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Geechie
Jan 20 2010, 11:24 PM
Why is that All-American has to mean White American. Ok, so 'someone' obviously feels like he can't compete with the minorities and wants to take his ball and go home. Dude needs a ball-sack.
Or not. If they can't handle competition as a man, they probably shouldn't be reproducing anyway.
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1. Crimes committed by White people over the centuries is NOT an advancement of mankind.
-Neither are crimes committed by people of color. Why do you keep bringing this up as if this was the only example I offered? There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

2. The examples that you cited do not prove that Europeans were light years ahead of Africans in no way form of fashion.
-Then you refuse to see. You are not capable of being educated, apparently.



3. I am aware of the definition of isolationism. Just because a group isn't out raping and pillaging the globe, doesn't mean that they aren't advancing. Based on your own statements, people don't advance until they've been conquered by Whites. Ick... I'll pass on that one. *cough*EGYPT*cough
-But when a group is not studying mathematics, science, the arts, etc. etc. etc. then they aren’t advancing. Who bought up Egypt? In the present times, they are as backwards of a nation as Chad or Ethiopia.

4. I TOTALLY agree that Wikipedia is not an acceptable source for academics. This was a courtesy to you considering how often you've cited it as a source on this forum.
-This has been the only courtesy you have extended me but, thank you, I do not need it. I read real books.

5. I didn't make a grand sweeping statement. I gave an example of how whites are practicing isolationism. An all-white baseball team? Really? If that's not isolationism/protectionism I don't know what is.
-Not all whites are practicing isolationism. Can you really compare a violent gang to a white baseball team? If so, then let’s further delve into black tribalism; black Miss America, the NAACP, the Congressional Black Caucus, ACORN, BET, The One, Ebony Magazine, blackplanet.com, the segregation of churches, blackvoices.com, public housing, black history month, black fraternities and sororities, historically black colleges, the United Negro Fund, Black Student Union, Black Student Commission, Black Coaches & Administrators, etc. ad nauseum.



I'm not blind, you wrote (see bolded text):
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"What exactly do you consider the advancement of mankind? Moving from continent to continent, enslaving, stealing, colonizing, killing, raping and pillaging is not representative of the advancement of mankind. All of the aforementioned represent crimes against humanity."
-See above. THAT is the advancement of humanity. Conquering other nations to exploit resources is intelligent and yet a sign of weakness of those who allowed themselves to be exploited.




2. I haven't refused to see anything. You have failed to prove your point. By the way, Europe was ravaged by the plague, not Africa. So much for European medicine and technology. Do you REALLY think that stooping to derogatories and insulting my education is the best way to present an argument? Do you really want to go there?

3. Egypt? Ass-backwards? Really? Interesting. I see that the 'good white folks' still haven't figured out their technique for mummification or how they built the pyramids. So much for comparing ancient Egypt with modern times.

4. You read real books? Really? You have yet to cite a source other than Wikipedia on this forum.

5. Ok, I see your point. Whenever Whites exclude Blacks and then Blacks branch out and do their own 'thang', it's tribalism. How rich. Out of 12 months during the year, during the shortest month of the year, students learn something about Black people other than the fact that they came here as slaves. The other ELEVEN months are spent glorifying the crimes of White people committed across the PLANET. Heavens forbid people learn ANYTHING about Black people that's positive.

BlackPlanet.com? Sorry, but it's WHITE OWNED AND OPERATED in Utah. Oh yeah, it was invented by a White guy, too.

You wrote, "ad nauseam" behind the African American accomplishments that you listed. You failed to mention why such organizations exist. FOR YEARS we were denied entry into your organizations and had to create our own. Ironically, you mentioned in previous posts how we need to "stop making up excuses for not getting ahead," but it seems that the moment we do, you complain.

What do you want?



