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Topic Started: Dec 9 2009, 03:47 AM (1,403 Views)
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Nat Turner
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Dec 9 2009, 07:03 PM
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Man, I never thought that I would hear a person saying that Macolm hurt the civil right's movement. From what you said that your doing, every little thing counts. But you havent done a fraction of what this man has done for our people. He believed in us coming together as a people and stood up for our right's when other were afraid. How would you function in that era. Come on Elle, the reason that you can go to school is because of people like him. If these are poor leaders, who do you feel was most instrumenatal in our progress, FBI Hoover? Give me some names of leaders that you feel helped the movement? You are right on the money, if a person is going to try and knocka Black leader, at least they need to tell us what they're doing to better the Black community.
It's always people sitting on the sideline not doing anything that's doing all the talking.
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Elle
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Dec 9 2009, 10:29 PM
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- BuffaloSoldier
- Dec 9 2009, 06:20 PM
- Elle
- Dec 9 2009, 05:23 PM
- BuffaloSoldier
- Dec 9 2009, 02:52 PM
Man, I never thought that I would hear a person saying that Macolm hurt the civil right's movement. From what you said that your doing, every little thing counts. But you havent done a fraction of what this man has done for our people. He believed in us coming together as a people and stood up for our right's when other were afraid. How would you function in that era. Come on Elle, the reason that you can go to school is because of people like him. If these are poor leaders, who do you feel was most instrumenatal in our progress, FBI Hoover? Give me some names of leaders that you feel helped the movement?
Actually, I'm white. Anyways, Malcolm X publicly criticized and chastised Martin Luther King. Malcolm X was a hateful man, and hated others who were different than him. He was no different than any white man who hated blacks just because of their skin color. I'm all for black people standing up for themselves, celebrating their culture, and uplifting those in their community. However, Malcolm X didn't do any of these. He didn't want blacks and whites to live harmoniously. What is the difference between what Malcolm X preached and the Brown v. Board of Education "seperate but equal" case? They are the same. Also, isn't it oddly ironic that Malcolm X lived his entire life seemingly hating whites, but in the in was killed by one of his own (a black Muslim).
Ok Elle, that explains a lot. You have to remember what era Malcolm lived in. Im sure that there were a lot of frustrations felt by black people at that time. He was an intelligent man and I highly doubt that he would feel the same today because conditions arent the same. You cant judge a person on their actions from an era where blacks were treated like second class citizens. I believe in helping all poor people but I cannot ignore the fact that 9 of the 10 people that are going to need it will likely be black in the inner city. Believe me Elle Im a proud person and I think that all blacks should be self sufficient. We all dont want hand outs. Another thing, if Malcolm were alive today I think that he would forgive the man who shot him because he was that dedicated to the upliftment of his people in those desperate times. I think that Malcolm is as vital a part of Civil Right's as some of the racist past Presidents are to American history. Just because you are white doesnt mean that you cant tell me who you think were suitable Civil Right's leaders from that era?? I understand what you're saying. Malcolm X did live in a different time for blacks in the United States. However, it doesn't change the facts. What he said was still wrong and racist. He shouldn't be put on a pedestal by blacks as a great person who had a positive message, because he didn't. The same goes for Farrakhan. Malcolm X didn't want "civil rights" for blacks. Malcolm X thought blacks were better than whites and thought the two races shouldn't mix. I don't think Malcolm X was vital to the civil rights at all. He is an ugly part of the civil rights movement that shouldn't be praised. I'm white and I know there were many positive black civil rights leaders. Anyone with a brain knows this.
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White Man
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Dec 10 2009, 01:48 AM
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If you're asking me it doesn't seem like black people have any leaders, I can't name any real black leaders out here.
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Seventh Angel
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Dec 10 2009, 07:25 AM
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- Dec 9 2009, 03:47 AM
On the websites homepage, their is a link for quotes by "some of our greatest leaders" (I'm assuming this means the black communities greatest leaders). There are many quotes by Malcolm X and Louis Farrakahan. The last thing I would call these two men are "leaders". Malcolm X hurt the civil rights movement more than helped. He called Martin Luther King a "chump" and was an avid racist. Farrakahan is antisemitic and preaches lies. If these are the black communities "greatest leaders", then the black community has a LONG way to go. Feel better now?
Oh gee, I said all that to black people on a website.
I bet they get pissed off because me a white person offered an opinion, based on my perception of people.
I don't like these black people because my perception of them is negative.
Well I for one I'm bloody surprised. Golly gee. Shocking stuff really.
Anymore insights?
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Seventh Angel
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Dec 10 2009, 07:30 AM
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- Dec 10 2009, 01:48 AM
If you're asking me it doesn't seem like black people have any leaders, I can't name any real black leaders out here. That's a good thing actually, because it means we don't have a uniformed opinion which generally comes about with a Hitler like leader, thankfully unlike whites we don't need to be lead like sheep, and can quite frankly lead our own lives and form our OWN individual opinions based on our own personal experiences. How wonderful.
As it stands you have Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.
And who lead you into debt again?
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White Man
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Dec 10 2009, 01:31 PM
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- White Man
- Dec 10 2009, 01:48 AM
If you're asking me it doesn't seem like black people have any leaders, I can't name any real black leaders out here.
