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Black Men are out of Control-Gun violence on the rise; Murder rates of Black Men killing Black men rises again
Topic Started: Feb 20 2012, 11:27 AM (14,120 Views)
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kennyinbmore
Mar 20 2012, 07:42 AM
Blaq
Mar 19 2012, 09:01 AM
No, you say you're better than every damn Black male you come across because you think you're better than every damn Black male you come across.
Post the quote or shut the fuck up with that bullshit because that's all it is
Post the quote? I don't have to. You "post the quote" every time you write to anyone on the board, especially anyone you believe to be a Black male. "Posting the quotes" would take way too long and, if I keep it to one post, will create the longest post ever on this board. I don't even know how long a post can be before it shuts the board down but if you truly wanted me to "post the quote" we'd probably find out extremely fast.

As far as me making me "shut the fuck up"? Well, let's just say the likelihood of me bowing down to your egotistical whims and fancies is about the same as you not using your children to try and stop a debate by expressing superiority. In other words, never going to happen.
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Zechariah
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Sari
Mar 20 2012, 01:34 PM
Personal accountability has a lot to do with one's successes or not.

In the end, it's what you did with yourself that matters most. There are many who had every advantage in life, and yet threw it out for drugs, crime, whatever... And there are many who had no hope of a future but they finished school, stayed out of crime / prison and did well for their families....

That is my own personal humble opinion on the topic.

Sari, you're right little sister. There's also nothing wrong with having pride in accomplishments. There are many a black parent like myself, possibly others on this board and thousands and thousands of others who have graduated children from college. For me that was the easy part. Getting them to NOT accept the brainwashing that goes with it, is the more difficult proposition.
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Blaq
Mar 20 2012, 05:46 PM
Post the quote? I don't have to.
You mean you can't
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cisslybee2012
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Mal
Mar 19 2012, 07:47 AM
I do not think Kenny gives off the impression that he is better than anyone.
Either you're in denial, or you're in the same boat with him.
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cisslybee2012
Mar 21 2012, 01:10 PM
Mal
Mar 19 2012, 07:47 AM
I do not think Kenny gives off the impression that he is better than anyone.
Either you're in denial, or you're in the same boat with him.
I am not in denial a all and appreciate what Kenny has done in his life and for his children. There is a difference between someone who thinks they are better than other Black people like Black Republican and the foolish clone army and someone like Kenny who is strident in his views and sticks to what he believes in.
That was a great point from Sari about personal responsibility and accountability. Of course people will follow the path that they want but there seems no sense or reason behind why too many are on the self destructive path.
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Mal
Mar 24 2012, 11:15 AM
cisslybee2012
Mar 21 2012, 01:10 PM
Mal
Mar 19 2012, 07:47 AM
I do not think Kenny gives off the impression that he is better than anyone.
Either you're in denial, or you're in the same boat with him.
I am not in denial a all and appreciate what Kenny has done in his life and for his children. There is a difference between someone who thinks they are better than other Black people like Black Republican and the foolish clone army and someone like Kenny who is strident in his views and sticks to what he believes in.
That was a great point from Sari about personal responsibility and accountability. Of course people will follow the path that they want but there seems no sense or reason behind why too many are on the self destructive path.
Exactly bro, I've said on this forum many times that there's nothing special about what I've accomplished and that anyone can do it. Ciss and Blaq tend to have reading comprehension problems though, so I understand their confusion :)

In fact I heard from one of my former students who I've kept in touch with over the years. he recently passed the bar exam and wanted to thank me for the extra tutoring I gave him in 3rd grade. He was reading below grade level and was going to be held back a year until I went to my principal and told him this kid was kicking ass in math and you want to hold him back because of his reading skills.

I told him he just needed some extra help that he couldn't get because I had 30 other kids in my class. The principal asked if I thought he needed extra help to make it, put it in my already busy schedule.

