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Does America still have a Race problem
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Jan 20 2010, 09:08 PM
Elle
Jan 20 2010, 09:02 PM
Yes, Europeans were light years ahead of the Native Americans and Africans in language, science, the arts, mathematics, exploration, the building of armies, and expansion. What were Natives Americans and Africans doing during this time to contribute to the advancement of mankind? All they were doing was practicing isolationism and tribalism. My question is why were those civilizations so behind the times? Why was their development so impeded even before the Spice Routes? Many African Americans today can not even get beyond their own tribal mentality.
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Uh oh, are ya gonna preach?! I feel a sermon comin' on now boy. Ya know I loves how you tell it preacher girl.
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Jan 20 2010, 09:02 PM
Yes, Europeans were light years ahead of the Native Americans and Africans in language, science, the arts, mathematics, exploration, the building of armies, and expansion. What were Natives Americans and Africans doing during this time to contribute to the advancement of mankind? All they were doing was practicing isolationism and tribalism. My question is why were those civilizations so behind the times? Why was their development so impeded even before the Spice Routes? Many African Americans today can not even get beyond their own tribal mentality.
Before I present my argument, I ask that you produce a source to substantiate the first sentence of your statement. I'll try to be brief with my responses to your other allegations.

1. What exactly do you consider the advancement of mankind? Moving from continent to continent, enslaving, stealing, colonizing, killing, raping and pillaging is not representative of the advancement of mankind. All of the aforementioned represent crimes against humanity.

2. Isolationism and tribalism? Sounds familiar.....Jim Crow, perhaps?

3. What makes you think that the civilizations that you mentioned were behind the times? The fact these groups weren't traveling the globe, colonizing, and forcing people to pray to their GOD doesn't mean that they were behind the times. They were simply minding their own business.

4. What makes you think that their development was impeded before the Spice Routes (one of my favorite subjects). Asians and Middle Easterns had a pretty good thing going. It was the Europeans that got greedy and pretty much wrecked the joint. I think that WIKI entry sums this up quite nicely.

5. Your last sentence? It's a grand, sweeping generalization that plagues ALL groups and not just African Americans. Have you read THIS article? It appears that White people are having the same tribal, isolationist issues.
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Jan 20 2010, 09:28 PM
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Jan 20 2010, 09:02 PM
Yes, Europeans were light years ahead of the Native Americans and Africans in language, science, the arts, mathematics, exploration, the building of armies, and expansion. What were Natives Americans and Africans doing during this time to contribute to the advancement of mankind? All they were doing was practicing isolationism and tribalism. My question is why were those civilizations so behind the times? Why was their development so impeded even before the Spice Routes? Many African Americans today can not even get beyond their own tribal mentality.
Before I present my argument, I ask that you produce a source to substantiate the first sentence of your statement. I'll try to be brief with my responses to your other allegations.

1. What exactly do you consider the advancement of mankind? Moving from continent to continent, enslaving, stealing, colonizing, killing, raping and pillaging is not representative of the advancement of mankind. All of the aforementioned represent crimes against humanity.

2. Isolationism and tribalism? Sounds familiar.....Jim Crow, perhaps?

3. What makes you think that the civilizations that you mentioned were behind the times? The fact these groups weren't traveling the globe, colonizing, and forcing people to pray to their GOD doesn't mean that they were behind the times. They were simply minding their own business.

4. What makes you think that their development was impeded before the Spice Routes (one of my favorite subjects). Asians and Middle Easterns had a pretty good thing going. It was the Europeans that got greedy and pretty much wrecked the joint. I think that WIKI entry sums this up quite nicely.

5. Your last sentence? It's a grand, sweeping generalization that plagues ALL groups and not just African Americans. Have you read THIS article? It appears that White people are having the same tribal, isolationist issues.
^5...and I thank you sincerely.
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Jan 20 2010, 09:02 PM
Yes, Europeans were light years ahead of the Native Americans and Africans in language, science, the arts, mathematics, exploration, the building of armies, and expansion. What were Natives Americans and Africans doing during this time to contribute to the advancement of mankind? All they were doing was practicing isolationism and tribalism. My question is why were those civilizations so behind the times? Why was their development so impeded even before the Spice Routes? Many African Americans today can not even get beyond their own tribal mentality.
I thought we have overcome this type of foolishness, but as i have always maintain that we need to really teach history not just his story. The moors had to save you guys from the northsman back in the day. How do you think Columbus got over here? Did you know Timbutktu was the world first university? Where was the first Chruch?

