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Topic Started: March 19, 2017, 8:54 am (2,104 Views)
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Keith
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March 26, 2017, 8:28 pm
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Approved! Welcome!
Ygg, I saw you asking about needing approval before joining and the answer is no. If there's something that needs to be changed I'll let you know but consider anything auto-approved. I trust people not to deliberately make Gods just yet.
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BESTIARY Deku Baba Deku Scrub Moblin Bulblin Bokoblin Fairy Iron Knuckle
WORLD NOTES World Notes: -Zora are nearly extinct after being slaughtered by Ganon, any Zora characters will be among the last of their kind. Domain is still frozen -Kokiri have scattered into the Lost Woods due to Moblin aggression -Castle Town has been reclaimed and is rebuilding but lacks cohesive leadership -Link and Zelda never returned after defeating Ganon, and the only thing that remains of his castle is the lava pit -Rupees are worthless -To facilitate survival, the crafting of tools such as bombs, arrows, potions, and so on is common knowledge and anyone can do it -Sages never returned from the Sacred Realm either -The Sacred Realm is currently sealed off -Although Link never showed his face again, the Master Sword did mysteriously return to the Temple of Time -The Sacred Stones are still in the Temple of Time as well -I changed my mind, all "items of power" like the Stones or the Medallions are off-limits. Ask for approval!
The setting is supposed to be a sort of "Hylian Souls Z"
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March 29, 2017, 2:56 pm
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I feel almost compelled to make some version of Jake for this. You know it would be nice to write for him again... He has been such a reoccurring NPC in my DND games at school it could be fun.
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Keith
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March 29, 2017, 4:58 pm
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Having Jake would be great. Hyrule is badly in need of a Red Wings!
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MAP OF HYRULE
BESTIARY Deku Baba Deku Scrub Moblin Bulblin Bokoblin Fairy Iron Knuckle
WORLD NOTES World Notes: -Zora are nearly extinct after being slaughtered by Ganon, any Zora characters will be among the last of their kind. Domain is still frozen -Kokiri have scattered into the Lost Woods due to Moblin aggression -Castle Town has been reclaimed and is rebuilding but lacks cohesive leadership -Link and Zelda never returned after defeating Ganon, and the only thing that remains of his castle is the lava pit -Rupees are worthless -To facilitate survival, the crafting of tools such as bombs, arrows, potions, and so on is common knowledge and anyone can do it -Sages never returned from the Sacred Realm either -The Sacred Realm is currently sealed off -Although Link never showed his face again, the Master Sword did mysteriously return to the Temple of Time -The Sacred Stones are still in the Temple of Time as well -I changed my mind, all "items of power" like the Stones or the Medallions are off-limits. Ask for approval!
The setting is supposed to be a sort of "Hylian Souls Z"
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March 29, 2017, 5:50 pm
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I was thinking maybe an older Jake. One who survived something like what he did in the other stories and left with the memories, regret and feelings from those adventures (simplified and not world ending). Maybe someone more balanced this time, intending to make the plot more than just be brought around by it. Seem acceptable?
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Keith
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March 29, 2017, 7:36 pm
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Of course! The more plot-makers we have, the better.
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MAP OF HYRULE
BESTIARY Deku Baba Deku Scrub Moblin Bulblin Bokoblin Fairy Iron Knuckle
WORLD NOTES World Notes: -Zora are nearly extinct after being slaughtered by Ganon, any Zora characters will be among the last of their kind. Domain is still frozen -Kokiri have scattered into the Lost Woods due to Moblin aggression -Castle Town has been reclaimed and is rebuilding but lacks cohesive leadership -Link and Zelda never returned after defeating Ganon, and the only thing that remains of his castle is the lava pit -Rupees are worthless -To facilitate survival, the crafting of tools such as bombs, arrows, potions, and so on is common knowledge and anyone can do it -Sages never returned from the Sacred Realm either -The Sacred Realm is currently sealed off -Although Link never showed his face again, the Master Sword did mysteriously return to the Temple of Time -The Sacred Stones are still in the Temple of Time as well -I changed my mind, all "items of power" like the Stones or the Medallions are off-limits. Ask for approval!
