Nirvana10

Jul 13 2010, 02:19 PM

Nobody mentioned Jimi Izrael, the author of "The Denzel Principle".......who was on the panel and totally disrespected/shunned by the women on the panel (and women in the audience). They would audibily "boo" all comments he made and make counterpoints to all of his inputs.........the reason ? He wasn't rich or famous like the other panelist. Here was the guy who WROTE the book that sparked the conversation and ABC special; and he was minimized to defending himself to a crowd of women who as Sherry put it, "don't know him like that"........disgusting; every woman on that panel will be single......forever. Or they will marry a sucker/ goldigger.

Daisy Dukes

Jul 7 2010, 07:58 PM

Those videos are a perfect example of black females not listening at what
their black men are trying to say. The black females in those videos already
have their minds made up, and even though the men are talking they are not hearing what the men are saying.

Mrsincere

Jul 13 2010, 06:21 PM

Nirvana10

Jul 13 2010, 02:19 PM

Nobody mentioned Jimi Izrael, the author of "The Denzel Principle".......who was on the panel and totally disrespected/shunned by the women on the panel (and women in the audience). They would audibily "boo" all comments he made and make counterpoints to all of his inputs.........the reason ? He wasn't rich or famous like the other panelist. Here was the guy who WROTE the book that sparked the conversation and ABC special; and he was minimized to defending himself to a crowd of women who as Sherry put it, "don't know him like that"........disgusting; every woman on that panel will be single......forever. Or they will marry a sucker/ goldigger.

Nirvana.....I dont think Jimi was as prepared in his responses as he could have been. I recall in one of those videos he was trying to make a point by using an analogy. But the example he used , if taken on face value, sounded kinda ridiculous. When someone uses a ridiculous analogy to make a point you run the risk of your point being lost. The individuals listening will focus on the ridiculousness of the example, instead of trying to get the point being made. And thats exactly what the women on the panel and the audience did when they heard Jimi's analogy. Even when I heard it, I knew immediately the women would focus on the example he used and not the point he was trying to make.

One of the things I didnt like, was all of the men on the panel did the balancing act on a few occasions when they were talking about a particular issue with women. I dont think a man needs to claim "but men do it too" when he is talking about women issues. I find that to be a weak characteristic. I dont know why a lot of men are like that. If they are discussing women issues amongst each other, many men dont have a problem saying whatever is on their minds. But as soon as they have women in front of them, they try to adjust what they say as if they are afraid of getting a negative reaction.

I think this is a problem in enough men. Many men dont stand up to their women when there is reason to address some foolishness. It's also why many male judges administer rulings and laws to be lopsided against men. It's also why a black president will have no problem addressing men about accountability on Fathers Day, but would probably never talk to women about their accountability on Mother's Day. In this society many men are conditioned to fear women. Conditioned to avoid being honest with women.

It's easy to get to the point when you write a book. You dont have anybody ready to pounce on you the minute you say something they dont like. It's another thing to be strong enough to hold the same position and intensity of your message within a public forum. I have a feeling, Jimi's book probably has a lot great points in it. But in an open forum? He may need to work on his presentation much better in the future.

Thats what I liked about Shahrazad Ali who wrote the Blackman & Blackwomans Guide. She addressed men and women issues in public forums the same way she expressed her POV in her books. She didnt deviate or water down her message because she was afraid to offend a gender, panelists or the audience.

Mrsincere

Jul 13 2010, 07:48 PM

Nirvana10

Jul 13 2010, 02:19 PM

Nobody mentioned Jimi Izrael, the author of "The Denzel Principle".......who was on the panel and totally disrespected/shunned by the women on the panel (and women in the audience). They would audibily "boo" all comments he made and make counterpoints to all of his inputs.........the reason ? He wasn't rich or famous like the other panelist. Here was the guy who WROTE the book that sparked the conversation and ABC special; and he was minimized to defending himself to a crowd of women who as Sherry put it, "don't know him like that"........disgusting; every woman on that panel will be single......forever. Or they will marry a sucker/ goldigger.