Education was universal in Moorish Spain, available to the most humble, while 99% of Christian Europe was illiterate—not even the kings could read or write. In the tenth and eleventh centuries, public libraries did not exist in Christian Europe, while Moorish Spain had more than seventy, of which the one in Cordoba contained over six hundred thousand manuscripts. There were more than seventeen great universities in Moorish Spain, while Christian Europe had only two universities of any value.

Scientific progress in astronomy, chemistry, geography, mathematics, physics, and philosophy flourished in Moorish Spain. Scholars, artist and scientists formed learning societies, while scientific congresses were organized to promote research and to facilitate the spread of knowledge.

The Moors also introduced the manufacture of gunpowder into Europe, which their enemies later adopted, using this explosive to drive them back to Africa.

Have you ever wondered why some people in Spain have some tan in their skins? ;)
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Jan 20 2010, 09:36 PM
Elle
Jan 20 2010, 09:02 PM
Yes, Europeans were light years ahead of the Native Americans and Africans in language, science, the arts, mathematics, exploration, the building of armies, and expansion. What were Natives Americans and Africans doing during this time to contribute to the advancement of mankind? All they were doing was practicing isolationism and tribalism. My question is why were those civilizations so behind the times? Why was their development so impeded even before the Spice Routes? Many African Americans today can not even get beyond their own tribal mentality.
I thought we have overcome this type of foolishness, but as i have always maintain that we need to really teach history not just his story. The moors had to save you guys from the northsman back in the day. How do you think Columbus got over here? Did you know Timbutktu was the world first university? Where was the first Chruch?

Education was universal in Moorish Spain, available to the most humble, while 99% of Christian Europe was illiterate—not even the kings could read or write. In the tenth and eleventh centuries, public libraries did not exist in Christian Europe, while Moorish Spain had more than seventy, of which the one in Cordoba contained over six hundred thousand manuscripts. There were more than seventeen great universities in Moorish Spain, while Christian Europe had only two universities of any value.

Scientific progress in astronomy, chemistry, geography, mathematics, physics, and philosophy flourished in Moorish Spain. Scholars, artist and scientists formed learning societies, while scientific congresses were organized to promote research and to facilitate the spread of knowledge.

The Moors also introduced the manufacture of gunpowder into Europe, which their enemies later adopted, using this explosive to drive them back to Africa.

Have you ever wondered why some people in Spain have some tan in their skins? ;)
You take for granted that she knows who the Moors were. Maybe you should explain that part.
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Jan 20 2010, 09:36 PM
Elle
Jan 20 2010, 09:02 PM
Yes, Europeans were light years ahead of the Native Americans and Africans in language, science, the arts, mathematics, exploration, the building of armies, and expansion. What were Natives Americans and Africans doing during this time to contribute to the advancement of mankind? All they were doing was practicing isolationism and tribalism. My question is why were those civilizations so behind the times? Why was their development so impeded even before the Spice Routes? Many African Americans today can not even get beyond their own tribal mentality.
I thought we have overcome this type of foolishness, but as i have always maintain that we need to really teach history not just his story. The moors had to save you guys from the northsman back in the day. How do you think Columbus got over here? Did you know Timbutktu was the world first university? Where was the first Chruch?

Education was universal in Moorish Spain, available to the most humble, while 99% of Christian Europe was illiterate—not even the kings could read or write. In the tenth and eleventh centuries, public libraries did not exist in Christian Europe, while Moorish Spain had more than seventy, of which the one in Cordoba contained over six hundred thousand manuscripts. There were more than seventeen great universities in Moorish Spain, while Christian Europe had only two universities of any value.

Scientific progress in astronomy, chemistry, geography, mathematics, physics, and philosophy flourished in Moorish Spain. Scholars, artist and scientists formed learning societies, while scientific congresses were organized to promote research and to facilitate the spread of knowledge.

The Moors also introduced the manufacture of gunpowder into Europe, which their enemies later adopted, using this explosive to drive them back to Africa.

Have you ever wondered why some people in Spain have some tan in their skins? ;)
Exactly. She is just proving how ignorant she is with her dumb ill thought out statements. It's obvious that she has never heard of the Dark Ages.
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Jan 20 2010, 09:40 PM
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Jan 20 2010, 09:36 PM
Elle
Jan 20 2010, 09:02 PM
Yes, Europeans were light years ahead of the Native Americans and Africans in language, science, the arts, mathematics, exploration, the building of armies, and expansion. What were Natives Americans and Africans doing during this time to contribute to the advancement of mankind? All they were doing was practicing isolationism and tribalism. My question is why were those civilizations so behind the times? Why was their development so impeded even before the Spice Routes? Many African Americans today can not even get beyond their own tribal mentality.
I thought we have overcome this type of foolishness, but as i have always maintain that we need to really teach history not just his story. The moors had to save you guys from the northsman back in the day. How do you think Columbus got over here? Did you know Timbutktu was the world first university? Where was the first Chruch?

