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Health care------is FREE in most countries; So why do Americans have to pay
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Nov 23 2009, 10:26 PM
I WATCHED THE INTERVIEW. and if you listen to what he said and not engage into the interpretation from the news...you will her him say that. Yes it is considered mandatory but he definitely was referring to those trying to milk the system when it came to punishment.
I'm going to go and find an article on it, and I will bring it back to this board.
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Nov 23 2009, 10:28 PM
either way American are going to complain. If we did like Canada and boost the price and convenient items then people will complain...raise taxes people complain...That is why we never get anything accomplished
Some people can't afford health care, and they shouldn't be fined for not being able to buy health care. Something is very wrong with that picture.
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Well that is a problem the government will soon encounter in due time. But i am sure the people who can not afford will be granted benefits in some way, whatever it may be.
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Nov 23 2009, 10:46 PM
Well that is a problem the government will soon encounter in due time. But i am sure the people who can not afford will be granted benefits in some way, whatever it may be.
When it comes to health care, we can't be guessing on what's going to happen to people that can't afford it. That needs to be spelled out before any bill is passed.
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Here is an article on Obama Health Care Bill being mandortory, or you will have to pay a fine.


Health Bill: Fines Up to $3,800 for Failing to Get Mandatory Health Insurance and 35 percent excise tax on insurance. This is just 2 things in the health bill? Do You Want this?

Families who fail to get health insurance could be fined up to $3,800 under a health care reform plan proposed by a top Senate negotiator.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., who as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee is leading talks among the "Gang of Six" senators to hammer out a bipartisan compromise, offered what he described on Tuesday as a "framework" and not a "final product."

But the detailed proposal comes just days ahead of a self-imposed Sept. 15 deadline for such a deal. Baucus is pushing his committee members hard to hammer out a bill, and those details come as strong suggestions.

Baucus has set a deadline of 10 a.m. Wednesday morning for fellow members of the bipartisan group to offer "specific proposals" for a compromise bill. He made clear "time is running out" to get a deal.

"The rubber is starting to meet the road....We're not going to dawdle," Baucus told FOX News Tuesday evening.

"Time is running out very quickly. I suspect I'll be making some decisions very quickly," said Baucus, who added that he would like to have something to give to Obama before the tomorrow night's speech to the joint session of Congress.

Baucus says he does not think the lack of a public option at all endangers the bill or its support with members of his party.

"Over the next week or so, the Finance Committee will move forward with health care reform."

"We very much want a bipartisan agreement," Baucus said. "To get a proposal out of the Finance Committee, it cannot have a public option."

The framework of Baucus' proposal, a copy of which was obtained by FOX News, includes what amounts to a no-choice option. It would make health insurance mandatory, like auto insurance.

The plan would provide tax credits to help small employers and help cover the cost for households making up to three times the federal poverty level. That's about $66,000 for a family of four, and $32,000 for an individual.

Those who still don't sign up would face hefty fines, starting at $750 a year for individuals and $1,500 for families -- for those making up to three times the poverty level.

For those who make more than that, the penalty on individuals would jump to $950 and the penalty on families would jump to $3,800.

There would be a few exemptions, including for Native Americans and for those making incomes below the federal poverty level.

The plan does not include a government-run health insurance plan to soften the blow of the coverage mandate.

Instead, Baucus opts for a system of non-profit cooperatives, as part of a broader health insurance exchange.

As a way to pay for the package, estimated to cost under $900 billion over 10 years, Baucus is proposing a 35 percent excise tax on insurance companies for high-cost plans -- defined as those above $8,000 for individuals and $21,000 for family plans.

The Senate Finance Committee is meeting Tuesday, as President Obama prepares to deliver a high-stakes speech to both chambers of Congress Wednesday night in a bid to invigorate the push for reform.

Four committees have already passed their bills; Baucus' panel is the only one yet to act. His committee's bill is also the only one that could be considered bipartisan.

Baucus hits major elements in his plan that other top Democrats say are important. His plan would require health insurance plans to guarantee coverage and would prohibit them from excluding coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

Premiums would be allowed to vary based only on tobacco use, age and size of family.

