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Loyality and Fidelity
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cisslybee2012
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Damn Right
Dec 9 2010, 08:49 PM
cisslybee2012
Dec 9 2010, 08:30 PM
Damn Right
Dec 9 2010, 08:26 PM
Tayter sure married people can cheat on each other and stay in the marriage. Is getting a divorce worse than staying in a cheating marriage and living a lie?
Damn Right,

It don't make any sense to talk to you because you don't listen to what anybody has to say. You never try to learn anything.

Guys like you play the field but can't deal with the boomerang sailing back at you. :D

You don't know what a relationship is and why you think fidelity is all there is to it. But you will never have only one woman.
I'm trying to talk sense in you alls head, you all are the kind of women that will let men run over you.
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you all are the kind of women that will let men run over you.
Not me. :)

I'm not the one. :)
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Cissly are you sure?
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cisslybee2012
Dec 9 2010, 06:50 PM
tayter80
Nov 30 2010, 07:42 PM
I was having a conversation with my grandmother over the past holiday weekend about faithfulness. Some years ago my grandfather had an affair with a woman who had his child. I always wondered how my grandmother could have stayed with him after such a betrayal. I finally ask her about it and she basically said this, yes it hurt her, but never once during that time did she feel that she had lost my grandfathers love or loyality to her. She told me that faithfulness may come and go in a relationship, but once you no longer have loyality to one another the relationship is over. This got me to thinking, is loyality more important than fidelity in a relationship? Can you even seperate loyality from fidelity?? What do you guys think...
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This got me to thinking, is loyality more important than fidelity in a relationship?
That's an excellent question Ms. Tayter.

And yes, loyalty is by far more important than fidelity. And your grandmother was right to hold onto your grandfather.

In fact, fidelity means nothing at all because all it truly means is that somebody is having sexual relations with only one person. That has nothing to do with loyalty in a relationship.

Say for instance you're with a man whose sleeping with only you, but the man is abusive to you. Would his fidelity be a reason for you to stay in the abusive relationship?

If he wasn't sleeping with anybody to begin with and you come along, he's not going to start running around because you're there. If he had his pants on when you met him, then he'll continue keeping his pants on after you get involved with him, he's not going to morph into something he's not, but that doesn't mean that he intends to be loyal to you. If he's not treating you with respect and appreciation, then he won't hesitate to sell you down river whenever the chips go down. Basically, every minute of your time around this man will be spent kissing his butt, up until the point where you can't take another second of it.

So what would him sleeping only with you mean when under no circumstances could you ever depend on him to have your back? Be in your corner? Remember what I mentioned before about type 3 guys? The scumbags? Most of the type 3's don't sleep around, and that's a fact.

Understand?

Ummm I see Cissly's point here. Fidelty means nothing if you are a good for nothing abusive husband.

But if you are a continuously cheating husband who is "loyal" but does not maintain fidelity... Are you really any better. Cheaters who sleep outside of their marriage are not really showing you appreciation or respect, even if they are "in your corner" and "have your back".
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Damn Right
Dec 9 2010, 07:54 PM
tayter80
Dec 9 2010, 07:44 PM
Damn Right
Dec 9 2010, 07:37 PM
Tayter if your man cheated on you and got another man pregnant, could you still trust him to be honest to you?
It depends on the entire situation. If my husband was sorry for what he did and I felt that my marriage was worth staying in, then I would try to work things out. If I felt that I no longer could trust him then I would leave.
People can open their mouth and say they are sorry for what they did, that doesn't mean that they are truly sorry. If a woman cheated on me I could never ever trust her again, I don't believe that people cheat one time and stop.
That is not always true Damn Right.

People can change , people make mistakes, are you perfect?
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shutupalready
Dec 9 2010, 10:16 PM
Damn Right
Dec 9 2010, 07:54 PM
tayter80
Dec 9 2010, 07:44 PM
Damn Right
Dec 9 2010, 07:37 PM
Tayter if your man cheated on you and got another man pregnant, could you still trust him to be honest to you?
It depends on the entire situation. If my husband was sorry for what he did and I felt that my marriage was worth staying in, then I would try to work things out. If I felt that I no longer could trust him then I would leave.
People can open their mouth and say they are sorry for what they did, that doesn't mean that they are truly sorry. If a woman cheated on me I could never ever trust her again, I don't believe that people cheat one time and stop.
That is not always true Damn Right.