Education was universal in Moorish Spain, available to the most humble, while 99% of Christian Europe was illiterate—not even the kings could read or write. In the tenth and eleventh centuries, public libraries did not exist in Christian Europe, while Moorish Spain had more than seventy, of which the one in Cordoba contained over six hundred thousand manuscripts. There were more than seventeen great universities in Moorish Spain, while Christian Europe had only two universities of any value.

Scientific progress in astronomy, chemistry, geography, mathematics, physics, and philosophy flourished in Moorish Spain. Scholars, artist and scientists formed learning societies, while scientific congresses were organized to promote research and to facilitate the spread of knowledge.

The Moors also introduced the manufacture of gunpowder into Europe, which their enemies later adopted, using this explosive to drive them back to Africa.

Have you ever wondered why some people in Spain have some tan in their skins? ;)
You take for granted that she knows who the Moors were. Maybe you should explain that part.
I assumed she read Shakespeare in high school and will remember he described them being as black as ink; but you know some people do not want to give us credit and try to prevent that the moors were white men with a tan. If that is the case, the people in Spain will not have that color in their gene pool!
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Jan 20 2010, 09:02 PM
Yes, Europeans were light years ahead of the Native Americans and Africans in language, science, the arts, mathematics, exploration, the building of armies, and expansion. What were Natives Americans and Africans doing during this time to contribute to the advancement of mankind? All they were doing was practicing isolationism and tribalism. My question is why were those civilizations so behind the times? Why was their development so impeded even before the Spice Routes? Many African Americans today can not even get beyond their own tribal mentality.
I thought we have overcome this type of foolishness, but as i have always maintain that we need to really teach history not just his story. The moors had to save you guys from the northsman back in the day. How do you think Columbus got over here? Did you know Timbutktu was the world first university? Where was the first Chruch?

Education was universal in Moorish Spain, available to the most humble, while 99% of Christian Europe was illiterate—not even the kings could read or write. In the tenth and eleventh centuries, public libraries did not exist in Christian Europe, while Moorish Spain had more than seventy, of which the one in Cordoba contained over six hundred thousand manuscripts. There were more than seventeen great universities in Moorish Spain, while Christian Europe had only two universities of any value.

Scientific progress in astronomy, chemistry, geography, mathematics, physics, and philosophy flourished in Moorish Spain. Scholars, artist and scientists formed learning societies, while scientific congresses were organized to promote research and to facilitate the spread of knowledge.

The Moors also introduced the manufacture of gunpowder into Europe, which their enemies later adopted, using this explosive to drive them back to Africa.

Have you ever wondered why some people in Spain have some tan in their skins? ;)
You take for granted that she knows who the Moors were. Maybe you should explain that part.
I assumed she read Shakespeare in high school and will remember he described them being as black as ink; but you know some people do not want to give us credit and try to prevent that the moors were white men with a tan. If that is the case, the people in Spain will not have that color in their gene pool!
don't assume. anyone can get a GED these days and go to junior college.
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Jan 20 2010, 09:51 PM
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Elle
Jan 20 2010, 09:02 PM
Yes, Europeans were light years ahead of the Native Americans and Africans in language, science, the arts, mathematics, exploration, the building of armies, and expansion. What were Natives Americans and Africans doing during this time to contribute to the advancement of mankind? All they were doing was practicing isolationism and tribalism. My question is why were those civilizations so behind the times? Why was their development so impeded even before the Spice Routes? Many African Americans today can not even get beyond their own tribal mentality.
I thought we have overcome this type of foolishness, but as i have always maintain that we need to really teach history not just his story. The moors had to save you guys from the northsman back in the day. How do you think Columbus got over here? Did you know Timbutktu was the world first university? Where was the first Chruch?

Education was universal in Moorish Spain, available to the most humble, while 99% of Christian Europe was illiterate—not even the kings could read or write. In the tenth and eleventh centuries, public libraries did not exist in Christian Europe, while Moorish Spain had more than seventy, of which the one in Cordoba contained over six hundred thousand manuscripts. There were more than seventeen great universities in Moorish Spain, while Christian Europe had only two universities of any value.

