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Topic Started: Oct 16 2011, 04:32 PM (13,094 Views)
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Cray
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Nov 24 2011, 01:23 AM
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because many blacks think that the struggle is over
The struggle is over. The only thing standing in the way of black's success in 2011 is their mentality. I was born in '65 and have 3 brothers and three sisters, All 7 of us have college degrees and great careers and families. When we brought home a "C" in any subject there was hell to pay because our parents knew the importance of an education that they generally could not get in their childhood. Just a generation before us , there were no college graduates in our family. Black Wall Street is no longer needed. Every black person can lead their own successful lives without the need for a black wall street
To simply say the struggle is over, is far fetched. We may not be fighting overt forms of racism, but sure we are fighting institutionalized racism, our kids are being forced into special education throughout America, mass incarceration of black men, the effeminazation of black men and boys, black women and men forming the mentality of "white is right," unemployment being higher in our community than any other group and the national average. You are just one example, and congratulation on that, but now, we need to establish an inter-generational connection to have more civilized and accomplished black families.
But how many of these black men are in jail and wrongfully accused? How many of these black men arent guilty of the crime? Regardless if we are getting more time (Like some would say, I wouldnt know I dont do dumb shit) Why are you doing the crime anyway? I have to agree with you that our kids are put in special education, I was put there in school. But a black can still overcome that, if they have the will and determination to not be limited. Just didnt want to deal with me. Unemployment is higher in blacks but what were blacks doing to be prepared for something like this? What jobs were they working and with what education to show?
In regards to how many black men are wrongfully in prison, that's like asking how many crocked cops there are. My point is I can't give you an exact number but it has been proven that it exists. Do you honestly think that black and Latino people do more crime than whites do? There is a disproportionate amount of white people to blacks and Latinos in prison for a lot of reasons. Consider the contextual factors; the main one being white skin privilege. Flat out, whites get away with a lot of shit. Am I saying there are no black and Latino people that do not commit crimes, hell no! I am not naive, either! Special education, you are one example of a person who "overcame" special education. The question remains though, why do we have to constantly over come shit? Seriously. Why are all these obstacles put in front of us to do something as basic as get an education? Unemployment, why are a large percentage of white people "occupying" across America? The unemployment rate has finally trickled over to their community and they have no idea what to do about it. Blacks have always felt this way, this is nothing new to us. How do you prepare for unemployment when you are doing your best work, but the company still downsizes and you are one of many on the chopping block? Nothing is made in America anymore! Outsourcing, cheap labor, and flat out white skin privilege wins out over what we can try to attain. There are people with bachelors, masters, and doctorate degrees out here who are unemployed because what ever reason. There are many things to consider before just questioning someones ability or desire. Good points.
But blacks arent being picked up off the street and slapped with a crime. They are doing something to be put in the predicament. Like I have said on here before...."Think about how a basic traffic stop would go"
How do blacks react to cops vs whites. I am not saying blacks aren't victims of racial profiling. Im nto saying they are treated unfairly, but as blacks we do know there is still a struggle and we do know we are treated unfairly sometimes. Why do we put ourselves in shit, why is the race card overused? Blacks cry victim to every thing, blacks also start shit and are the problems in a lot of situations. I hate going to a movie with a bunch of blacks sitting in the back, they will be loud and will be quick to fight when told to quiet down.
Blacks at parties want to fight, some blacks dont even goto parties for fun, they dress in clothes to find someone they beefed with before to fight.
Again, another point I bring up a lot here. Why is it that asians or indians can open a business. They will live in their shop and run it with their family.Grind, grind, grind......
Blacks will open a shop and the first profit they get they buy an escalade on 24s. And they spend spend spend, blessed with a business and no business sense. Black people do not invest, we get large sums of money and spend it on material things.
Yes I overcame my struggled in school but its not hard. Whose fault is it that other blacks arent doing the same? You are right, why should we have to overcome obstacles? That sucks but we do, but why limit yourself and let the obstacle take over you?
