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Check out this Ultron cosplay.

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I went when Dallas hosted it Comic-Con....

Oh my...I think we were the only ones NOT in costume...

We had a blast however.
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Jul 16 2014, 03:52 PM
I went when Dallas hosted it Comic-Con....

Oh my...I think we were the only ones NOT in costume...

We had a blast however.
The visuals are pretty unforgettable.
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Some crazy stuff may be on the horizon for Sam Wilson, the Falcon. I will post more in the days to follow.

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I hate violence so I hate my guilty pleasure:





...just...damn
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The Falcon has really been a character rising in stock. Sam Wilson finally made his debut on the silver screen, and was universally praised. He is appearing in multiple books, a status only reserved for the big time heroes.

Rumors are rampant that an even bigger change is due for Sam very soon.

However, Sam is caught up in mess over fans who really hate his primary writer.

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Falcon-Jet scene in ‘Captain America’ #22 sparks calls for Remender’s firing

by Kevin Melrose | July 7, 2014 @ 7:21 AM

social-media firestorm that erupted late last week urging Marvel to fire Captain America writer Rick Remender fizzled out by Sunday as the Twitter hashtag was hijacked and a Tumblr post explaining that the Falcon didn’t have drunken sex with a 14-year-old gained traction.

The controversy began shortly after the release on Wednesday of Captain America #22, which depicts Sam Wilson waking in bed next to Jet Zola (aka Jet Black), the daughter of Arnim Zola, after the two shared a little too much wine. Although Jet appears to be a prepubescent child when introduced in the first issue of Remender’s run, time passes rapidly in Dimension Z, where we’re told Steve Rogers spent at least 12 years. A rough estimation that Jet would now be in her early 20s is confirmed by a reference to her 23rd birthday during a brief flashback in the issue in question.

Perhaps some readers didn’t fully understand the timeline, or they confused Jet with her significantly young brother Ian (in fairness they did look a lot alike), and skipped over — or, in some cases, disregarded — the mention of the 23rd birthday. Whatever the case, some concluded from the three-page scene that Sam Wilson committed statutory rape.

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One early and widely circulated Tumblr post, noting the many “heinous and massively harmful stereotypes there are about men of color and sexual violence,” called on outraged readers to stop buying any comics written by Remender, and to email Marvel to express their views.

Under the headline “Why Marvel needs to fire Rick Remender,” Examiner.com’s Gloria Miller dismissed the reference to Jet’s 23rd birthday as contradictory to “everything Remender has told us,” before stating that even if she were 23, “It’s still hard to ignore the fact that she’s still mentally immature and has suffered some pretty massive emotional trauma of late — not exactly a stellar example of unhindered ability to consent.”

Like Miller, Eat.Geek.Play’s Mark Stack framed the Falcon/Jet scene in the context of Remender’s other “offenses” since taking the reins of Captain America, including the (apparent) deaths of Sharon Carter and young Ian Zola. (It should be noted that both Stack and Eat.Geek.Play expressed their dislike for the #firerickremender campaign; after reading this Tumblr post explaining the timeline, Stack tweeted, “I am genuinely embarrassed and ashamed,” and to Remender, “I owe you an epic apology.”)

Remender had his fair share of defenders, both on Twitter and on blogs. The Daily Dot chimed in early with, “Relax, Captain America comic fans — that Falcon rape scene never happened,” while Marvel’s Tom Brevoort offered his thoughts on the controversy on his active Formspring.

“First off, rape and the possibility of rape is an omnipresent danger for at least half of the population, and one that many people are extremely sensitive about,” he wrote in response to an anonymous question. “It’s a serious issue, and should never be taken lightly. But secondly, there are a few readers who are upset with Rick for slights real or imagined who have no compunction about misrepresenting the work he’s done in order to stir up anger among people, in the hopes of getting him fired. [...] I think readers are allowed to feel however they want to about a particular title and a particular creator, and to follow or not follow that title/creator as they see fit—and even to rail against it or campaign against them if they so desire. But this sort of behavior crosses a line for me, it is a disgusting use of the very real and very emotional concerns of a great deal of the population to further an agenda that has nothing to do with the issue in question — and those doing the campaigning know it. Just leaves a bad taste around our entire community.”