The setting is supposed to be a sort of "Hylian Souls Z"
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Keith
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March 31, 2017, 5:59 pm
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How do you all want to handle improving or getting new techs/spells? Ranks from old CoH?
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MAP OF HYRULE
BESTIARY Deku Baba Deku Scrub Moblin Bulblin Bokoblin Fairy Iron Knuckle
WORLD NOTES World Notes: -Zora are nearly extinct after being slaughtered by Ganon, any Zora characters will be among the last of their kind. Domain is still frozen -Kokiri have scattered into the Lost Woods due to Moblin aggression -Castle Town has been reclaimed and is rebuilding but lacks cohesive leadership -Link and Zelda never returned after defeating Ganon, and the only thing that remains of his castle is the lava pit -Rupees are worthless -To facilitate survival, the crafting of tools such as bombs, arrows, potions, and so on is common knowledge and anyone can do it -Sages never returned from the Sacred Realm either -The Sacred Realm is currently sealed off -Although Link never showed his face again, the Master Sword did mysteriously return to the Temple of Time -The Sacred Stones are still in the Temple of Time as well -I changed my mind, all "items of power" like the Stones or the Medallions are off-limits. Ask for approval!
The setting is supposed to be a sort of "Hylian Souls Z"
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Onime No Ryu
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March 31, 2017, 6:10 pm
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I don't think introducing numbers into it would be a good idea if we're not using stats or some kinda system for anything else.
I'd just have plot points where "You have earned a new Ability" is announced, like after beating a boss or whatever. If people wanna upgrade something they already have, maybe just have them ask about it and give them an answer depending on how drastic the upgrade is and how often they seem to actually employ the ability so they can justify "getting better at it."
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Keith
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March 31, 2017, 7:50 pm
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Wait no fuck all that garbage I posted before, I misunderstood you. Give people a slot for a new Skill every now and then, and let them upgrade their existing ones more or less freely so long as they've been using it. Genius.
Edited by Keith, March 31, 2017, 11:41 pm.
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MAP OF HYRULE
BESTIARY Deku Baba Deku Scrub Moblin Bulblin Bokoblin Fairy Iron Knuckle
WORLD NOTES World Notes: -Zora are nearly extinct after being slaughtered by Ganon, any Zora characters will be among the last of their kind. Domain is still frozen -Kokiri have scattered into the Lost Woods due to Moblin aggression -Castle Town has been reclaimed and is rebuilding but lacks cohesive leadership -Link and Zelda never returned after defeating Ganon, and the only thing that remains of his castle is the lava pit -Rupees are worthless -To facilitate survival, the crafting of tools such as bombs, arrows, potions, and so on is common knowledge and anyone can do it -Sages never returned from the Sacred Realm either -The Sacred Realm is currently sealed off -Although Link never showed his face again, the Master Sword did mysteriously return to the Temple of Time -The Sacred Stones are still in the Temple of Time as well -I changed my mind, all "items of power" like the Stones or the Medallions are off-limits. Ask for approval!
The setting is supposed to be a sort of "Hylian Souls Z"
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April 1, 2017, 8:49 am
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Since we are all experienced grown ups here, what would you think of just letting the RPers track how many times they use a skill themselves in say a spoiler tag under their posts? Then every day 10 times we use it, it gains an upgrade point for that technique to either gain a new aspect, an extra element, a new effect etc? Heck we could even do the same general trick for the more physically inclined the same way. Take Tai, he has used martial attacks multiple times (with say a max of 2 usages per post) then at 10 he could have gained a new martial skill like the tiger style he used. Having things like that earned feels both fair and, more interestingly, provides an incentive for players to remain consistent in their styles of combat.