I got it. In video 3. @ 5:39 Jimi was talking about 3 qualities a woman should be looking for in a man......and then he says, you can find a one legged midget with 3 eyes and if he has those 3 qualities, a woman can make it work. That analogy ended up being the brunt of a joke, instead of the women getting the point he was trying to make.

Later in video 3 @ 7:15 Jimi started off in the wrong direction by making a generalized statement about women choosing bums and men that are fresh out of the joint. Well, I have a problem with that statement, because women who do that dont represent all blackwomen. Not all black women have problems with a man because they chose a thug or a bum. He should have known his statement was flawed since it doesnt represent how all black women end up with men who are incompatible.

Thats why shortly after Jimi made that statement, Steve Harvey distanced himself from Jimi's comments when he turned to the women and said "he ( meaning Jimi ) clearly wasnt hearing what you were saying." Steve wasnt taking the womans side, he just wanted to be known that he wasnt endorsing a statement that was clearly flawed.

I've said this before and I'll say it again......every time a person attempts to make a point but they over generalize or make statements that can easily be shot down, their pov becomes useless.

Nirvana10

Jul 14 2010, 03:59 PM

Mrsincere

Jul 13 2010, 06:21 PM

Nirvana10

Jul 13 2010, 02:19 PM

Nobody mentioned Jimi Izrael, the author of "The Denzel Principle".......who was on the panel and totally disrespected/shunned by the women on the panel (and women in the audience). They would audibily "boo" all comments he made and make counterpoints to all of his inputs.........the reason ? He wasn't rich or famous like the other panelist. Here was the guy who WROTE the book that sparked the conversation and ABC special; and he was minimized to defending himself to a crowd of women who as Sherry put it, "don't know him like that"........disgusting; every woman on that panel will be single......forever. Or they will marry a sucker/ goldigger.

Nirvana.....I dont think Jimi was as prepared in his responses as he could have been. I recall in one of those videos he was trying to make a point by using an analogy. But the example he used , if taken on face value, sounded kinda ridiculous. When someone uses a ridiculous analogy to make a point you run the risk of your point being lost. The individuals listening will focus on the ridiculousness of the example, instead of trying to get the point being made. And thats exactly what the women on the panel and the audience did when they heard Jimi's analogy. Even when I heard it, I knew immediately the women would focus on the example he used and not the point he was trying to make.

One of the things I didnt like, was all of the men on the panel did the balancing act on a few occasions when they were talking about a particular issue with women. I dont think a man needs to claim "but men do it too" when he is talking about women issues. I find that to be a weak characteristic. I dont know why a lot of men are like that. If they are discussing women issues amongst each other, many men dont have a problem saying whatever is on their minds. But as soon as they have women in front of them, they try to adjust what they say as if they are afraid of getting a negative reaction.

I think this is a problem in enough men. Many men dont stand up to their women when there is reason to address some foolishness. It's also why many male judges administer rulings and laws to be lopsided against men. It's also why a black president will have no problem addressing men about accountability on Fathers Day, but would probably never talk to women about their accountability on Mother's Day. In this society many men are conditioned to fear women. Conditioned to avoid being honest with women.

It's easy to get to the point when you write a book. You dont have anybody ready to pounce on you the minute you say something they dont like. It's another thing to be strong enough to hold the same position and intensity of your message within a public forum. I have a feeling, Jimi's book probably has a lot great points in it. But in an open forum? He may need to work on his presentation much better in the future.

Thats what I liked about Shahrazad Ali who wrote the Blackman & Blackwomans Guide. She addressed men and women issues in public forums the same way she expressed her POV in her books. She didnt deviate or water down her message because she was afraid to offend a gender, panelists or the audience.

