, then those same men complaining about who can't change start complaining about distrusting men. Which is a double standard, because if it is believed that bad people are hopeless, then there's no reason for others to trust them. So you can't say people can't change, and then complain about people not trusting them. Edited by cisslybee2012, Apr 4 2012, 10:14 AM.
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| cisslybee2012 | Apr 4 2012, 10:31 AM Post #354 |
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The REBEL
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What people need more anything is humaneness and love. Everybody is looking for that understanding and compassion in each other because it vastly doesn't exist. Stuffed shirt people are in the wrong mindset when they feel they are better than anybody for any reason and are quick to express it. This helps to egg on the problems of other people. We can't have harmony living in survival mode. Everything is about ego in that condition. |
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| n.W.o. | Apr 4 2012, 11:21 AM Post #355 |
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Not everyone can be saved but the question is how do you separate the really bad people from the ones who are just lost? And is it even worth the time to do so? Because the lost, if caught quickly, can be changed but if they are constantly shoved in with the really bad then they themselves will turn. Like a damn vampire. And the last thing we need is more really bad vampires running around. |
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| cisslybee2012 | Apr 4 2012, 11:26 AM Post #356 |
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The REBEL
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All somebody who isn't trash have to do is stay away from you. That's how separation is done. Clean people, Stay away from the trash.
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| kennyinbmore | Apr 4 2012, 11:31 AM Post #357 |
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People who want to be saved aren't constantly "shoved back in". They realize they don't want to go back and they take the appropriate steps to not go back. You can't save people from themselves |
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| cisslybee2012 | Apr 4 2012, 11:39 AM Post #358 |
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The REBEL
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True. But others can help them. It's not about saving. It's about helping. |
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| n.W.o. | Apr 4 2012, 12:03 PM Post #359 |
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It's my opinion that not everyone who wants to be saved are taught the appropriate steps to not go back. And some of them are pushed back by people like you or me who falsely believe they are just bad people, period. And they could also be dragged back by the wrong company. You can't save people from themselves but you are confusing what I am suggesting for something else entirely. Your world seems to be only Black or White. Either a person is going to make it on their own or they are bad people. I don't believe this. I think there is far more gray areas than you seem to believe. |
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| kennyinbmore | Apr 4 2012, 12:47 PM Post #360 |
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My 8 yr old knows you don't take what doesn't belong to you. Knowing right from wrong isn't rocket science |
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