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Ultimecia Theories....
Topic Started: Aug 25 2008, 06:08:25 AM (1,942 Views)
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Just thought this might be interesting to discuss! Who do you think Ultimecia really is?

There a numerous different theories out there, but which do you think is true? Which is coolest? Which is worse? Do you have you own?

For me;

I don't have my own, but I think both the most interesting, and plausible, is the Ultimecia/Rinoa theory.

This states that due to her powers, Rinoa is eventually disgarded by everyone except her friends. Then Squall and the gang either perish whilst defending her, or turn into the Bossess in the castle (which could be seen as GFs, Squall becoming Griever for example).

She is then left in soltitude, and slowly fills with hate because of what happened. Over time, this pure hatred consumes her, and becomes Ultimecia.

To me, this also explains the weak and frail looking girl at the base of Ultimecia's final form. The girl is all that is left of Rinoa's original self...
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The Ultimecia/Rinoa theory is the most discussed theory out of the lot. I've made sure to avoid that completely in my game, because of a time-paradox warp thing that would make Ultimecia too hard to beat; because if Ultimecia has Rinoa's powers, then she has Adel's, Edea's, and Ultimecia's; which would make her all-powerful (which she is not). Her face and Ultimecia's are also very different, Rinoa's face is more round and softly shaped, while Ultimecia's tapers more and has more of a pointy chin. There is also the fact that Ultimecia tried to kill Rinoa on two occasions; Disc 1 with the sacrifice to the Igiouns, and Disc 3 with space.


However I did have a few theories myself, such as Ultimecia/Quistis: it's not ever actually said that Quistis and/or Selphie can't be submitted to embodiment; Ultimecia just chose Rinoa because her powers were greater. Quistis's face also is very similar to Ultimecia's. However I personally believe that Ultimecia is in the far-future, compared to the general present.

I never noticed a girl at the base of Ultimecia's final form; I'll have to look closer on this playthrough :P. I've only ever fought Ultimecia once.

However there is the interesting fact that although Ultimecia tried to kill Rinoa twice, she injured Squall and then saved his life afterwards. She could've easily just killed him and interrogated the rest of the group, but she left him alive, and if she was Rinoa, she would've known that he would kill her in the future (another paradox to the Ultimecia/Rinoa theory, because she would've known everything that would happen, unless her mind was wiped by GF's; a plausible theory).
Ack, I'm rambling. This is why I'm making the sequel, to tie up the loose knots, (except for the Ultimecia/Rinoa theory, which, in my game, is almost completely demolished, so it is kind of tied up, I guess)
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I agree it is bar far the most talked about one, but I think it iffers a very interesting idea, following the tragic love story idea, such a Julia and Laguna, Raine and Laguna, and to a much less extent, Quistis' original "love" for Squall. Oh, and the whole Rinoa loving Siefer at first and then first thinking he was dead, then having to fight him...

As for Ultimecia being Quistis... I had never thought about it... She does fit the sort of lonely person longing for someone (in my opinion) so it could be plausible... And then the whole saving Squall's life could be said to have happened due to some residual "motherly instinct" over him...

Of course, then there's also the fact that she would know what would happen as well...

Another theory I read once is that Ultimecia could have just been a normal girl who inheritted sorceress powers in the near future or present day. Then, due to the hype of the Sorceress attacks and take over of Galbadia etc... People grow to hate sorcerresses even more.

Then this innocent, little girl grows up as a Sorceress, with even treating her horridly, and fearing her to be Ultimecia. She is disgarded by society, and her pain and torment turn to anger and rage, equating to the following sort of sentence:

"You want me to be Ultimecia? Fine! Then as of today, I am Ultimecia!"

Thus, Ultimecia is born through the fear of Ultimecia created by SeeD and Garden, as well as the rest of the world, and of her future selfs actions...

This also fits the tragic style of some of FFVIII's events ^_^
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Yeah, I've always liked the theory "it's just a normal girl who got the powers". That could also explain Ultimecia's seeming "grudge" towards Rinoa, since the girl may have inherrited the powers off of Rinoa.
Though it still doesn't explain why she would save Squall, unless she had an exterior motive or something...
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I think I just like the tragic theories :$

I shall attempt to find some more theories after work (as well as sorting out any updates for this place, and working on the "art trade" story I am writing (someone wanted a story written for them, and offered me a custom Rinoa pic for doing it ^_^ ) )
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Wish someone would give me custom stuff for stories :(. It'd be great to test my skills (since I want to be an author :D).
I've had a few theories in my time, and I even got theories from writing out the plot for FF8-2 (how the hell does that happen >:(). I personally think fans focused too much on the whole Ultimecia thing and didn't seem to care about the dude who managed to blow up my entire party without much hassle while Ultimecia didn't.
I was kind of surprised when Squall didn't say anything when it turned up... I mean, it's always got the same name as his ring (which is why some people name it rude things so Ultimecia will junction herself to them :/)
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Offtopic: Post your stories on dA and people may ask you to write for them in exchange for something ^_^ (i also recommend looking around and "watching" people who you like the works off, as it will increase the chance of people reading said stories. hope you don't mind me saying that ^_^)

And I agree, it was wierd that Squall didn't react to it... What theories did you come up with whilst on VIII-2?
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With the Ultimecia\Average Girl theory I think I have an idea why she did not kill Squall when she had the chance.

With the whole future paradox thing going on, Ultimecia may have known all along that Squall would be the person who defeated her, and that she in the end wanted that to happen. All the trials that Squall faces throughout the game could have been engineered by Ultimecia to ensure that Squall would be powerful enough to end her reign of terror.

This theory relies mainly on the idea that deep down inside of Ultimecia's hatred filled soul there is still a little girl who fears what she has become and wants it to end. This would support why she never killed Squall because she see's Squall as the person who will bring about her end and free the little girl inside of her.
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That's a really nice idea! Not sure how much it fits into Ultimecia's character (unless it's subconscious) but it would definitely make an interesting character story for her!

It could make sense if, as I mentioned, it was happening unconsciously, as it doesn't appear that, in game, she has any desire to be killed... However, I like it! ^_^
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Ultimecia theories I came up with while working on FFVIII-2's story... hmm, for some reason I can't remember. I was sure I had a few :/.
Damn GF's :D.

However the reason why Ultimecia didn't kill Squall is blatantly told in FFVIII-2.

[shh]McTricky, don't tell them![/shh]
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