People can change , people make mistakes, are you perfect?
People can change, and people can also lie and say they changed. That's why a lot of women are staying with no good men today, they do wrong and say baby I was wrong I wont do it again, and the woman takes him back.
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tayter80
Dec 9 2010, 08:24 PM
Damn Right
Dec 9 2010, 08:11 PM
tayter80
Dec 9 2010, 08:04 PM
Damn Right
Dec 9 2010, 07:54 PM
tayter80
Dec 9 2010, 07:44 PM
Damn Right
Dec 9 2010, 07:37 PM
Tayter if your man cheated on you and got another man pregnant, could you still trust him to be honest to you?
It depends on the entire situation. If my husband was sorry for what he did and I felt that my marriage was worth staying in, then I would try to work things out. If I felt that I no longer could trust him then I would leave.
People can open their mouth and say they are sorry for what they did, that doesn't mean that they are truly sorry. If a woman cheated on me I could never ever trust her again, I don't believe that people cheat one time and stop.
Well you and I are different. I know that we are all human and we make mistakes, somethimes we f*ck up royally. Have you never make a mistake in your life that you regretted and never did again?
Women are more forgiving than men if somebody cheat on them, if you cheat on a man you can forget it. A lot of women are quick to stay in a bad relationship.
^^This is reasoning is part of the reason why America has such a high divorce rate. Marriage is not always going to be rainbows and gum drops where everything is perfect. There are going to be times where mistakes(I'm not just talking about cheating) are going to happen, it doesn't mean that the relationship is "bad" and you need to throw in the towel. Now if the mistakes keep happening over and over again, then yes let it go...

Oh and for the record I know men that stay with their women after the woman cheated on them so that whole men don't forgive cheating is some bullshit.
Meh I am torn on this.

People do divorce for some of the dumbest shit. And I know people make mistakes and can be unforgiving.

But a lot of women tend to be extra dumb and take cheating men back, only for it to be done again, and men are more likely to not forgive.

Men like to play the field,but they cannot dish out when women do it. Just look at my buddy Mister J who is only supportive of polygyny, but nope, his women cannot have more than one man.

Sometimes divorce can be a good thing, why stay in a marriage where you are miserable and people cheat and abuse your trust. The real problem is people rush into marriages and are not ready for all that marriage encompasses. Like being loyal and faithful to one person.
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cisslybee2012
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Damn Right
Dec 9 2010, 09:36 PM
Cissly are you sure?
I don't know nothing about a man taking advantage of me.

I know about a man trying me, but I'm incapable of putting up with his bullshit. :)

So yes, I'm positive. :)

I'm not the one. ;)
Edited by cisslybee2012, Dec 9 2010, 11:23 PM.
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cisslybee2012
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Dec 9 2010, 10:14 PM
cisslybee2012
Dec 9 2010, 06:50 PM
tayter80
Nov 30 2010, 07:42 PM
I was having a conversation with my grandmother over the past holiday weekend about faithfulness. Some years ago my grandfather had an affair with a woman who had his child. I always wondered how my grandmother could have stayed with him after such a betrayal. I finally ask her about it and she basically said this, yes it hurt her, but never once during that time did she feel that she had lost my grandfathers love or loyality to her. She told me that faithfulness may come and go in a relationship, but once you no longer have loyality to one another the relationship is over. This got me to thinking, is loyality more important than fidelity in a relationship? Can you even seperate loyality from fidelity?? What do you guys think...
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This got me to thinking, is loyality more important than fidelity in a relationship?
That's an excellent question Ms. Tayter.

And yes, loyalty is by far more important than fidelity. And your grandmother was right to hold onto your grandfather.

In fact, fidelity means nothing at all because all it truly means is that somebody is having sexual relations with only one person. That has nothing to do with loyalty in a relationship.

Say for instance you're with a man whose sleeping with only you, but the man is abusive to you. Would his fidelity be a reason for you to stay in the abusive relationship?

