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Genetically Modified Foods; Do you know you're eating GMO foods?
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Sep 10 2012, 01:25 AM
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Even if you are, some of you might support him anyway cause you're in-love, scared-o-repubs, etc.

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You kill me assuming I am an Obama-phile just because I've decided to vote for him over Romney. I'm choosing the lesser of wht I see as two evils. For me, the biggest issue is the economy. But the truth of the matter is that neither of them are willing to do what it would take to fix it. But I've still got to cast my vote.

Who will you be voting for?
Jill Stein, Green Party gets my vote.

I'm just saying if you are a rational thinking person, and in your case I assume you are, if you had a mechanic who poorly serviced your car before, why would you go back to him when there are other guys across the street. Expecting the guy who failed you on several occasions to do better, is not the fault of the poor mechanic but the person who chose him knowing otherwise.
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Sep 8 2012, 09:44 PM
Genetic modification is an entirely different issue than domestication or hybridization. Certainly there are crops/plants have have for millenea been domesticated, and for centuries hybridized. Genetic modification is the result of changing a plants genome. This is a science that has only recently resulted from having gained the ability to chart a plants genetic makeup. Unless we're talking some alien scientists who came to earth thousands of years ago, I fail to see how genetic modification is thousands of years old.
We only have to look at the different food being grown today. Do you think the wild wheat that man first started cultivating in the Fertile Crescent.

http://www.ediblecommunities.com/ohiovalley/blog.htm/2012/01/20/a-brief-history-of-wheat/
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Around 8,000 years ago, a mutation or hybridization occurred within emmer wheat, resulting in a plant with seeds that were larger but could not sow themselves on the wind. While this plant could not have succeeded in the wild, it produced more food for humans. In cultivated fields this plant out competed plants with smaller, self-sowing seeds and become the primary ancestor of modern wheat breeds.

Gradually people also made the wheat easier to grow and eat, by choosing the seeds of the best plants for the next years’ planting. They chose wheat with big heavy heads (the part you eat), and wheat whose berries were easy to separate from the chaff and straw (the part you don’t eat).


The question I ask is,do plants generally mutate without man's help? What changes the plant's genome, man, or nature? Why so many varieties of one fruit, say the apple? Was there always so many types of apples, or did man selectively choose the ones that looked entirely different from the parent plant?
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/genetic/cross-pollination-info.htm

I'm thinking that genetically modified plants by man , is a result of wanting a plant to : Produce more fruit, withstand harsh environments,mature quicker, and resist the onslaught of insects. Simply using genetic manipulation in the plant does not mean that it's a danger to man.What are your thoughts?
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Sep 10 2012, 07:39 AM
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Sep 8 2012, 09:44 PM
Genetic modification is an entirely different issue than domestication or hybridization. Certainly there are crops/plants have have for millenea been domesticated, and for centuries hybridized. Genetic modification is the result of changing a plants genome. This is a science that has only recently resulted from having gained the ability to chart a plants genetic makeup. Unless we're talking some alien scientists who came to earth thousands of years ago, I fail to see how genetic modification is thousands of years old.
We only have to look at the different food being grown today. Do you think the wild wheat that man first started cultivating in the Fertile Crescent.

http://www.ediblecommunities.com/ohiovalley/blog.htm/2012/01/20/a-brief-history-of-wheat/
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Around 8,000 years ago, a mutation or hybridization occurred within emmer wheat, resulting in a plant with seeds that were larger but could not sow themselves on the wind. While this plant could not have succeeded in the wild, it produced more food for humans. In cultivated fields this plant out competed plants with smaller, self-sowing seeds and become the primary ancestor of modern wheat breeds.

Gradually people also made the wheat easier to grow and eat, by choosing the seeds of the best plants for the next years’ planting. They chose wheat with big heavy heads (the part you eat), and wheat whose berries were easy to separate from the chaff and straw (the part you don’t eat).


The question I ask is,do plants generally mutate without man's help? What changes the plant's genome, man, or nature? Why so many varieties of one fruit, say the apple? Was there always so many types of apples, or did man selectively choose the ones that looked entirely different from the parent plant?
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/genetic/cross-pollination-info.htm