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April 1, 2017, 9:21 am
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Since we are all experienced grown ups here, what would you think of just letting the RPers track how many times they use a skill themselves in say a spoiler tag under their posts? Then every day 10 times we use it, it gains an upgrade point for that technique to either gain a new aspect, an extra element, a new effect etc? Heck we could even do the same general trick for the more physically inclined the same way. Take Tai, he has used martial attacks multiple times (with say a max of 2 usages per post) then at 10 he could have gained a new martial skill like the tiger style he used. Having things like that earned feels both fair and, more interestingly, provides an incentive for players to remain consistent in their styles of combat. Keeping track of the numbers and setting arbitrary limits on it might be a little much, but that's basically what I was already saying. Also Burnt editted his post, which is good because I was super not feeling that stuff he had posted before.
If a person seems competent in writing the development of this power and its use, if they're not just skipping straight to OP-tier stuff, and if the idea is interesting, just let them have free reign with the abilities they already have. And after accomplishing certain milestones let 'em have a new slot for something different.
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April 1, 2017, 11:10 am
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So, after the discussion in the Cbox there's a tie between using numbers for upgrading Skills and not, which means I'll have to violate my imitation Swiss neutrality:
I agree that having a set number of uses to upgrade a spell kind of screws things like Tai's Kaioken buff skill or Caleb's point-blank nuke. However, it also gives people a concretely defined goal that they can work towards and I like it in that regard...
Having Skill Ranks be an indicator of mastery and Utility instead of Power was popular and I like it too. What this means is that when you upgrade Lightning Bolt from Rank 1 to Rank 2, you can add some kind of extra effect. "Chains to nearby targets," or "Melts target's armor and makes them vulnerable to physical damage." That kind of stuff.
This prevents situations where a Rank 5 Fireball is stronger than a Rank 2 Meteor simply because of the Rank, and prevents Meteor from becoming noncompetitive because the Fireball has more practical applications and is thus used more often.
The Power of a Skill is then a matter of the character's personal strength and items. Keep in mind that you'll be getting powerup forms from me as the story goes on.
So my tiebreaker is going to try to compromise. This is completely subject to change as needed depending on how well it does or doesn't work. It takes 10 uses of a skill within the narrative to Rank-Up. Once it has been ranked up, it takes another 10 uses at the new Rank to increase again (this is something that may need to be adjusted). When you add a new Rank, you can add some kind of utility to the spell. Keep track of your Skill usages somewhere, a spoiler at the end of your post like NTNP recommended is a good idea.
"More damage" is a valid utility because it makes things die faster. However, this tends to be more noticeable in video games where there's nice numbers for everything -- in something like this where power is highly ambiguous, I would recommend something more creative like "Explodes on contact" or "Guaranteed to ignite the target and cause burning damage." If you just go with "More damage" then the spell's functionality within the story doesn't really change. But it's up to you.
New slots for Skills are given out as the story progresses.
So, this leaves me with one last question regarding how you all want Ranks to be given out. Should a Skill upgrade its Rank automatically at the usage threshold, and new slots are given out through the story? OR, should I combine the upgrade with the new slot and let people pick which one they want?
With the former it will be necessary to put a (temporary) cap on Skill ranks so that they don't fly off the handle too quickly. With the latter a cap isn't necessary since the distribution is regulated.
Thoughts?
Edited by Keith, April 1, 2017, 11:13 am.