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Jan 20 2010, 11:53 PM
Elle
 
1. Crimes committed by White people over the centuries is NOT an advancement of mankind.
-Neither are crimes committed by people of color. Why do you keep bringing this up as if this was the only example I offered? There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

2. The examples that you cited do not prove that Europeans were light years ahead of Africans in no way form of fashion.
-Then you refuse to see. You are not capable of being educated, apparently.



3. I am aware of the definition of isolationism. Just because a group isn't out raping and pillaging the globe, doesn't mean that they aren't advancing. Based on your own statements, people don't advance until they've been conquered by Whites. Ick... I'll pass on that one. *cough*EGYPT*cough
-But when a group is not studying mathematics, science, the arts, etc. etc. etc. then they aren’t advancing. Who bought up Egypt? In the present times, they are as backwards of a nation as Chad or Ethiopia.

4. I TOTALLY agree that Wikipedia is not an acceptable source for academics. This was a courtesy to you considering how often you've cited it as a source on this forum.
-This has been the only courtesy you have extended me but, thank you, I do not need it. I read real books.

5. I didn't make a grand sweeping statement. I gave an example of how whites are practicing isolationism. An all-white baseball team? Really? If that's not isolationism/protectionism I don't know what is.
-Not all whites are practicing isolationism. Can you really compare a violent gang to a white baseball team? If so, then let’s further delve into black tribalism; black Miss America, the NAACP, the Congressional Black Caucus, ACORN, BET, The One, Ebony Magazine, blackplanet.com, the segregation of churches, blackvoices.com, public housing, black history month, black fraternities and sororities, historically black colleges, the United Negro Fund, Black Student Union, Black Student Commission, Black Coaches & Administrators, etc. ad nauseum.



I'm not blind, you wrote (see bolded text):
Elle
 
"What exactly do you consider the advancement of mankind? Moving from continent to continent, enslaving, stealing, colonizing, killing, raping and pillaging is not representative of the advancement of mankind. All of the aforementioned represent crimes against humanity."
-See above. THAT is the advancement of humanity. Conquering other nations to exploit resources is intelligent and yet a sign of weakness of those who allowed themselves to be exploited.




2. I haven't refused to see anything. You have failed to prove your point. By the way, Europe was ravaged by the plague, not Africa. So much for European medicine and technology. Do you REALLY think that stooping to derogatories and insulting my education is the best way to present an argument? Do you really want to go there?

3. Egypt? Ass-backwards? Really? Interesting. I see that the 'good white folks' still haven't figured out their technique for mummification or how they built the pyramids. So much for comparing ancient Egypt with modern times.

4. You read real books? Really? You have yet to cite a source other than Wikipedia on this forum.

5. Ok, I see your point. Whenever Whites exclude Blacks and then Blacks branch out and do their own 'thang', it's tribalism. How rich. Out of 12 months during the year, during the shortest month of the year, students learn something about Black people other than the fact that they came here as slaves. The other ELEVEN months are spent glorifying the crimes of White people committed across the PLANET. Heavens forbid people learn ANYTHING about Black people that's positive.

BlackPlanet.com? Sorry, but it's WHITE OWNED AND OPERATED in Utah. Oh yeah, it was invented by a White guy, too.

You wrote, "ad nauseum" behind the African American accomplishments that you listed. You failed to mention why such organizations exist. FOR YEARS we were denied entry into your organizations and had to create our own. Ironically, you mentioned in previous posts how we need to "stop making up excuses for not getting ahead," but it seems that the moment we do, you complain.

What do you want?



what more does she want? for her boyfriend to stop giving away his black penile injections to other women. sorry, couldn't resist.
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Elle
Jan 20 2010, 11:24 PM
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Jan 20 2010, 10:46 PM
Geechie
Jan 20 2010, 10:36 PM
Elle
 
“I ask that you produce a source to substantiate the first sentence of your statement. I'll try to be brief with my responses to your other allegations.”
-Galileo Galilei, Plato, Aristotle, The Vikings, Peter the Great, Leonardo de Vinci, Emperor Augustus, Queen Isabella, etc. etc. etc. etc. Sources? Available at any library.