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Here is another article.

One would think the real controversy, or irony, is that the daughter of a Nazi war criminal would enter into a sexual relationship with a black man.

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In Your Face Jam: Dissent & Respect: Learning From the #FireRickRemender Uproar

Wed, July 9th, 2014 at 12:58pm PDT

I've been dreading this. I just want to write about anything else at this point. When a big controversy erupts in comics, I feel a weird sense of duty, a responsibility, to address it, as if it's somehow disrespectful to act like the thing isn't going on. I want to write about fun things; that's where I want this column to go. I'm tired of being angry and I want to move on -- and then I remember that the fact that I can move on is part of my privilege of being a white man, and I feel even worse. I want to write about anything else right now, but my thoughts on this whole -- thing -- have been eating my brain alive since Sunday night.

So yeah, "Captain America" #22 features a scene where Falcon drinks wine and has sex with a new character named Jet Black. Introduced as a child in the series' opening arc, readers have seen Jet age more than a dozen years over the past twenty-odd issues, and she states she's at least 23 in this issue, but a lot of readers felt that the age declaration coming so close to the time that writer Rick Remender decided to have her become sexually active felt -- icky is an incredible understatement. This led to fans thinking that Falcon had been turned into a statutory rapist, and a viral campaign against the writer (#FireRickRemender) started. Robot 6 has a rundown of the events.

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The scene which kicked off a firestorm on Twitter and Tumblr

Honestly, I did not even know this was a thing until Mark Waid tweeted a link to a blog post detailing how Jet Black has aged over a decade since her debut at the beginning of Rick Remender's "Captain America" run. All of that math seems legit, and I thought that reading that post would preemptively protect me from getting swept up in another outrage mania. It didn't, of course. I should know better by now.

I've done a lot of reading on this; I have not been able to look away from the Tumblr hashtag for a while. I suggest everyone do some reading up on this as well. I saw too many Tumblr posts from people readily admitting that they haven't read any of Remender's "Cap" run and also had no idea what was going on -- but they still felt the need to weigh in on things. I mean, am I a hypocrite for now admitting that I also haven't read the run? But I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out what this is all about. If you're not going to power through 22 comics, at least read some of the well-written arguments on both sides.

Kieron Gillen broke down the matter well on his Tumblr, acknowledging that this campaign was not born just out of one misread scene, but of a string of grievances one person has regarding Remender's work -- something that a lot of people online fail to notice. But he also explains why he felt the need to defend Rick in this specific case, since the hashtag was "aimed to deliberately hurt an actual human being (while simultaneously throwing a fictional character under the bus)." I agree with everything Gillen says in his post.

Graphic Policy posted a pretty comprehensive run through of the events, but it wears its bias proudly with the title "Rick Remender and Faux Outrage." I'm wary of calling anyone's outrage "faux," especially if the outrage was enough to start a whole thing online. To support their headline, Graphic Policy framed the context of her initial post by citing her Tumblr bio, which at the time said she's "living a Rick Remender hate life." I could write a whole other piece about the aspect of comics culture that defines itself more by what they hate than what they love -- and that's a really toxic way of practicing fandom, in my opinion -- but even within that context, the original poster's follow-up thoughts, expressed in a post written on July 8, offer a much more detailed breakdown of her ongoing problems with "Captain America." The problems go back a ways, hence the "hate life," and run much deeper than a perceived kneejerk reaction to a misinterpretation of one scene in one issue.

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I was introduced to this controversy through bunch of comic book writers defending Rick Remender by using a hashtag I had not seen before. Since I came into it once it had already hit the "here's all the reasons why this campaign is so logically flawed and dumb" phase, I naturally felt the urge to side with that side. I still do side with that side, as far as this one incident goes. I do think Jet Black is at least 23. I don't think Remender would lie about her age. I do think that characters should make mistakes. I don't think that characters' actions reflect the closely held beliefs of their author. I do think it's weird that the creative team felt the need to reassure readers of Jet Black's age immediately before a sex scene instead of a few issues prior. I do think it's gross that female characters still parade around in incredibly revealing clothing. I do think that the term "statutory rapist" should not be thrown around lightly. I do think this whole thing is a mess.