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Nov 24 2011, 04:34 AM
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because many blacks think that the struggle is over
The struggle is over. The only thing standing in the way of black's success in 2011 is their mentality. I was born in '65 and have 3 brothers and three sisters, All 7 of us have college degrees and great careers and families. When we brought home a "C" in any subject there was hell to pay because our parents knew the importance of an education that they generally could not get in their childhood. Just a generation before us , there were no college graduates in our family. Black Wall Street is no longer needed. Every black person can lead their own successful lives without the need for a black wall street
To simply say the struggle is over, is far fetched. We may not be fighting overt forms of racism, but sure we are fighting institutionalized racism, our kids are being forced into special education throughout America, mass incarceration of black men, the effeminazation of black men and boys, black women and men forming the mentality of "white is right," unemployment being higher in our community than any other group and the national average. You are just one example, and congratulation on that, but now, we need to establish an inter-generational connection to have more civilized and accomplished black families.
But how many of these black men are in jail and wrongfully accused? How many of these black men arent guilty of the crime? Regardless if we are getting more time (Like some would say, I wouldnt know I dont do dumb shit) Why are you doing the crime anyway? I have to agree with you that our kids are put in special education, I was put there in school. But a black can still overcome that, if they have the will and determination to not be limited. Just didnt want to deal with me. Unemployment is higher in blacks but what were blacks doing to be prepared for something like this? What jobs were they working and with what education to show?
In regards to how many black men are wrongfully in prison, that's like asking how many crocked cops there are. My point is I can't give you an exact number but it has been proven that it exists. Do you honestly think that black and Latino people do more crime than whites do? There is a disproportionate amount of white people to blacks and Latinos in prison for a lot of reasons. Consider the contextual factors; the main one being white skin privilege. Flat out, whites get away with a lot of shit. Am I saying there are no black and Latino people that do not commit crimes, hell no! I am not naive, either! Special education, you are one example of a person who "overcame" special education. The question remains though, why do we have to constantly over come shit? Seriously. Why are all these obstacles put in front of us to do something as basic as get an education? Unemployment, why are a large percentage of white people "occupying" across America? The unemployment rate has finally trickled over to their community and they have no idea what to do about it. Blacks have always felt this way, this is nothing new to us. How do you prepare for unemployment when you are doing your best work, but the company still downsizes and you are one of many on the chopping block? Nothing is made in America anymore! Outsourcing, cheap labor, and flat out white skin privilege wins out over what we can try to attain. There are people with bachelors, masters, and doctorate degrees out here who are unemployed because what ever reason. There are many things to consider before just questioning someones ability or desire.
Good points. But blacks arent being picked up off the street and slapped with a crime. They are doing something to be put in the predicament. Like I have said on here before...."Think about how a basic traffic stop would go" How do blacks react to cops vs whites. I am not saying blacks aren't victims of racial profiling. Im nto saying they are treated unfairly, but as blacks we do know there is still a struggle and we do know we are treated unfairly sometimes. Why do we put ourselves in shit, why is the race card overused? Blacks cry victim to every thing, blacks also start shit and are the problems in a lot of situations. I hate going to a movie with a bunch of blacks sitting in the back, they will be loud and will be quick to fight when told to quiet down. Blacks at parties want to fight, some blacks dont even goto parties for fun, they dress in clothes to find someone they beefed with before to fight. Again, another point I bring up a lot here. Why is it that asians or indians can open a business. They will live in their shop and run it with their family.Grind, grind, grind...... Blacks will open a shop and the first profit they get they buy an escalade on 24s. And they spend spend spend, blessed with a business and no business sense. Black people do not invest, we get large sums of money and spend it on material things. Yes I overcame my struggled in school but its not hard. Whose fault is it that other blacks arent doing the same? You are right, why should we have to overcome obstacles? That sucks but we do, but why limit yourself and let the obstacle take over you? Wow, you are making a lot of assumptions. You seem to be going on a rant here. Recognize this, every group, be it Irish, Italian, Asian, Polish, Mexican, Brazilian, whatever, have their bad apples. Blacks are no different. No one ever said that we are perfect. You seem to be stuck on what you've done, like everyone else could do it. If I had your mentality, I would be criticizing you right now, say for instance on your grammar in this exchange. But that is not my purpose here.