That's a good thing actually, because it means we don't have a uniformed opinion which generally comes about with a Hitler like leader, thankfully unlike whites we don't need to be lead like sheep, and can quite frankly lead our own lives and form our OWN individual opinions based on our own personal experiences. How wonderful. As it stands you have Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. And who lead you into debt again? In the 60's Dr. King was a leader, but today I can't name a leader that Black people follow, but I'm on the outside looking in
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BuffaloSoldier
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Dec 10 2009, 03:40 PM
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Elle, I do have a brain and you can rest assured that I will not try to insult you. I thought that we were having a constructive conversation like adults. I dont think that Malcolm thought that he was better, he just wanted black people to know that they were worth something. He didnt want them to base there perception of haveing self-worth to be based on a white perception. You have the nerve to talk about hate when we could'nt even go to the same water fountain. Are you serious? Im not a racist but Malcolm was a great leader and that's why we love him as you do your forefathers.
Elle, have you ever been forgiven. (It's seems that you keep avoiding the fact that Malcolm recognized his short comings and apoligized for it). Did you not read my response about Mecca and his pilgrimage. How he felt after the fact. Im not speaking for Farakhan but for Malcolm who converted to Al Islam which is a lot different that the Nation Of Islam. You dont like Malcolm because he was not passive and was aggressive towards equal right's. I our people listened to Malcolm so many wouldnt be on gov.programs. Is it your suggestion that he should have sat passiveand allow white people to continue to keep blacks in fear. No No, I love Brother Malcolm, truly a hero on mine.
Another thing Elle, since you have confirmed that you have a brain, can you pleeeaaasssee tell me what leader is up to your standards for the POOR community. There are couple of questions that you continue to aviod. When you respond, can you please answer those.
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Seventh Angel
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Dec 10 2009, 03:46 PM
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- Dec 10 2009, 01:31 PM
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- Dec 10 2009, 01:48 AM
If you're asking me it doesn't seem like black people have any leaders, I can't name any real black leaders out here.
That's a good thing actually, because it means we don't have a uniformed opinion which generally comes about with a Hitler like leader, thankfully unlike whites we don't need to be lead like sheep, and can quite frankly lead our own lives and form our OWN individual opinions based on our own personal experiences. How wonderful. As it stands you have Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. And who lead you into debt again?
In the 60's Dr. King was a leader, but today I can't name a leader that Black people follow, but I'm on the outside looking in About time people stopped following other people period. The less leaders the better.
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Elle
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Dec 10 2009, 05:36 PM
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Elle, I do have a brain and you can rest assured that I will not try to insult you. I thought that we were having a constructive conversation like adults. I dont think that Malcolm thought that he was better, he just wanted black people to know that they were worth something. He didnt want them to base there perception of haveing self-worth to be based on a white perception. You have the nerve to talk about hate when we could'nt even go to the same water fountain. Are you serious? Im not a racist but Malcolm was a great leader and that's why we love him as you do your forefathers.
Elle, have you ever been forgiven. (It's seems that you keep avoiding the fact that Malcolm recognized his short comings and apoligized for it). Did you not read my response about Mecca and his pilgrimage. How he felt after the fact. Im not speaking for Farakhan but for Malcolm who converted to Al Islam which is a lot different that the Nation Of Islam. You dont like Malcolm because he was not passive and was aggressive towards equal right's. I our people listened to Malcolm so many wouldnt be on gov.programs. Is it your suggestion that he should have sat passiveand allow white people to continue to keep blacks in fear. No No, I love Brother Malcolm, truly a hero on mine.
Another thing Elle, since you have confirmed that you have a brain, can you pleeeaaasssee tell me what leader is up to your standards for the POOR community. There are couple of questions that you continue to aviod. When you respond, can you please answer those. 1. "I dont think that Malcolm thought that he was better, he just wanted black people to know that they were worth something." -I disagree. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
2. "You have the nerve to talk about hate when we could'nt even go to the same water fountain. Are you serious? Im not a racist but Malcolm was a great leader and that's why we love him as you do your forefathers." -So basically you are saying that because some whites were racist that it makes it ok for Malcolm X to be racist as well? Two wrongs don't make a right. OUR (all Americans) forefathers were genuises and created the best nation on earth. It's hard to compare that to Malcolm X. Just saying.
3. I recognize you believe Malcolm X "changed his ways". However, I'm sure black people don't only look up to him for what he did/said after he "changed". I'm sure many of the blacks who praise him, are praising his hateful attitude towards whites. This is wrong.
4. "You dont like Malcolm because he was not passive and was aggressive towards equal right's." -Wrong. For the tenth time, I dislike Malcolm because he was a racist lunatic. Martin Luther King was aggressive (and did more for civil rights than Malcolm X) and I admire him.
5. "pleeeaaasssee tell me what leader is up to your standards for the POOR community" -I'm not quite sure why this is so important to you, but I'll be glad to answer. Any person who rises up from their circumstances to better themselves is a leader for the poor community. My personal favorites? Clarence Thomas and Condolezza Rice. Both are from poor rural southern families. Look where they are today. If they aren't inspiring, I don't know who is.
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Elle
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Dec 10 2009, 05:46 PM
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- Dec 9 2009, 03:47 AM
On the websites homepage, their is a link for quotes by "some of our greatest leaders" (I'm assuming this means the black communities greatest leaders). There are many quotes by Malcolm X and Louis Farrakahan. The last thing I would call these two men are "leaders". Malcolm X hurt the civil rights movement more than helped. He called Martin Luther King a "chump" and was an avid racist. Farrakahan is antisemitic and preaches lies. If these are the black communities "greatest leaders", then the black community has a LONG way to go.
Feel better now? Oh gee, I said all that to black people on a website. I bet they get pissed off because me a white person offered an opinion, based on my perception of people. I don't like these black people because my perception of them is negative. Well I for one I'm bloody surprised. Golly gee. Shocking stuff really. Anymore insights? Wow, I love your analysis of what you believe is going on in my brain. Unfortunately for you, you are completely wrong.
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