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MAP OF HYRULE
BESTIARY Deku Baba Deku Scrub Moblin Bulblin Bokoblin Fairy Iron Knuckle
WORLD NOTES World Notes: -Zora are nearly extinct after being slaughtered by Ganon, any Zora characters will be among the last of their kind. Domain is still frozen -Kokiri have scattered into the Lost Woods due to Moblin aggression -Castle Town has been reclaimed and is rebuilding but lacks cohesive leadership -Link and Zelda never returned after defeating Ganon, and the only thing that remains of his castle is the lava pit -Rupees are worthless -To facilitate survival, the crafting of tools such as bombs, arrows, potions, and so on is common knowledge and anyone can do it -Sages never returned from the Sacred Realm either -The Sacred Realm is currently sealed off -Although Link never showed his face again, the Master Sword did mysteriously return to the Temple of Time -The Sacred Stones are still in the Temple of Time as well -I changed my mind, all "items of power" like the Stones or the Medallions are off-limits. Ask for approval!
The setting is supposed to be a sort of "Hylian Souls Z"
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April 1, 2017, 11:33 am
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I'd go for abilities ranking up on their own while we gain a new ability slot as the story progresses. It makes it so we can have our utility upgrade but not be confined to very few select abilities that are slowly getting upgraded.
If we did it where we had to pick between upgrading an ability or get a new one it would make having to use it a certain amount of times kind of moot. You'd be forced to use an ability numerous times AND spend a skill point on it.
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April 1, 2017, 11:34 am
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I think the "Upgrade Point" should be awarded automatically but the actual upgraded tech/spell shouldn't immediately appear until after something like a rest, a character development moment, etc. Mostly to avoid mid-battle jumps in power, save for a few narrative moments where it might be good--for instance, you're firing off fireballs one after the other, but all of a sudden the 15th one you've fired now has homing ability. That would be bad, narratively. But a moment where the character is using their lightning magic and they're still being overpowered, then they realize "wait, i've been doing this all wrong!" or they're in a desperate situation where they're just instinctively trying to do something, ANYTHING, to save their friends, and now suddenly their lightning spell produces a chaining effect, that would be alright I think.
New Slots should be awarded at set intervals, and since those intervals are more likely at the END of a boss fight than during it, they could pretty much be used whenever the next opportunity came up to do so.
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April 1, 2017, 12:14 pm
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I agree with Onime.
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April 1, 2017, 12:50 pm
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OK, that's a majority. I like Onime's idea too, so we'll use that. Please update your character sheets with your Skills at Rank 1. I'll condense the info and add it to the sheet and world information once I get a post out for Onime and Kaze.
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MAP OF HYRULE
BESTIARY Deku Baba Deku Scrub Moblin Bulblin Bokoblin Fairy Iron Knuckle
WORLD NOTES World Notes: -Zora are nearly extinct after being slaughtered by Ganon, any Zora characters will be among the last of their kind. Domain is still frozen -Kokiri have scattered into the Lost Woods due to Moblin aggression -Castle Town has been reclaimed and is rebuilding but lacks cohesive leadership -Link and Zelda never returned after defeating Ganon, and the only thing that remains of his castle is the lava pit -Rupees are worthless -To facilitate survival, the crafting of tools such as bombs, arrows, potions, and so on is common knowledge and anyone can do it -Sages never returned from the Sacred Realm either -The Sacred Realm is currently sealed off -Although Link never showed his face again, the Master Sword did mysteriously return to the Temple of Time -The Sacred Stones are still in the Temple of Time as well -I changed my mind, all "items of power" like the Stones or the Medallions are off-limits. Ask for approval!
The setting is supposed to be a sort of "Hylian Souls Z"
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April 1, 2017, 12:56 pm
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Not to detract from the vote on Abilities but I've been talking with Burnt about some stuff and he said it'd be a good idea to see if anyone else wants in on it, since he wants the various plot threads of the RP to be more player-dependent.
Some of you might have seen where me and NTNP were talking in the Cbox about how Shadow of Mordor's army and Nemesis system is cool, and how it could easily fit the Zelda narrative. So on a whim and with the barest hint of a few plot ideas, I went through the Zelda Wikis and tried to sort the enemies out into what I felt were good "army" structures. I'll break this up into two spoiler sections, one detailing the lists and one detailing the plot ideas. All enemies that are named should have articles on the various wikis.