I just want you to understand that these other groups out here such as the Italians, or Polish people recognize that they have these bad seeds in their communities, yet they don't down talk their own people to others or get on a website criticizing them. Since you feel you have "made it" so to speak, why don't you get out here and be a role model and good representative of the community? The only way to combat negativity is to counter it with strong positivity! Stop focusing on the negatives of the community and highlight the positives of it. We have enough media, outsiders, and even a few of our own who highlight the negativity.
Another thing I want to address is, people can do what ever they want with their money. Let someone tell you what to do with your money, and see how it feels! Oh, and buying rims isn't just limited to black people. Miss me with that shit! Your so negative on your own people that you can't even see past it.
So, you only think that "that sucks, but we do?" You are heading down a path of "from welfare to fair well" to the black community, huh? Another one bites the dust! That's okay though, we don't need people who are easily compromised or insensitive to the struggles that even you have to go through! You have let the dominant ideology bamboozle you into thinking "if you work hard, it will pay off in the end because that is only fair!" Continue to grow, get older, and experience a few more things; you will see. Continue to develop your critical thinking skills as well. I think this is a good start because you are having dialogue about relevant issues. But continue to read and study. Understand that opinions are like assholes, everyone has one; deal in facts and not just your personal experiences.
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Nov 24 2011, 05:09 AM
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You speak as though you know me personally, and I never said "I made it" i am far from that I have and do help the community, i worked as a recreation leader and tutor for kids k-5th. I also worked with a program called club mid, where we helped black kids with school work and hold fundraisers to pay for trips that they wouldnt never think of going to.
Right now, I cook for a few people around the area on sundays. Lol grammar nazi, huh. Im typing from a damn ipad and dont care to perfect a post. This isnt an english class and you are smart enough to know what im talking about. I go off not what I have done but what I see, and this may very well be just the people in my age group but even still, these people are the future man.
Blacks dont have the ambitions like everyone else. Not saying we dont have successful blacks. A lot of blacks my age and down are trying to get into the "rap game" or they are going for pro sports. A lot of blacks my age are pushing children or multiple children, thats a major setback. Whose fault is this? Condoms do exist.
You are right I can study, but I also see whats around me and it isnt looking good, we can do alot better than this. Im not negative on my own people, we are talking about black people struggling are we not? Other races do shitty things too but thats not what we are talking about now are we?
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Nov 24 2011, 10:58 AM
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To simply say the struggle is over, is far fetched. We may not be fighting overt forms of racism, but surely we are fighting institutionalized racism, our kids are being forced into special education throughout America, mass incarceration of black men, the effeminazation of black men and boys, black women and men forming the mentality of "white is right," unemployment being higher in our community than any other group and the national average. You are just one example, and congratulation on that, but now, we need to establish an inter-generational connection to have more civilized and accomplished black families. I don't know how to break this to you, but I have three sons. Ages 23, 22, and 8. The two 20 somethings are both college graduates. The 23 y/o is a structural engineer, the 22 y/o is a sous chef working on his master's in hotel management. The 8 y/o is in 3rd grade and reads 3 grades above his grade level. None of them were ever in special education or incarcerated. the things you talk about are foreign to me.
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Nov 24 2011, 11:09 AM
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Trelmorez...I agree with everything you've said. Unlike a lot of brothas in our community we practice the one gift that God gives EVERYBODY with no distinction....thats awareness. You are not alone in your thinking but you are invisible. You are invisible to the media whom would rather report the worst of us to help feed sterotypes that constantly put stumbling blocks in our paths. You are invisible to our own people, who are quick to celebrate baffoonary and lash out at those who try to open their eyes and make them look at themselves. Some of us have eyes that can not see and ears that can not hear....at this point all you can do is lace the. With the truth and if they refuse to listen, don't mess with them until they are. Lead by example to the black community by leading a positive life full of success and opportunity. Eventually, people will take notice and will want to follow suit.
Another brotha went off on this man when he suggested that blacks should find better things to do with their money. He's right and white folks tell other white folks what they should be doing with their money everyday but you don't see people calling into the Suzy Orman show telling her where to go because she said they should invest in a nest egg instead of some rims. Look....you don't want to be told what to do with your money....fine but know this...a fool with his money will soon part ways.