Scientific progress in astronomy, chemistry, geography, mathematics, physics, and philosophy flourished in Moorish Spain. Scholars, artist and scientists formed learning societies, while scientific congresses were organized to promote research and to facilitate the spread of knowledge.

The Moors also introduced the manufacture of gunpowder into Europe, which their enemies later adopted, using this explosive to drive them back to Africa.

Have you ever wondered why some people in Spain have some tan in their skins? ;)
You take for granted that she knows who the Moors were. Maybe you should explain that part.
I assumed she read Shakespeare in high school and will remember he described them being as black as ink; but you know some people do not want to give us credit and try to prevent that the moors were white men with a tan. If that is the case, the people in Spain will not have that color in their gene pool!
don't assume. anyone can get a GED these days and go to junior college.
:D LOL!
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Jan 20 2010, 09:28 PM
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Jan 20 2010, 09:02 PM
Yes, Europeans were light years ahead of the Native Americans and Africans in language, science, the arts, mathematics, exploration, the building of armies, and expansion. What were Natives Americans and Africans doing during this time to contribute to the advancement of mankind? All they were doing was practicing isolationism and tribalism. My question is why were those civilizations so behind the times? Why was their development so impeded even before the Spice Routes? Many African Americans today can not even get beyond their own tribal mentality.
Before I present my argument, I ask that you produce a source to substantiate the first sentence of your statement. I'll try to be brief with my responses to your other allegations.

1. What exactly do you consider the advancement of mankind? Moving from continent to continent, enslaving, stealing, colonizing, killing, raping and pillaging is not representative of the advancement of mankind. All of the aforementioned represent crimes against humanity.

2. Isolationism and tribalism? Sounds familiar.....Jim Crow, perhaps?

3. What makes you think that the civilizations that you mentioned were behind the times? The fact these groups weren't traveling the globe, colonizing, and forcing people to pray to their GOD doesn't mean that they were behind the times. They were simply minding their own business.

4. What makes you think that their development was impeded before the Spice Routes (one of my favorite subjects). Asians and Middle Easterns had a pretty good thing going. It was the Europeans that got greedy and pretty much wrecked the joint. I think that WIKI entry sums this up quite nicely.

5. Your last sentence? It's a grand, sweeping generalization that plagues ALL groups and not just African Americans. Have you read THIS article? It appears that White people are having the same tribal, isolationist issues.
“I ask that you produce a source to substantiate the first sentence of your statement. I'll try to be brief with my responses to your other allegations.”
-Galileo Galilei, Plato, Aristotle, The Vikings, Peter the Great, Leonardo de Vinci, Emperor Augustus, Queen Isabella, etc. etc. etc. etc. Sources? Available at any library.



"What exactly do you consider the advancement of mankind? Moving from continent to continent, enslaving, stealing, colonizing, killing, raping and pillaging is not representative of the advancement of mankind. All of the aforementioned represent crimes against humanity."
-See above. THAT is the advancement of humanity. Conquering other nations to exploit resources is intelligent and yet a sign of weakness of those who allowed themselves to be exploited.

2. "Isolationism and tribalism? Sounds familiar.....Jim Crow, perhaps?"
-It should, it is your history and your culture.

3. "What makes you think that the civilizations that you mentioned were behind the times? The fact these groups weren't traveling the globe, colonizing, and forcing people to pray to their GOD doesn't mean that they were behind the times. They were simply minding their own business."
-That is what isolationism is. Study China from its beginnings to the Boxer Rebellion until Bill Clinton gave China most favored nation status to understand the detrimental effects of society as a result of isolationism.

4. "What makes you think that their development was impeded before the Spice Routes (one of my favorite subjects). Asians and Middle Easterns had a pretty good thing going. It was the Europeans that got greedy and pretty much wrecked the joint. I think that WIKI entry sums this up quite nicely."
-What was their “pretty good thing”? I need specifics before I can respond. Wikipedia is not considered an accepted source by academia. Therefore, I have to reject it based on the same standard.

5. "Your last sentence? It's a grand, sweeping generalization that plagues ALL groups and not just African Americans. Have you read THIS article? It appears that White people are having the same tribal, isolationist issues."
-YOU just made a sweeping generalization. However, look at your community and the proliferation of black on black crime. I can think of no better example of tribalism other than Al Qaida. The article you referenced is about sports. That has nothing to do with this topic.
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