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reddgirl64
Apr 29 2014, 12:56 PM
Dr,

As much as I do enjoy comics, I read a lot of books on Greek and Norse mythology..

In those stories, Loki is a pest, but also a beast. He's a shift changer, maybe more like a mutant. Also, Loki was 'adopted' by Odin, so who is his real father?

Also, regarding Thor, why did they make him blonde? and where is his gloves and belt?

I didn't like the movie, but you would think Stan would have kept the comics closer to the stories of Loki, Thor, and Odin..

What's out there, comic or movie wise, regarding Odin?
Loki is the diminutive son of the Frost Giant, Laufey. Odin slew Laufey in battle, and found the infant Loki, the size of god, nearby. In some traditions, you kill a man, you must take his responsibilities, and family. Apparently Laufey felt ashamed of his god-sized child. Odin adopted Loki as his own. Loki was raised alongside Odin's birth son, Thor. Odin had older children, but Thor & Loki grew up together.

The Norse gods in Marvel are really aliens. Ancient people just worshipped them as gods, as it was explained in the Thor movie. Their technology was viewed as magic.

Loki is a freak in the sheets in regards to the shape-changing. Look at his two sons. Clearly, Loki assumed different forms while providing the "fluid of life".

Here is Jormungand, the Midgard Serpent. In the myths, Jormungand is slated to slay Thor in battle.

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The other son of Loki is Fenris Wolf. In the myths, Fenris is destined to slay Odin.

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Here is Fenris, feasting upon Grandpa Odin in front of his other son, Tyr, the god of War. Tyr is an older brother to Thor, Loki, & Balder. Tyr is several centuries older than his younger siblings, so the brotherly bonds is not quite as strong.

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The writers wanted to romanticize Thor, so they made him blond, and clean shaven. The early Thor stories had a clear romantic element with his romance with Jane Foster. Stan used to write romance comics. On some covers, Thor was billed as "the most handsome hero of all". It was when Jane was written out the series, due to Odin's schemes, that the book picked up a strong & iconic, science fiction element.

Thor does have his belt of power which doubles his strength, but leaves him weak afterward. Thor also has the iron gloves. The writers have not used them in recent years, though.

Most of Odin's story has been told in the pages of Thor. Odin had a really epic story in the 1980s that was collected in a trade paperback.
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Apr 29 2014, 01:02 PM
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Apr 29 2014, 12:15 PM

... what is clearly your guilty pleasure.

I am a racist. And you are too.

So we take "pleasure" in slaying those who are guilty of Equality.
I am not a racist.

You should not be one, either.

My dear friend, JC, wanted me to send this message to you.

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Redd,

Thor has a set of armor he wears when he has to put in more work than normal.

As you can see, he is wearing his iron gloves, and his belt of power.

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As a kid, I got quite the laugh at the thought that Loki fathered offspring in the forms of a serpent & wolf.
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It's kinda hard for me sometimes to reconcile the comics with the books I read. I have a vision in my head, as to what the characters look like, and then to see/read the comics, or watch movies, it makes me build this 'not like I would envision' mindset..

Those comics looks rather old, what's the time frame on those?

I think, I'm going to revisit some old books this weekend...you got my blood stirring..

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Apr 29 2014, 02:15 PM
As a kid, I got quite the laugh at the thought that Loki fathered offspring in the forms of a serpent & wolf.
That's because we see it through the eyes of 'mortals', not aliens or gods..

Our minds are 'limited', in thought, that's why I love to read. It allows you to open your mind, become part of the story, visualize, etc...

Although, graphics do help with the story.

How did you come to love comics so? Me, because my two of my brothers loved comics. I would pester them with questions, then they said, read for yourself, and leave me alone! :D

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Apr 29 2014, 02:21 PM
It's kinda hard for me sometimes to reconcile the comics with the books I read. I have a vision in my head, as to what the characters look like, and then to see/read the comics, or watch movies, it makes me build this 'not like I would envision' mindset..

Those comics looks rather old, what's the time frame on those?

I think, I'm going to revisit some old books this weekend...you got my blood stirring..

The images of the Midgard Serpent, as well as the Thor in battle armor, are from the 1980s. The images of Balder & Loki are from the 1980s, as well.

The Fenris Wolf images are from the late 1970s, I believe.

The image of Fenris as more humanoid is most likely from the 2000s.

I am quite pleased with the Marvel movies depictions, and the Spider-Man films.

The technology has finally caught up to the imagination, in most of these cases.

I am less than pleased with the X-Men visualizations presented on film.
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Apr 29 2014, 02:27 PM
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Apr 29 2014, 02:15 PM
As a kid, I got quite the laugh at the thought that Loki fathered offspring in the forms of a serpent & wolf.
That's because we see it through the eyes of 'mortals', not aliens or gods..

Our minds are 'limited', in thought, that's why I love to read. It allows you to open your mind, become part of the story, visualize, etc...

Although, graphics do help with the story.

How did you come to love comics so? Me, because my two of my brothers loved comics. I would pester them with questions, then they said, read for yourself, and leave me alone! :D

Well, as a kid with emerging sexual thoughts.....


I fell in love with comics from my Uncle. My Uncle....is insane. Mother Santiago sent my brother & I to GA for the summer as kids. My Uncle....looks a lot like Wolverine, but caramel. His hair shoots up like Wolverine. Somehow, he & I bonded over reading his comics. We would spend hours just reading his inventory.

I tried to continue that with my niece, but to no avail.

Growing up poor, I loved the escapism the stories provided. I loved how some of the characters, not just some of the black ones, came from similarly bleak beginnings only to make themselves prominent.
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Redd,

I gotta take my break, and do other stuff.

Feel free to leave any other questions, and comments here.
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Well, are you recommending the new Spider Man movie?




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