But the fines pose a dilemma for Obama. As a candidate, the president campaigned hard against making health insurance a requirement, saying it's too expensive to mandate. White House officials have since backed away somewhat from that stance, but there's no indication that Obama would support fines.
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+4 raves ♥Nicole~M♥ Sep. 10
Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

Forcing all companies to pay and offer insurance to their employees will result in failed business after business from not being able to afford it. Then on top of that you will have a 35% tax on private insurance companies to pay for the free healthcare for people who havent earned it. On top of that if you cant afford healthcare you will get fined up to $3800! I almost couldnt afford insurance this year and was going to cancel it. Well under this bill if I got caught without it I would have been fined $3800! I am a family of 5 so I would have paid the maximum. Lets see if they add imprisonment to it!

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Freedom Mom Sep. 18 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

This is BS! When the Obama lovers, have to start paying, I wonder if, they still, like him then?.
clevlandrockz Sep. 12 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

But he's giving you a choice, PAY, PAY, PAY, or drink the kool-aid.
Freedom... to clevlan... Sep. 18 Clevland, you, go that right! Amen.
Don Sep. 12 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

The Feds. WANT you to loose your current coverages..This way,they CONTROL YOU!!!
Once the govt. gets INTO your life,You CAN'T get them out.I Know!!!I went thru a divorce,custody,support,ETC...
TG I won in court,but every time My X gets into trouble,I get investigated.She got caught doing Coke,They Questioned Me?Wanted to know if I used,and then wanted to question my WHOLE family(new after divorce).
I get CHS calls,letters,walk-ups all the time.I am a CDL Driver,I get drug tested all the time.They know it.I am not THAT STUPID to do dope.Loose my CDL and My Kids?
RIIIIIIGHT!!!I argue with them every time.but they keep coming back.So,if you think they won't interfer with Your Lives,once they are in the door,Be Real.
+1 raves Tyrone Sep. 11 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

And this is being hidden from us so the bill will pass.
Kiosk Kid Sep. 11 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

Many wealthy young people self insure. What would Michael Jackson want with health insurance?

What about base ball players that have team doctors?
It sounds like another Liberal one size fits all big government.
Sheila Sep. 11 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

That's a great plan...........(sarcasm dripping from my voice).......I can't afford another monthly bill, but I will be able to afford the fine.

Just the start my friends.....
7th Planet Sep. 11 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

And to think we thought Politicians in Washington had a brain!!! What was I thinking!!!
+1 raves what the Sep. 11 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

That makes sense.
People can't afford health insurance so they don't sign up. Obama fines them to penalize them for not buying what they can't afford.
Same logic as loaning yourself money to get out of debt.
Typical left wing blow job logic.
+1 raves darlene Sep. 11 Answered: YES because obama said so.

I volunteered for over a decade with a local church food bank. These people will not be able to pay this socialist mandated tariff. They can't even keep food on their table. The end result will be comparable to part B medicare an ever rising insurance premium!
+1 raves kormster Sep. 11 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

All of their plans stink. There are so many ideas out there that are so much better. The best part is they have no more gov involvement then they have now and will not cost us trillions of dollars either. But since none of these plans make the Dems look like the heroes of the working man the dems will not even hear them.
+1 raves 7th Planet to kormster Sep. 11 The politicians in Washingtonare the "plantation owners!!!"
kormster to 7th Planet Sep. 11 And I know what you are talking about!
April Sep. 10 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

Framework, is a good start.

Pre-existing exclusions, Great start.

Tax-credits for small employers, Good.

Fines for people who expect me to pay for their healthcare when they CAN afford it, and CHOOSE not to.
O.K. i can accept that.

Tax Credit for the poor, O.K. Just make sure that they use it for health insurance and not new cars or cell-phones.

Non-Profit co-op, NO. This will just lead to all government -run healthcare. The private-insurers will go bankrupt, and we will all be stuck on a govt.-run plan. HUGE GOVERNMENT!

What about Tort-Reform? I guess President Obama addressed this in his speech last night, right? Will it be done?