The male entertainers on stage (Harvey/Hill) had a distinct advantage over Mr. Izrael when it came to presentation skills and rightfully so; public speaking/acting is their (Harvey/Hill)profession. However, the content of their message was weak and superficial. It was as though they wanted to get a laugh from the crowd and promote their books more so than impart revelation. I don't think they warranted more respect or applause than Izrael; because they were playing to the audience and emotionally pimping the women. I think the audience of women had not read his book; and therefore could not follow his analogy. Just about every teacher, professor, or pastor I know of; instructs by using analogies from time to time. However, an individual would have to read/study the subject matter in order to make the connection. I believe the women in the audience did not read "The Denzel Principle" and did not want to connect with a "laymen who wrote a book". Especially when Harvey/Hill were on stage. They came to see the famous Black people talk about their relationship issues. Women feel connected to what celebrities think and say. They followed Harvey/Hill's analogy's because those guys know how to make comparisons sound entertaining and light (emotional pimping - they are entertainers). I agree with the notion that they were not being genuine in front of the women and making a bid to sell their books (Hill doesn't date Black women / Steve's married). Izrael's a real guy; who could use some PR lessons....sure.

Nirvana10

Jul 14 2010, 04:13 PM

Mrsincere

Jul 13 2010, 07:48 PM

Nirvana10

Jul 13 2010, 02:19 PM

Nobody mentioned Jimi Izrael, the author of "The Denzel Principle".......who was on the panel and totally disrespected/shunned by the women on the panel (and women in the audience). They would audibily "boo" all comments he made and make counterpoints to all of his inputs.........the reason ? He wasn't rich or famous like the other panelist. Here was the guy who WROTE the book that sparked the conversation and ABC special; and he was minimized to defending himself to a crowd of women who as Sherry put it, "don't know him like that"........disgusting; every woman on that panel will be single......forever. Or they will marry a sucker/ goldigger.

I got it. In video 3. @ 5:39 Jimi was talking about 3 qualities a woman should be looking for in a man......and then he says, you can find a one legged midget with 3 eyes and if he has those 3 qualities, a woman can make it work. That analogy ended up being the brunt of a joke, instead of the women getting the point he was trying to make.

Later in video 3 @ 7:15 Jimi started off in the wrong direction by making a generalized statement about women choosing bums and men that are fresh out of the joint. Well, I have a problem with that statement, because women who do that dont represent all blackwomen. Not all black women have problems with a man because they chose a thug or a bum. He should have known his statement was flawed since it doesnt represent how all black women end up with men who are incompatible.

Thats why shortly after Jimi made that statement, Steve Harvey distanced himself from Jimi's comments when he turned to the women and said "he ( meaning Jimi ) clearly wasnt hearing what you were saying." Steve wasnt taking the womans side, he just wanted to be known that he wasnt endorsing a statement that was clearly flawed.

I've said this before and I'll say it again......every time a person attempts to make a point but they over generalize or make statements that can easily be shot down, their pov becomes useless.

Why is everyone trippin' on Jimi Izrael ? He's a laymen telling the Black Relationship problem/story. The other guys on the panel can't relate...........Harvey/Hill get instant respect from women everywhere they go (fame/wealth). They have no idea (at least in the last 10 yrs) of what it feels like to deal with these sisters on a "street level". I do and so does every-male blogger here. If you and Steve Harvey were walking on the opposite side of the street; who do you think will get instaneous respect - from women you don't know. Yeah, Jimi needs some PR training but I felt that he was more genuine than the others.

Mrsincere

Jul 14 2010, 07:07 PM

Nirvana10

Jul 14 2010, 04:13 PM

Mrsincere

Jul 13 2010, 07:48 PM

Nirvana10

Jul 13 2010, 02:19 PM

Nobody mentioned Jimi Izrael, the author of "The Denzel Principle".......who was on the panel and totally disrespected/shunned by the women on the panel (and women in the audience). They would audibily "boo" all comments he made and make counterpoints to all of his inputs.........the reason ? He wasn't rich or famous like the other panelist. Here was the guy who WROTE the book that sparked the conversation and ABC special; and he was minimized to defending himself to a crowd of women who as Sherry put it, "don't know him like that"........disgusting; every woman on that panel will be single......forever. Or they will marry a sucker/ goldigger.

I got it. In video 3. @ 5:39 Jimi was talking about 3 qualities a woman should be looking for in a man......and then he says, you can find a one legged midget with 3 eyes and if he has those 3 qualities, a woman can make it work. That analogy ended up being the brunt of a joke, instead of the women getting the point he was trying to make.