"What exactly do you consider the advancement of mankind? Moving from continent to continent, enslaving, stealing, colonizing, killing, raping and pillaging is not representative of the advancement of mankind. All of the aforementioned represent crimes against humanity."
-See above. THAT is the advancement of humanity. Conquering other nations to exploit resources is intelligent and yet a sign of weakness of those who allowed themselves to be exploited.

2. "Isolationism and tribalism? Sounds familiar.....Jim Crow, perhaps?"
-It should, it is your history and your culture.

3. "What makes you think that the civilizations that you mentioned were behind the times? The fact these groups weren't traveling the globe, colonizing, and forcing people to pray to their GOD doesn't mean that they were behind the times. They were simply minding their own business."
-That is what isolationism is. Study China from its beginnings to the Boxer Rebellion until Bill Clinton gave China most favored nation status to understand the detrimental effects of society as a result of isolationism.

4. "What makes you think that their development was impeded before the Spice Routes (one of my favorite subjects). Asians and Middle Easterns had a pretty good thing going. It was the Europeans that got greedy and pretty much wrecked the joint. I think that WIKI entry sums this up quite nicely."
-What was their “pretty good thing”? I need specifics before I can respond. Wikipedia is not considered an accepted source by academia. Therefore, I have to reject it based on the same standard.

5. "Your last sentence? It's a grand, sweeping generalization that plagues ALL groups and not just African Americans. Have you read THIS article? It appears that White people are having the same tribal, isolationist issues."
-YOU just made a sweeping generalization. However, look at your community and the proliferation of black on black crime. I can think of no better example of tribalism other than Al Qaida. The article you referenced is about sports. That has nothing to do with this topic.


1. Crimes committed by White people over the centuries is NOT an advancement of mankind.

2. The examples that you cited do not prove that Europeans were light years ahead of Africans in no way form of fashion.

3. I am aware of the definition of isolationism. Just because a group isn't out raping and pillaging the globe, doesn't mean that they aren't advancing. Based on your own statements, people don't advance until they've been conquered by Whites. Ick... I'll pass on that one. *cough*EGYPT*cough

4. I TOTALLY agree that Wikipedia is not an acceptable source for academics. This was a courtesy to you considering how often you've cited it as a source on this forum.

5. I didn't make a grand sweeping statement. I gave an example of how whites are practicing isolationism. An all-white baseball team? Really? If that's not isolationism/protectionism I don't know what is.
You have me rolling on the floor with number 5! But you are so on point that it funny!
1. Crimes committed by White people over the centuries is NOT an advancement of mankind.
-Neither are crimes committed by people of color. Why do you keep bringing this up as if this was the only example I offered? There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.


2. The examples that you cited do not prove that Europeans were light years ahead of Africans in no way form of fashion.
-Then you refuse to see. You are not capable of being educated, apparently.

3. I am aware of the definition of isolationism. Just because a group isn't out raping and pillaging the globe, doesn't mean that they aren't advancing. Based on your own statements, people don't advance until they've been conquered by Whites. Ick... I'll pass on that one. *cough*EGYPT*cough
-But when a group is not studying mathematics, science, the arts, etc. etc. etc. then they aren’t advancing. Who bought up Egypt? In the present times, they are as backwards of a nation as Chad or Ethiopia.

4. I TOTALLY agree that Wikipedia is not an acceptable source for academics. This was a courtesy to you considering how often you've cited it as a source on this forum.
-This has been the only courtesy you have extended me but, thank you, I do not need it. I read real books.

5. I didn't make a grand sweeping statement. I gave an example of how whites are practicing isolationism. An all-white baseball team? Really? If that's not isolationism/protectionism I don't know what is.
-Not all whites are practicing isolationism. Can you really compare a violent gang to a white baseball team? If so, then let’s further delve into black tribalism; black Miss America, the NAACP, the Congressional Black Caucus, ACORN, BET, The One, Ebony Magazine, blackplanet.com, the segregation of churches, blackvoices.com, public housing, black history month, black fraternities and sororities, historically black colleges, the United Negro Fund, Black Student Union, Black Student Commission, Black Coaches & Administrators, etc. ad nauseum.