Monster Lists GHOSTS *Cannot be harmed physically without special circumstance. Magic and light sources either harm them or make them vulnerable. Fodder are used mostly as spies and are very, very weak. Elite Soldiers and above are more magically inclined than physical. Only Death Sword is a powerful physical combatant. Fodder -Moa, Nocturn, Babusa, Pol's Voice Soldiers -Ghini, Poe Elite Soldiers -Imp Poe, Giant Ghini Captains -Poe Sisters, Grim Reapoe, Shadow Hag, Pumpkin Head Generals -Jalhalla, Big Poe Lord -Death Sword
SKELETONS *Physically frail in most cases, but in some cases very agile and skilled in combat. The strength of their fodder is that they have large numbers and cannot be easily disposed of, as they will reform. Their leaders are typically very skilled in the use of weapons, but almost none of them have magical potential. Fodder -Stalkin, Staldra, Stalhound, Stalkoblin Soldiers -Staltroop, Shrouded Stalfos (spears/arrows), Stalfos (Jumping) Elite Soldiers -Stalfos Knights (regular stalfos: sword and shield, dual swords, club, other weapons?) Captains -Captain Stalfos, Stalblind, Stalchampion, Grim Creeper Lords -Stalmaster (true commander), Stallord (most powerful of the category)
CORPSES *More durable and much stronger than Skeletons and Poes, but not nearly as fast or as intelligent. They can drain the life-force of enemies. Disposing of them incorrectly may simply turn them into another type of undead. Fodder -Zombie (cannot drain life), Cursed Bokoblin (cannot drain life, but curses enemies) Soldiers -ReDead, Gibdo Elite Soldiers -ReDead Knights, Dead Hand, Garo Captains -ReDead Captain, Medusa Head, Garo Master Lord -Bongo Bongo
These three groups form the UNDEAD HORDE, and are led by Stalmaster. Death Sword is a combination of spymaster and assassin, Stallord serves as guardian of their base (since he can't move), and Bongo Bongo is barely controlled dumb muscle.
BATS *Flying foes in a variety of forms. Often capable of transformations. Extremely weak in all categories and subservient to another army. Fodder -Bubble, Keese Soldiers -Subtypes of Keese, Acheman Captains -Swoop, Gomess Lord -Vire
BIRDS *Avian enemies who aren't really evil, just highly territorial. If they appear alongside an enemy it's because they've been tamed and are being ordered to attack. Just look under the Avian Enemies category, most of them seem like fodder with only the Helmaroc King, Fokka, Furnix, and Thunderbird seeming like boss/midboss material.
BUGS *Oddly, more accurate as arthropods or arachnids. Like birds there are only a few of these who are boss material, and they'd probably be used as a captured beast to unleash on an enemy by other armies. Armogohma, Crayk, Gohma, Moldarach, Mothula, Rocktite, Skulltula, Stagnox, and the Tektites seem the only worthwhile species.
DEKU *Most entries are plants or monsters related to the plants, and like the animals would just be captured for their uses. For the Scrubs, use the entries for the Deku Kingdom that are normally found in Majora's Mask. I kind of doubt they'd be much of a fighting force. Deku Toad could be used for something though.
FIRE BASED ENEMIES *Lots of dinosaur type animals/monsters to use like the above. Some Dodongos and bosses from the other games are all that stand out, but Flare Dancer, Fraaz, and Wizzrobe will be in their own category. Cragma could be a captain for someone.
WIZZROBES *Robed figures of magical power, who have chosen to use it for evil. Weak in physical combat, but capable of teleporting or turning invisible. Vulnerable to magic that counters their own element. Serve as advisors to more physically oriented armies. Elite Soldiers -Wizzrobes of every element Captains -Carock, Mago, Scythe Robe Lord -Grand Wizzrobe
FOREIGN REPTILES *Since the Lizalfos have made peace, these reptilian creatures are the go-to. They left Hyrule long ago, but the chaos brings them back, looking for spoils. Soldiers - Daira Elite Soldiers -Zazak Captains -Geru Lord -Custom NPCs
DRAGONS *Ancient beasts, awakened by the changes in Hyrule's landscape. Fearsome indeed. All Lord level. Aquamentus, Argorok, Blizzagia, possibly Dodongo bosses, Helmasaur King, Trinexx, Gleeok, etc.