I called the kid's grandmother(she had him because the mother was a heroine addict) explained the situation to her and told her I'd offer to come to her house and tutor him after school every day. She agreed and I tutored the kid for a month straight and was able to get him up to grade level. I'd love to take the credit for it, but that kid put in the work bro. He did it
Edited by kennyinbmore, Mar 24 2012, 11:35 AM.
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I don't think teachers understand the role and impact in a students life. I had a teacher who gave some harsh but real words of wisdom. He didn't surgar coat a damn thing. I remember going back to the high school to thank him and some others
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kennyinbmore
Mar 24 2012, 11:34 AM
Mal
Mar 24 2012, 11:15 AM
cisslybee2012
Mar 21 2012, 01:10 PM
Mal
Mar 19 2012, 07:47 AM
I do not think Kenny gives off the impression that he is better than anyone.
Either you're in denial, or you're in the same boat with him.
I am not in denial a all and appreciate what Kenny has done in his life and for his children. There is a difference between someone who thinks they are better than other Black people like Black Republican and the foolish clone army and someone like Kenny who is strident in his views and sticks to what he believes in.
That was a great point from Sari about personal responsibility and accountability. Of course people will follow the path that they want but there seems no sense or reason behind why too many are on the self destructive path.
Exactly bro, I've said on this forum many times that there's nothing special about what I've accomplished and that anyone can do it. Ciss and Blaq tend to have reading comprehension problems though, so I understand their confusion :)

In fact I heard from one of my former students who I've kept in touch with over the years. he recently passed the bar exam and wanted to thank me for the extra tutoring I gave him in 3rd grade. He was reading below grade level and was going to be held back a year until I went to my principal and told him this kid was kicking ass in math and you want to hold him back because of his reading skills.

I told him he just needed some extra help that he couldn't get because I had 30 other kids in my class. The principal asked if I thought he needed extra help to make it, put it in my already busy schedule.

I called the kid's grandmother(she had him because the mother was a heroine addict) explained the situation to her and told her I'd offer to come to her house and tutor him after school every day. She agreed and I tutored the kid for a month straight and was able to get him up to grade level. I'd love to take the credit for it, but that kid put in the work bro. He did it
The importance of tutoring and mentoring cannot be overemphasized in my opinion. Especially for many Black kids from single parent homes. My personal experience with that stems from mentoring a young 4th grader from a single parent home. The kid literally lights up when he sees me. He brags to the other kids about our relationship and see me as a hero. Honestly, I don't see that I'm doing anything magnanimous. I know that it's NOT about me. It's about him. The teachers have seen a marked improvement in his grades. I'm getting similar stories from other men and women who mentor or tutor.

Look, most of us realize that there are no "magic bullets" and no panaceas. However, I know from experience that for those of us who want to, we CAN make a difference a child's life. As Kenny has demonstrated, who knows what successes that kid will have later on in life or what road that they might have taken that might have made their life dramatically or tragically different?

A bit off topic, when I was growing up, 90% of the households in my community were led by fathers. Now before I'm accused of being sexist, dracon or archaic, that's just the way it was. Many mothers were stay at home moms. It was different with my generation and certainly those after me.

Mal gets, I think, unfairly crticized by some for calling on Black men to be more responsible and accountable to themselves, their families and the community. I see nothing wrong with that. It's what I saw with my mother and father's generation and those examples were not lost on me and my siblings and many of my friends.

I'm keenly aware of the fact that no matter how hard some of us try, there will still be some who will be lost in the intractable nihilism that plagues too many of our communities. Nonetheless, we need to remain steadfast and undaunted in our commitment to try to make things a little better by whatever means that we can. Just my humble opinion.
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kennyinbmore
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For what's it worth I agree with a lot of what Mal says. I think it's true that as a whole black men can do better. However at the end of the day, no matter how much help you offer to a child, they still have to want it. And I think it makes it that much harder to reach a black male child who's growing up poor, but seeing drug dealers driving around their neighborhoods in Escalades with tinted windows, booming systems, and 20's. Ironically with the absence of so many black fathers in those black boy's lives, the only man talking to them is those same thugs. Except they're not talking to them about education. They're teaching them how they started out as a look out for a dealer and now they're driving an Escalade. So many black boys are missing role models in their life because their father took off. It's sad bro :(
Edited by kennyinbmore, Mar 24 2012, 01:00 PM.
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How did a generation become so "hopeless"? I guess that's the best word I can find. It's almost as if there is no hope inside of some, NOT ALL.

Yes, starting with children seems to be wise. Mentoring, teaching, great avenues for access to teaching young minds there IS hope, there ARE choices one can make....

One of my g/f's daughters was selling girl scout cookies and while I was filling out the form for the order of my own "guilty pleasures" of thin chocolate mint cookies (yummmmm), I told this young lady that she looked quite smart and pretty in her uniform - she just brightened up and smiled, that huge grin the covers most of a small person's face. Then I told her she was very brave, to be able to sell so many cookies! Her mother told me whatever I said to her daughter made her want to sell MORE cookies - this girl went on to be the top seller for their local girl scouts! It wasn't ME at all - I was just trying to encourage the child. We have no idea what affect we can have on other's... especially children.

Oh - here I'm discussing girls, when the thread is about men / boys. SORRY!

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