I'm thinking that genetically modified plants by man , is a result of wanting a plant to : Produce more fruit, withstand harsh environments,mature quicker, and resist the onslaught of insects. Simply using genetic manipulation in the plant does not mean that it's a danger to man.What are your thoughts?
Here are my thoughts. I don't know if the question/statement about wild wheat in the furtile crescent is a question or statement. What I know is that domestication of said wild wheat occured about 4,000 bce. However that's not genetic modification, it's domestication. Any mutation is just that, it occurs without the assistance of mans manipulation, but rather naturally. Selective breeding of crops or livestock is not new, but it's also not genetic modification. To answer your question, mutations in plants, animals or humans does so naturally, without the assistance of man. Variety in fruits or other plants is no difference than varieties of cattle or horses or dogs or cats. Your thoughts on the reasons for genetica modification are reasonable along with other reasons. The dangers I see in it is that no one knows the consequences of eating a tomatoe with fish genes incorporated in it. There are crops modified now incorporating human genes, does that make you a canibal? And genetically modified crops cannot reproduce, meaning you cannot store up seeds from this years crop to grow next years crop. This makes you a slave to monsanto forever.
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However that's not genetic modification, it's domestication.


So what constitutes "domestication"?

Gene manipulation , or survival of the fittest?

Doesn't nature itself, defines the fittest of the animals mate with the females?

If that's true, then why not the fittest of the crops?
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Sep 10 2012, 11:55 AM
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However that's not genetic modification, it's domestication.


So what constitutes "domestication"?

Gene manipulation , or survival of the fittest?

Doesn't nature itself, defines the fittest of the animals mate with the females?

If that's true, then why not the fittest of the crops?
The domestication of plants is one of the first steps in moving towards a full-fledged agricultural economy, although the process is by no means a one-directional movement. A plant is said to be domesticated when its native characteristics are altered such that it cannot grow and reproduce without human intervention. Domestication is thought to be the result of the development of a symbiotic relationship between the plants and humans, called co-evolution, because plants and human behaviors evolve to suit one another. In the simplest form of co-evolution, a human harvests a given plant selectively, based on the preferred characteristics, such as the largest fruits, and uses the seeds from the largest fruits to plant the next year.

The following table is compiled from a variety of sources, and detailed descriptions of the domesticates will be added to as I get to them. Thanks again to Ron Hicks at Ball State University for his suggestions and information.

http://archaeology.about.com/od/domestications/a/plant_domestic.htm

Genetic modification is the modification of a plants chromosomes, which is done on the molecular level which requires modern science and equipment such as the microscope. Which is why it's a new science. Selective breeding of plants or animals, I already mentioned, and has been done for thousands of years. But it's not genetic modification.
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Of all the dangers of G.M. crops the worse is the fact that they cannot reproduce. You must but seed each year to grow your crop. This means you are a slave to the provider of the seed, monsanto. They in addition to holding your virtual life in their have by controlling the supply, which is patent protected, also control price. The fear for any nation is that when they begin with G.M., and over a period of time their natural seed supply is exausted and they are totally reliant on G.M., they become slaves to the provider. This is a very dangerous and insane proposition.
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Also I might add that G.M. crops can cross pollinate with natural ones and thus contaminate the natural ones rendering them useless in terms of reproduction.
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Sep 10 2012, 12:14 PM
Of all the dangers of G.M. crops the worse is the fact that they cannot reproduce. You must but seed each year to grow your crop. This means you are a slave to the provider of the seed, monsanto. They in addition to holding your virtual life in their have by controlling the supply, which is patent protected, also control price. The fear for any nation is that when they begin with G.M., and over a period of time their natural seed supply is exausted and they are totally reliant on G.M., they become slaves to the provider. This is a very dangerous and insane proposition.
That entire post is cancelled out by reality that not one person will have the sole 'seed' and thereby the consumer isn't limited to that supplier's tyrannical-greed.

Yes my friend, I think it's called a C-H-O-I-C-E here, on Earth indeed
Edited by The SOLE Controller, Sep 10 2012, 12:19 PM.
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Sep 10 2012, 12:18 PM
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Sep 10 2012, 12:14 PM
Of all the dangers of G.M. crops the worse is the fact that they cannot reproduce. You must but seed each year to grow your crop. This means you are a slave to the provider of the seed, monsanto. They in addition to holding your virtual life in their have by controlling the supply, which is patent protected, also control price. The fear for any nation is that when they begin with G.M., and over a period of time their natural seed supply is exausted and they are totally reliant on G.M., they become slaves to the provider. This is a very dangerous and insane proposition.
That entire post is cancelled out by reality that not one person will have the sole 'seed' and thereby the consumer isn't limited to that supplier's tyrannical-greed.

Yes my friend, I think it's called a C-H-O-I-C-E here, on Earth indeed
Maybe you should learn something befor you speak. It's called common sense my friend. Those seed are patented if you know what that means.
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Sep 10 2012, 12:28 PM
Patents, have very little effect on mother nature. If you know what that means. If not?

Learn something, before you speak about *free products* of a RainForest being patented by GMF producers.

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