Later in video 3 @ 7:15 Jimi started off in the wrong direction by making a generalized statement about women choosing bums and men that are fresh out of the joint. Well, I have a problem with that statement, because women who do that dont represent all blackwomen. Not all black women have problems with a man because they chose a thug or a bum. He should have known his statement was flawed since it doesnt represent how all black women end up with men who are incompatible.

Thats why shortly after Jimi made that statement, Steve Harvey distanced himself from Jimi's comments when he turned to the women and said "he ( meaning Jimi ) clearly wasnt hearing what you were saying." Steve wasnt taking the womans side, he just wanted to be known that he wasnt endorsing a statement that was clearly flawed.

I've said this before and I'll say it again......every time a person attempts to make a point but they over generalize or make statements that can easily be shot down, their pov becomes useless.

Why is everyone trippin' on Jimi Izrael ? He's a laymen telling the Black Relationship problem/story. The other guys on the panel can't relate...........Harvey/Hill get instant respect from women everywhere they go (fame/wealth). They have no idea (at least in the last 10 yrs) of what it feels like to deal with these sisters on a "street level". I do and so does every-male blogger here. If you and Steve Harvey were walking on the opposite side of the street; who do you think will get instaneous respect - from women you don't know. Yeah, Jimi needs some PR training but I felt that he was more genuine than the others.

Nirvana......what exactly do you mean , everybody tripping over Jimi Izrael? Isnt every one here simply giving their opinion and POV regarding the forum and it's participants? Or is there something more going on other than a discussion?

Nirvana10

Jul 15 2010, 03:42 PM

Mrsincere

Jul 14 2010, 07:07 PM

Nirvana10

Jul 14 2010, 04:13 PM

Mrsincere

Jul 13 2010, 07:48 PM

Nirvana10

Jul 13 2010, 02:19 PM

Nobody mentioned Jimi Izrael, the author of "The Denzel Principle".......who was on the panel and totally disrespected/shunned by the women on the panel (and women in the audience). They would audibily "boo" all comments he made and make counterpoints to all of his inputs.........the reason ? He wasn't rich or famous like the other panelist. Here was the guy who WROTE the book that sparked the conversation and ABC special; and he was minimized to defending himself to a crowd of women who as Sherry put it, "don't know him like that"........disgusting; every woman on that panel will be single......forever. Or they will marry a sucker/ goldigger.

I got it. In video 3. @ 5:39 Jimi was talking about 3 qualities a woman should be looking for in a man......and then he says, you can find a one legged midget with 3 eyes and if he has those 3 qualities, a woman can make it work. That analogy ended up being the brunt of a joke, instead of the women getting the point he was trying to make.

Later in video 3 @ 7:15 Jimi started off in the wrong direction by making a generalized statement about women choosing bums and men that are fresh out of the joint. Well, I have a problem with that statement, because women who do that dont represent all blackwomen. Not all black women have problems with a man because they chose a thug or a bum. He should have known his statement was flawed since it doesnt represent how all black women end up with men who are incompatible.

Thats why shortly after Jimi made that statement, Steve Harvey distanced himself from Jimi's comments when he turned to the women and said "he ( meaning Jimi ) clearly wasnt hearing what you were saying." Steve wasnt taking the womans side, he just wanted to be known that he wasnt endorsing a statement that was clearly flawed.

I've said this before and I'll say it again......every time a person attempts to make a point but they over generalize or make statements that can easily be shot down, their pov becomes useless.

Why is everyone trippin' on Jimi Izrael ? He's a laymen telling the Black Relationship problem/story. The other guys on the panel can't relate...........Harvey/Hill get instant respect from women everywhere they go (fame/wealth). They have no idea (at least in the last 10 yrs) of what it feels like to deal with these sisters on a "street level". I do and so does every-male blogger here. If you and Steve Harvey were walking on the opposite side of the street; who do you think will get instaneous respect - from women you don't know. Yeah, Jimi needs some PR training but I felt that he was more genuine than the others.

Nirvana......what exactly do you mean , everybody tripping over Jimi Izrael? Isnt every one here simply giving their opinion and POV regarding the forum and it's participants? Or is there something more going on other than a discussion?

"Everybody's trippin on Jimi" is simply my POV.