That was a digression, one I took to display just how frustrating this whole thing is. Back on point -- I kept waiting for anyone that was not a white male to chime in with their thoughts. The #firerickremender tag became overrun with Rick's colleagues, every one of which I saw was a white male, circling the wagons to defend him.

And there's this Tumblr post, one that addresses the wagon-circling, and one that I just read before writing this piece. Actually, before I read this Tumblr post, I was going to force myself to write about anything else, but hey -- things change. The common thread with this post Carnival of the Random and the originator's response post I linked to above is sexual assault.

Another round of clarifications, because man oh man do I feel like I'm walking through a minefield. First, anyone making sexually charged threats or threats of any kind towards anyone for any reason, I have no empathy for you and you are actively making the world a worse place to live in. Next, I am not mad at comic book creators for defending Rick Remender at all. I don't think writers should feel the need to please fans all of the time lest they be violently removed from their paid position. I passionately support writers loudly correcting a claim that has no logical basis. I really agree with another one of Kieron Gillen's blog posts, one that asks why anyone would even think that Marvel -- a company "owned by Disney, publishing PG-rated comics" -- would ever throw in a statutory rape scene. That is kinda preposterous, people.

I'm not saying that comic book creators should remain quiet while one of their own is attacked, but I also wouldn't mind seeing a little bit more understanding and empathy shown to the "attackers." Because there's one thing that white male comic book creators can't understand in the same way people that identify as female can, and that's sexual assault -- either as a reality or as the threat that looms over them every single day. I know we're all hung up on this current hashtag, but #YesAllWomen, a hashtag created by women to expose the disgusting experiences they have to endure every day in our patriarchal society, was not so long ago. That's the world that people that identify as female live in. From my reading, as someone that's never had to worry about date rape, or having something slipped into my unattended drink, or just walking home alone late at night -- seriously, just watch this "Daily Show" bit, please -- Falcon and Jet Black's scene is a-okay because she's of legal age. But I'm willing to admit that I don't know everything, and the fact that a lot of women found the scene in question to still be ill-conceived makes me want to listen to why it can viewed that way. Honestly, I want a civil discourse on both sides; I don't want one side rallying troops and pitchforks and demanding a person's job be taken away, but I also don't want the people in power with hundreds of thousands of followers waving off the complaints of people that have read a scene differently because they have different life experiences.

See? This stuff is complicated.

This is where I sum things up, right? Ugh, yeah, almost 1500 words later, yes, this is very much the place to sum things up. To sum it all up: it can't be summed up. It's way too complicated. I don't think the accusations leveled against Remender regarding "Captain America" #22 should have taken on this insane life. I think this new culture of weekly outrage fostered by the echo chambers of Tumblr and Twitter is exhausting and can be a waste of time. I ran across a post from someone urging people to not read "Storm" -- the very first ongoing series for the most prominent woman of color in all of comics -- because the OP assumed that Greg Pak is a white man, when he's actually half-Korean and one of the loudest voices for diversity in comics.

See why Tumblr can be so frustrating?

But, on the other hand, I love that everyone gets a voice in these matters, and that super hero comics are being questioned so relentlessly because they're growing and reaching new audiences of people coming from different backgrounds. The one thing all comic people have in common is that we're passionate about this stuff. From Tumblr fans to professional writers, we all want to see this medium make it out of these current growing pains as a fully functioning, level-headed, pretty cool adult. Next time, I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more empathy coming from both sides.

So in conclusion, it's possible I'm even more confused now than I was before. But at least these thoughts can stop eating my brain. I hope.

Brett White is a comedian living in New York City. He co-hosts the podcast Matt & Brett Love Comics and is a writer for the comedy podcast Left Handed Radio.


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Jul 16 2014, 04:20 PM
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stop harassing me for staying on topic and posting my guilty pleasure up in here...LOL...it's a darn shame that you steal my posting styles so much, to whereas, you come here badgering me for my paying homage to you for finally using your own creativity for creating a thread????





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Don't fret. As your threads are hardly popular, it only makes sense that you post regularly in mine.
Edited by Doctor Magnus Warlock, Jul 17 2014, 10:28 AM.
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