This is why you see most black professional athletes filing bankrupt after being out of the league for 5 years. We as a people can be so much more if we focused out spending power in the right direction. I'm just going to throw this our there, I think most black athletes (former or current) should be the Venture Capitalist of the community. Hell the rapper 50 Cent is a VC...if he can do it, these guys can to and I gaurantee that if they invested in the right businesses and rode them out until they went public, the same way 50 Cent road out Vitamin Water....there will be less broke atheletes in the community. This is the future of the black dollar but if some people don't want to be told what to do with their money....whatayagonnado right?
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Nov 24 2011, 01:19 PM
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Thanks shell, apparently only you kenny and I are aware of this. I dont like being told what to do with money? Yet I dont mind paying more in taxes to help the unfortunate, as long as my bills are getting paid im fine. You cant take money to your death bed so why sit on stacks of it?
Like kenny said, blacks arent being held back. We do that well ourselves, these kids who get into "Rap"? They make it and rap about more poison for these young black kids who see them as role models. Now they wanna do it too.
We dont have any black groups like Maroon 5, Jason Mraz. We instead have lil wayne, and drake......these kids see this fabulous lifestyle and want it too. Parents arent involved like Kenny is with his kids.
Kenny there are special educations they throw blacks into. As soon as you act up in school, they dont wanna deal with you and throw you in there. You are separated from the rest of the classes and you dont have that one on one with a teacher. You are on your own in a class with kids who DO have mental problems, and even they get more attention than you do. Your homework is given to the person who "Babysits" you and dont even know what the lesson of the day is. Its fucked up, it was hell for me graduating, I had to take a class after school, during my lunch hour and get some high school credits at a community college. That was a class I paid for working as a cart pusher at a local grocery store. Blacks need that ambition, I dont think im better than them I just know its possible to overcome the shit thats thrown at us. Blacks choose not to
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Nov 24 2011, 01:37 PM
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Thanks shell, apparently only you kenny and I are aware of this. I dont like being told what to do with money? Yet I dont mind paying more in taxes to help the unfortunate, as long as my bills are getting paid im fine. You cant take money to your death bed so why sit on stacks of it?
Like kenny said, blacks arent being held back. We do that well ourselves, these kids who get into "Rap"? They make it and rap about more poison for these young black kids who see them as role models. Now they wanna do it too.
We dont have any black groups like Maroon 5, Jason Mraz. We instead have lil wayne, and drake......these kids see this fabulous lifestyle and want it too. Parents arent involved like Kenny is with his kids.
Kenny there are special educations they throw blacks into. As soon as you act up in school, they dont wanna deal with you and throw you in there. You are separated from the rest of the classes and you dont have that one on one with a teacher. You are on your own in a class with kids who DO have mental problems, and even they get more attention than you do. Your homework is given to the person who "Babysits" you and dont even know what the lesson of the day is. Its fucked up, it was hell for me graduating, I had to take a class after school, during my lunch hour and get some high school credits at a community college. That was a class I paid for working as a cart pusher at a local grocery store. Blacks need that ambition, I dont think im better than them I just know its possible to overcome the shit thats thrown at us. Blacks choose not to But you do know that white people push Lil Wayne and Drake. And besides Bad Brains got a bit to old now. I think I had a very different situation growing up. I was very interested in computer's when I was growing up I had even started reading PC Magazine, PC World and a few more magazines when I was in the 7th grade. Unfortunately my father wasn't to keen on me getting those magazines (I was doing bill me later). So I was never really led in the right direction.
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Nov 24 2011, 02:24 PM
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Thanks shell, apparently only you kenny and I are aware of this. I dont like being told what to do with money? Yet I dont mind paying more in taxes to help the unfortunate, as long as my bills are getting paid im fine. You cant take money to your death bed so why sit on stacks of it?
Like kenny said, blacks arent being held back. We do that well ourselves, these kids who get into "Rap"? They make it and rap about more poison for these young black kids who see them as role models. Now they wanna do it too.
We dont have any black groups like Maroon 5, Jason Mraz. We instead have lil wayne, and drake......these kids see this fabulous lifestyle and want it too. Parents arent involved like Kenny is with his kids.