If he wasn't sleeping with anybody to begin with and you come along, he's not going to start running around because you're there. If he had his pants on when you met him, then he'll continue keeping his pants on after you get involved with him, he's not going to morph into something he's not, but that doesn't mean that he intends to be loyal to you. If he's not treating you with respect and appreciation, then he won't hesitate to sell you down river whenever the chips go down. Basically, every minute of your time around this man will be spent kissing his butt, up until the point where you can't take another second of it.

So what would him sleeping only with you mean when under no circumstances could you ever depend on him to have your back? Be in your corner? Remember what I mentioned before about type 3 guys? The scumbags? Most of the type 3's don't sleep around, and that's a fact.

Understand?

Ummm I see Cissly's point here. Fidelty means nothing if you are a good for nothing abusive husband.

But if you are a continuously cheating husband who is "loyal" but does not maintain fidelity... Are you really any better. Cheaters who sleep outside of their marriage are not really showing you appreciation or respect, even if they are "in your corner" and "have your back".
That's the way the big picture appears, but it don't work quite that way Ms. Shutup.

When a man is loyal to his mate, he may dip into the infidelity pot, but he's not going to pull that with frequency. Especially if his mate is a woman one puts her foot down.

This may be something very difficult for most women to grasp, especially since they're conditioned to believe that men are in charge, but women have to keep their man in line. She has to have the upper hand in dealing with him in order for him to respect and protect her.

Even in the wild, the females have to keep the males in line because the males aren't rapped too tight. And that factor applies to human females too. And every man needs a woman who he can rely upon to do the right thing whether he's aware of it or not. Whenever a man goes over the deep end on anything, he always looks to a woman to bring him back to reality. Back to his senses. Even if she's his mother, grandmother, aunt or sister. Men depend on women to guide them.

If you will listen to what Damn Right is saying, he's saying what I'm saying now in his own way. Women are not supposed to let men go crazy. But they have to learn how to communicate with men and children. Keep them in line in constructive ways.

So in a case where a man got babies popping up everywhere out of the woodwork, you're right about that man not being loyal because he's not. But just bear in mind that the loyalest of men may dip into the pot at least once, but how his mate deals with what he did will make all the difference in whether or not he ever does it again.

The secret to relationships most women don't know is that she has to keep the upper hand, she has to present her natural born cosmic authority. But this authority most women are unaware they have and often choose to use it to selfish destructive ends because they don't know the power of this authority either. What it can do.

There's not too many men who won't respect a woman who keeps them in line according to natures' rules. Women have the power to stop men from firing weapons at each other. Though men inflicted with bad conditioning from women in having their butt kissed their whole life may be messed up beyond repair. Many are the type 3's who kill women for dumping them, or beat them up for telling them no. But even those ones can be corrected to a certain degree by a woman. The truth is that women have more power over men then men have over men. Women can set them straight or run them amok. And I'm not talking about no vagina. I'm strictly referring to every woman's natural cosmic authority.

Understand?









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cisslybee2012
Dec 10 2010, 12:06 AM
shutupalready
Dec 9 2010, 10:14 PM
cisslybee2012
Dec 9 2010, 06:50 PM
tayter80
Nov 30 2010, 07:42 PM
I was having a conversation with my grandmother over the past holiday weekend about faithfulness. Some years ago my grandfather had an affair with a woman who had his child. I always wondered how my grandmother could have stayed with him after such a betrayal. I finally ask her about it and she basically said this, yes it hurt her, but never once during that time did she feel that she had lost my grandfathers love or loyality to her. She told me that faithfulness may come and go in a relationship, but once you no longer have loyality to one another the relationship is over. This got me to thinking, is loyality more important than fidelity in a relationship? Can you even seperate loyality from fidelity?? What do you guys think...
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This got me to thinking, is loyality more important than fidelity in a relationship?
That's an excellent question Ms. Tayter.

And yes, loyalty is by far more important than fidelity. And your grandmother was right to hold onto your grandfather.

In fact, fidelity means nothing at all because all it truly means is that somebody is having sexual relations with only one person. That has nothing to do with loyalty in a relationship.