ICE BASED ENEMIES *Only one real worthwhile one here, so I have no idea what to do with it. Chilfos.
BEASTS *Misc. monsters that don't seem to fit anywhere else. Lots of brutish types with various weapons. Fodder -Keaton, Wolfos Soldiers -Goriya, Wosu, Taros Elite Soldiers -Hinox, Syger, Lynel Captains -Brother Goriyas, Lynel Captain (blue), Gooma Lord -White Maned Lynel
KNIGHTS *These dark soldiers were the true terrors of Ganon's army. Armed with the best equipment, trained better than most professional soldiers, intelligent, and fiercely loyal to their dark master's plans, they march in search of conquest and victory. Elite Soldiers -Darknut, Doomknocker, possibly Fokka Captains -Mighty Darknut, Jermafenser, Mazura, Rebonack Lords -Kaiser Darknut, Iron Knuckle War Lord -Black Knight Darknut
Plot Ideas One thing I noticed as I went on is that some "categories" have enemies that are a lot more suited to this concept than others--for instance, when Link is exploring the forest and he runs into Skulltulas, Spiked Beetles, and maybe a Gohma at the end of the dungeon, those aren't really soldiers in any kind of army so much as they are predatory creatures. They might have been placed there intentionally by someone else, like when Ganon curses the Deku Tree by infecting it with Gohma, but they're not so much "evil" of their own accord, even if they were perhaps created solely for the purpose of destroying things. Just mindless engines of destruction, or animals trying to survive--not a thinking, feeling enemy that can interact on more levels than just combat.
The second thing is, out of the categories that were most easily sorted into functioning armies, there are three that stood out as the most interesting: The Undead Hordes, the Beasts, and the Dark Army are my names for them.
The Undead Hordes are easily the largest, because I ended up sorting them into three separate armies. The Ghost army was magically powerful and had a specific weakness that had to be exploited before they could be attacked physically, and consisted of the various tiers of Poe, Ghini, some fodder like Moas and Nocturns, and then with captains like the Poe Sisters and Jalhalla, ultimately led by Death Sword, the boss from Arbiter's Grounds in TP. The Skeleton army was physically frail and didn't have much magic, but it had a larger number of enemies, who were often fast and skilled with weapons, and they can reform unless they're blown up in a lot of cases. Their forces were things like Stalkin, Stalhounds, Stalkoblin, some different types of Stalfos, and with Stalmaster and Stallord as leaders--the former being the tactical mind and real leader of the army, and the latter just being the powerhouse that outshines all the others. And the Corpse army had the ReDeads, Gibdos, Garo, and Bongo-Bongo, but despite having a lot of raw power and durability compared to the other undead, along with life-drain, they didn't seem to have much actual intelligence to function as an army. So in the end I merged them all into one group, with Stalmaster as the leader, Death Sword as his right hand man, Stallord as their base guardian (since he can't move) and Bongo Bongo as dumb muscle.
The Beasts are kind of a motley crew because a lot of things that ended up there are things that didn't fit other places. Keaton, Wolfos, Goriya, Hinox, etc., led by a white maned variant of a Lynel.
The Dark Army is probably the smallest in terms of variety, but easily the most threatening. Tiers of Darknuts, Iron Knuckles, some enemies from Adventure of Link that I thought were cool and fit the knight theme, and all led by a suitably badass "Black Knight" version of a super-Darknut.