Now, we just need to make sure that illegal aliens have to prove Citizenship or Legal Residence.

Oh, I think we may have come up with a Bi-Partisian bill!

Did I forget anything? If the Whitehouse is on Facebook & Twitter, WHY wouldn't they be on Sodahead?
clevlan... to April Sep. 12 No way will they even talk about Tort-Reform, way to much money. Here is the reason Government does not want it.

I sue a doctor for 10 million because I didn't take care of my simple hang nail procedure and it got infected (I'm being sarcastically dramatic). The doctor doesn't have the 10mil so the insurance gives it to him, the IRS sees this as income and taxes it. The IRS then taxes me again on the same 10 mil. I pay the lawyer 4 mil and he pays taxes on that, it goes on and on. It's easy to see how much the government collects from these silly suits.
April to clevlan... Sep. 12 I completely agree.
The government or I.R.S., one in the same, has too much to benefit from this. Including the fact, that alot of the lawMAKERS are lawyers. They don't want to hurt their fellow comrades' pockets. This is the same reason why we need to clean up Washington.
+2 raves Jules Sep. 10 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

America may be a Republic.....BUT it is starting to become one in name only. Crap like this health care bill is only more proof.
clevlan... to Jules Sep. 13 Obama doesn't think we're a Republic. Watch his speech? He said of all the Democracies we pay the most for health care.
Jules to clevlan... Sep. 14 I know. Scary huh.

The reason we may pay more is (so far) we do not kill off the disabled and anyone who is too costly to cover. You can bet costly people will be at risk under his plan.
+1 raves clevlan... to Jules Sep. 17 Right. In Socialist countries they kill off those who are unable to work. In the US we protect the old and wise and learn from them.
+1 raves jennifer1969 Sep. 10 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

no way, it just goes to show how brainwashed many have become.
NO NAME Sep. 10 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

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Asher Sep. 10 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

just one of the many BS parts of the bill obummer and peloski is trying to ram down
+1 raves alleyoop 'American' Sep. 10 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

They compare this requirement to auto insurance. Is there any requirement to buy "comprehensive" auto insurance, to pay for your own losses in case of an accident? I THINK NOT! The only requirement that I know about is to insure yourself for LIABILITIES in case you cause damage to OTHER people's property.
Why should we be forced to purchase something that will only affect ourselves?
+2 raves sadie100~In God we trust~ Sep. 10 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

They will just hurt the poor, because they do not have the money for insurance!! So fine them, because they are poor, unbelievable!!
+1 raves Liberty+Freedom Sep. 10 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

It's time to take back the country.2010 could not get here fast enough.Unbelievable.
+4 raves ♥Nicole~M♥ Sep. 10 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

Forcing all companies to pay and offer insurance to their employees will result in failed business after business from not being able to afford it. Then on top of that you will have a 35% tax on private insurance companies to pay for the free healthcare for people who havent earned it. On top of that if you cant afford healthcare you will get fined up to $3800! I almost couldnt afford insurance this year and was going to cancel it. Well under this bill if I got caught without it I would have been fined $3800! I am a family of 5 so I would have paid the maximum. Lets see if they add imprisonment to it!

bobofloblaws Sep. 10 Answered: No! Are they crazy! $3,800 fine for getting caught without health insurance? Then taxing our insurance by 35%? That would force Americans to lose their current insurance.

the rich get richer, the poor get the shaft

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anyone an copy and paste...what did you interpret out of that. Like i said...either way people are going to complain. if we do what Canada is doing, people are going to complain about higher prices. and it says it
"The plan would provide tax credits to help small employers and help cover the cost for households making up to three times the federal poverty level. That's about $66,000 for a family of four, and $32,000 for an individual."
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If there is no Public Option in the Health Care Bill, then it's no reform at all. It's the same old mess with a different name.
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What other choice do we have????????
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Nov 24 2009, 01:52 AM
What other choice do we have????????
They shouldn't pass any bill without a public option, because you need something to make the insurance companies act right. They're not going to do right on their own.
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now that is true. these insurance companies are very greedy especially with HMO deals for the Docs.
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