Say for instance you're with a man whose sleeping with only you, but the man is abusive to you. Would his fidelity be a reason for you to stay in the abusive relationship?

If he wasn't sleeping with anybody to begin with and you come along, he's not going to start running around because you're there. If he had his pants on when you met him, then he'll continue keeping his pants on after you get involved with him, he's not going to morph into something he's not, but that doesn't mean that he intends to be loyal to you. If he's not treating you with respect and appreciation, then he won't hesitate to sell you down river whenever the chips go down. Basically, every minute of your time around this man will be spent kissing his butt, up until the point where you can't take another second of it.

So what would him sleeping only with you mean when under no circumstances could you ever depend on him to have your back? Be in your corner? Remember what I mentioned before about type 3 guys? The scumbags? Most of the type 3's don't sleep around, and that's a fact.

Understand?

Ummm I see Cissly's point here. Fidelty means nothing if you are a good for nothing abusive husband.

But if you are a continuously cheating husband who is "loyal" but does not maintain fidelity... Are you really any better. Cheaters who sleep outside of their marriage are not really showing you appreciation or respect, even if they are "in your corner" and "have your back".
That's the way the big picture appears, but it don't work quite that way Ms. Shutup.

When a man is loyal to his mate, he may dip into the infidelity pot, but he's not going to pull that with frequency. Especially if his mate is a woman one puts her foot down.

This may be something very difficult for most women to grasp, especially since they're conditioned to believe that men are in charge, but women have to keep their man in line. She has to have the upper hand in dealing with him in order for him to respect and protect her.

Even in the wild, the females have to keep the males in line because the males aren't rapped too tight. And that factor applies to human females too. And every man needs a woman who he can rely upon to do the right thing whether he's aware of it or not. Whenever a man goes over the deep end on anything, he always looks to a woman to bring him back to reality. Back to his senses. Even if she's his mother, grandmother, aunt or sister. Men depend on women to guide them.

If you will listen to what Damn Right is saying, he's saying what I'm saying now in his own way. Women are not supposed to let men go crazy. But they have to learn how to communicate with men and children. Keep them in line in constructive ways.

So in a case where a man got babies popping up everywhere out of the woodwork, you're right about that man not being loyal because he's not. But just bear in mind that the loyalest of men may dip into the pot at least once, but how his mate deals with what he did will make all the difference in whether or not he ever does it again.

The secret to relationships most women don't know is that she has to keep the upper hand, she has to present her natural born cosmic authority. But this authority most women are unaware they have and often choose to use it to selfish destructive ends because they don't know the power of this authority either. What it can do.

There's not too many men who won't respect a woman who keeps them in line according to natures' rules. Women have the power to stop men from firing weapons at each other. Though men inflicted with bad conditioning from women in having their butt kissed their whole life may be messed up beyond repair. Many are the type 3's who kill women for dumping them, or beat them up for telling them no. But even those ones can be corrected to a certain degree by a woman. The truth is that women have more power over men then men have over men. Women can set them straight or run them amok. And I'm not talking about no vagina. I'm strictly referring to every woman's natural cosmic authority.

Understand?









Nah Ms. Cissly

I dont

You are not being loyal if you are cheating!

Understand what I am saying!

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Dec 10 2010, 12:13 AM
cisslybee2012
Dec 10 2010, 12:06 AM
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Dec 9 2010, 10:14 PM
cisslybee2012
Dec 9 2010, 06:50 PM
tayter80
Nov 30 2010, 07:42 PM
I was having a conversation with my grandmother over the past holiday weekend about faithfulness. Some years ago my grandfather had an affair with a woman who had his child. I always wondered how my grandmother could have stayed with him after such a betrayal. I finally ask her about it and she basically said this, yes it hurt her, but never once during that time did she feel that she had lost my grandfathers love or loyality to her. She told me that faithfulness may come and go in a relationship, but once you no longer have loyality to one another the relationship is over. This got me to thinking, is loyality more important than fidelity in a relationship? Can you even seperate loyality from fidelity?? What do you guys think...
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This got me to thinking, is loyality more important than fidelity in a relationship?
That's an excellent question Ms. Tayter.

And yes, loyalty is by far more important than fidelity. And your grandmother was right to hold onto your grandfather.