Most of these organization developed before the civil rights movement which is a reflection on the USA during that time. We have certain organiztions because you did not want us in your and it still exist today. i know in GA some Mason got upset because they let some blacks in the white mason; therefore we have Prince Hall Mason. No I am not a Mason!

We have Ebony because Life did not cover black issues and did not have many if not any blacks in them during the day. We have the black coaches because you guys said we lack the brains to manage and it took almost 80 years for us to get a black coach in the NFL after the first who was named Fritz Pollard.
Coaching football is something I know a lot about. I wanted to be a coach but it is hard for a black man to get a fair shot and guess what? This is coming from a guys that have spoken to several coaches who have won several bowls and they were very impressed with my knowledge of the game. In fact, one coach who has been to more super bowls than anyother coach in history was humbled by my knowledge. He adnitted that I had more knowledge about the game than he did.

My favorite topic is Miss Black America. For years, black women were not allowed to compete against white women and I could not understand why not. You mean to tell me that white women are better looking because they have lighter skin, I think not; and in fact your beauty fails in comparsion to a beautiful black woman. In fact, if you really want to improve a white woman looks, put her in the sun so she can get some color in her skin. If you do not believe, why do you guys love to get a tan? :blink: :D
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thank you Geechie. Oh and MiGente.com is also owned by the same company as BlackPlanet.com. See Spot Run is not a real book in academia either and just because you don't understand a country doesn't make it ass-backwards. People should actually visit the countries before they speak about them in a derogatory way.
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This so-called debate is DOA without facts. I also don't appreciate the 'side-swipes' when nothing of noteworthy intelligence can be presented.
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Jan 21 2010, 12:09 AM
This so-called debate is DOA without facts. I also don't appreciate the 'side-swipes' when nothing of noteworthy intelligence can be presented.
Exactly. Some folks just don't have the mental capacity to debate. And if they don't they should leave it to the grown-ups.
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Jan 21 2010, 12:06 AM
thank you Geechie. Oh and MiGente.com is also owned by the same company as BlackPlanet.com. See Spot Run is not a real book in academic terms and just because you don't understand a country doesn't make it ass-backwards. People should actually visit the countries before they speak about them in a derogatory way.
She also did not know that when the Roman defeated some of these countries they tried to wipe out all signs of advancement by these people. In one area they plowed up the ground and put salt in the ground so nothing would ever grow again. That is hate to the max.

You know that story might have be flipped if they had not called Hannibal from Rome. He was on the verge of taking Rome and the world; but his senate called him back to defend home. You know Elle if that had happened you would have had a tan that would not go away. :O :blink: :D
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How ironic it is that 'they' like to play the race card when we start progressing without their approval, validation or assistance. It grates me. They don't want us in their world, and it bothers them when we create our own. Uggggh.
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Jan 21 2010, 12:13 AM
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Jan 21 2010, 12:06 AM
thank you Geechie. Oh and MiGente.com is also owned by the same company as BlackPlanet.com. See Spot Run is not a real book in academic terms and just because you don't understand a country doesn't make it ass-backwards. People should actually visit the countries before they speak about them in a derogatory way.
She also did not know that when the Roman defeated some of these countries they tried to wipe out all signs of advancement by these people. In one area they plowed up the ground and put salt in the ground so nothing would ever grow again. That is hate to the max.

You know that story might have be flipped if they had not called Hannibal from Rome. He was on the verge of taking Rome and the world; but his senate called him back to defend home. You know Elle if that had happened you would have had a tan that would not go away. :O :blink: :D
Heck, look at what happened to the Egyptians! There ain't an Egyptian around that can speak anything remotely close to their ancient languages yet 'English' has been around forever. Thank goodness for the Rosetta stone.
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