Kenny there are special educations they throw blacks into. As soon as you act up in school, they dont wanna deal with you and throw you in there. You are separated from the rest of the classes and you dont have that one on one with a teacher. You are on your own in a class with kids who DO have mental problems, and even they get more attention than you do. Your homework is given to the person who "Babysits" you and dont even know what the lesson of the day is. Its fucked up, it was hell for me graduating, I had to take a class after school, during my lunch hour and get some high school credits at a community college. That was a class I paid for working as a cart pusher at a local grocery store. Blacks need that ambition, I dont think im better than them I just know its possible to overcome the shit thats thrown at us. Blacks choose not to
But you do know that white people push Lil Wayne and Drake. And besides Bad Brains got a bit to old now. I think I had a very different situation growing up. I was very interested in computer's when I was growing up I had even started reading PC Magazine, PC World and a few more magazines when I was in the 7th grade. Unfortunately my father wasn't to keen on me getting those magazines (I was doing bill me later). So I was never really led in the right direction. But again you say white people push lil wayne. But they arent forcing us to listen to it. You can push all you want but that doesnt mean we have to accept it. But its not the white peoples fault that lil wayne is successful and spits that poison to young minds. Blacks are the reason his concerts are sold out, blacks buy his shit. You dont buy he doesnt make it. He doesnt make it then we have less shitty music for other races to stereotype us off of
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Happy thanksgiving by the way, But I know y'all think Iam a Obama freak but after the Cosby show I always felt that the President and family is a great example of a successful black family.But with the lies and hate being put out their my kids are questioning their motivation to be great at anything in America being black. As I said before the blacks that use to stand up for the rights of others and take a bullit for you are no more. Today on CNN they showed a business that said with no shame that thay will not hire until Obama was out of office.This owner is willing to strave his or her neighbor to death because a black man is President. Young folks see this stuff and say whats the use ? So since blacks isn't going to stand up for each other we all try to justify only looking out for me and if your fellow black person isn't making it then you take the attitude as the white folk do that the ni&*er wasn't sh*t anyway.Or we allow someone non-black tell us who we are. If we can't get it together as blacks ,it's because we don't stick together .I have too agree that it almost always take really hard times for people to get off their behinds but with blacks in America it's always been ruff.Even as President of the United States your race can be a problem in your own country. Sticking together an always letting our young folks know thats it's great to be a college grad ,Bank President,Judge,or even President of the United States and stop excepting that this is the way it is because i still believe that we shall overcome.
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Nov 24 2011, 03:01 PM
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I guess the question now is how do we get that black wallstreet mentality back in the black community....at least among black men. I was watching Black In America Silicon Valley and the black entrapreneurs were asking, where is our Mark Zuckerburg?...here is the problem.
1) He exist but the black community is busy not supporting him.
2) He on the other hand is to busy trying to market himself as a black Mark Z....than marketing his brand. People tend to forget that Facebook was waaaaay popular BEFORE Mark Z took it public and people saw his face for the first time. This is the model blacks should follow. Forget this I'm a black this or that...just focus on building your brand and whe it becomes popular and strong, your race won't matter.
White racism and segregation forced black people to work together and that is one of the reasons why blacks teamed up together and built Black Wall Street. I hate to say this but it seems like black people work better under pressure. Today blacks don't work together like we should because many blacks think that the struggle is over. Blacks need to learn from a Jews, they are a very small group of people but they work together as a team and by doing that they're able to own a lot of companies.
I agree with Kenny that individual "success" is possible and accomplished in america. The strong have a tendacy to succeed dispite the obstacles. But the "racist" design is also successful in the suppression of the majority, who are not neccessarily strong. I noted that Kenny placed an emphesis on "family", something that many lack in some form and some lack altogether. Society wants some to succeed, while suppressing the dreams of most. Today we are even seeing the suppression of the dreams of whites who have been successful in education and work hard. We see them protesting all across america.
Society is not oppressing anybody.
Exploiting then; If they are not oppressing, they are for damn sure exploiting. Look up corporate social responsibility and you tell me if that exists in these corporations throughout America. If it does, give me examples (not just 1) of it. I'll be waiting. Correct.
Exploitation of weaknesses is the keyword.
In fact, the first rule of economics.
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