In fact, fidelity means nothing at all because all it truly means is that somebody is having sexual relations with only one person. That has nothing to do with loyalty in a relationship.

Say for instance you're with a man whose sleeping with only you, but the man is abusive to you. Would his fidelity be a reason for you to stay in the abusive relationship?

If he wasn't sleeping with anybody to begin with and you come along, he's not going to start running around because you're there. If he had his pants on when you met him, then he'll continue keeping his pants on after you get involved with him, he's not going to morph into something he's not, but that doesn't mean that he intends to be loyal to you. If he's not treating you with respect and appreciation, then he won't hesitate to sell you down river whenever the chips go down. Basically, every minute of your time around this man will be spent kissing his butt, up until the point where you can't take another second of it.

So what would him sleeping only with you mean when under no circumstances could you ever depend on him to have your back? Be in your corner? Remember what I mentioned before about type 3 guys? The scumbags? Most of the type 3's don't sleep around, and that's a fact.

Understand?

Ummm I see Cissly's point here. Fidelty means nothing if you are a good for nothing abusive husband.

But if you are a continuously cheating husband who is "loyal" but does not maintain fidelity... Are you really any better. Cheaters who sleep outside of their marriage are not really showing you appreciation or respect, even if they are "in your corner" and "have your back".
That's the way the big picture appears, but it don't work quite that way Ms. Shutup.

When a man is loyal to his mate, he may dip into the infidelity pot, but he's not going to pull that with frequency. Especially if his mate is a woman one puts her foot down.

This may be something very difficult for most women to grasp, especially since they're conditioned to believe that men are in charge, but women have to keep their man in line. She has to have the upper hand in dealing with him in order for him to respect and protect her.

Even in the wild, the females have to keep the males in line because the males aren't rapped too tight. And that factor applies to human females too. And every man needs a woman who he can rely upon to do the right thing whether he's aware of it or not. Whenever a man goes over the deep end on anything, he always looks to a woman to bring him back to reality. Back to his senses. Even if she's his mother, grandmother, aunt or sister. Men depend on women to guide them.

If you will listen to what Damn Right is saying, he's saying what I'm saying now in his own way. Women are not supposed to let men go crazy. But they have to learn how to communicate with men and children. Keep them in line in constructive ways.

So in a case where a man got babies popping up everywhere out of the woodwork, you're right about that man not being loyal because he's not. But just bear in mind that the loyalest of men may dip into the pot at least once, but how his mate deals with what he did will make all the difference in whether or not he ever does it again.

The secret to relationships most women don't know is that she has to keep the upper hand, she has to present her natural born cosmic authority. But this authority most women are unaware they have and often choose to use it to selfish destructive ends because they don't know the power of this authority either. What it can do.

There's not too many men who won't respect a woman who keeps them in line according to natures' rules. Women have the power to stop men from firing weapons at each other. Though men inflicted with bad conditioning from women in having their butt kissed their whole life may be messed up beyond repair. Many are the type 3's who kill women for dumping them, or beat them up for telling them no. But even those ones can be corrected to a certain degree by a woman. The truth is that women have more power over men then men have over men. Women can set them straight or run them amok. And I'm not talking about no vagina. I'm strictly referring to every woman's natural cosmic authority.

Understand?









Nah Ms. Cissly

I dont

You are not being loyal if you are cheating!

Understand what I am saying!

Yes. I understand perfectly Ms. Shutup,

And I'm very sorry, but no man on this planet is going to come to you wrapped in a perfect package. It don't matter who he is, what he is, where he come from, what he's worth, or what he looks like.

No man is coming to you perfectly wrapped. Women have to make their man what they want him to be if what they want is lawful. And fidelity is lawful. And you have to learn how to keep men in line if you want a good and long lasting relationship with a man. And when he breaks the rules you have to deal with him accordingly if you don't want him to break the rules again.

I don't expect you to understand what I'm saying to you because I know it's beyond what most women can perceive, but women who keep their man in line knows exactly what I'm talking about, and they have a fruitful relationship with their man and together they produce meaningful deeds. That's why I write about what I learned over the years into books so that women who want to learn how to deal with men can read them.
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