Between these three groups, the Undead and the Army stuck out the most as having a lot of plot potential. Obviously all these monsters were minions of Ganon before he was beaten, but what do they do after that, especially those who still have a lot of intelligence, training, workable tactics, etc? At first I thought "well obviously, the Dark Army would be the commanding force and all these other groups would be subservient to it, with each leader figure serving to make a clear chain of command." But when you draw it out like a pyramid, there are so many lines and so many tiers with different specialties that it becomes unclear exactly who is more powerful than who in a lot of cases. Stalmaster has armor and 4 arms with weapons, he seems like he could take on the Black Knight. Poes can't even be hit until you shine a light on them, how would any of these creatures of Darkness do that in the first place?
So in the end what stuck with me was this potential storyline, not only a conflict between the kingdom of Hyrule and these dark forces, but between those forces themselves as they struggle for power:
The Dark Army were the true terrors of Ganon's army. Armed with the best equipment, trained better than most professional soldiers, intelligent, and fiercely loyal to their dark master's plans, they march in search of conquest and victory. Their leader, the Black Knight, however, means to take power for himself rather than pursue a way to free his master. Like Ganondorf he holds Power as the most important thing--but Ganondorf was still human to some extent. In the Wind Waker, we see that he didn't necessarily want to conquer Hyrule solely for death and destruction. He talks of the difficulties of the Gerudo lifestyle, and even if one argues he was using his own people as a scapegoat to justify his madness, he was still, in the end, a King--he wanted a kingdom to rule over, to own, to have wealth and power that he did not have before. Eventually, he would have had "peace" in his realm because he would have stamped out the resistance. But the Black Knight believes in NOTHING but Power. Kings have power, but over what? Sheep and sheepherders. Conquered Kingdoms eventually become peaceful again, and what is peace? Respite for the weak. The Black Knight wants war, battle, glory, supremacy. He wages the campaign not to conquer in the end, but to raze the world, and then sweep dirt over it and move on to fight a new enemy.
The Undead Hordes want something that is similar and yet not. They were raised from their graves by a dark lord to serve his purpose, but now he is gone, and their spirits cannot rest--indeed, they wouldn't have answered his call in the first place if they weren't already vile, twisted souls, seeking to have their revenge on those who continued to live while they floated in limbo, barred from the afterlife because they refused to let go of grudges and hate. Now Death walks the world...and what is the purpose of all life, save to die at the end? There is no need for kings, or kingdoms, or dreams, or ambitions. All will die and wither away, nothing is eternal. So they march across the land, spreading death. They are the End of All Things, they are the Inescapable Fate. They think, they feel, they plan, they wage war, but it is only as a means to an end. They are not alive, and the pursuit of life is beyond their grasp. What they hold, and freely give, is Death.
But if everything on the planet is dead, obviously there's no more wars to fight. So even though both of these armies would be engines of destruction, steadily churning away, they would also be in conflict with each other as well as Hyrule.
Much like the Nemesis system, I imagine if these armies are thwarted by the players then they will eventually keep coming back until dealt with permanently. If the Black Knight sends a small group to raid Lon Lon Ranch and the Cult drives them off, well now he's got to defend his reputation. If the Undead Hordes have ghostly, floating eyes watching the Moblin Camp and they see that Chief Moblos has been slain by some unknown party, now they need to take this into account when they plan their incursion into the Lost Woods to turn all the Kokiri into Stalfos.
What I'm really hoping for is that players will develop a series of rivalries, like back when BO first introduced the Fire General, he kicked Tai's ass, and from then on Tai realized he couldn't do everything alone. And then when the Fire General showed up again, Tai's gung-ho revenge driven mindset was in direct conflict with Jake's plan to lure him into a trap, and cool stuff ended up happening between characters and in combat and in the end Tai had to give up on petty revenge and that was further development for him. If stuff like that happens between the Black Knight and Jake, or the Garo Master and Tai, or the White Mane Lynel and Karn, then that makes it worthwhile in my opinion.
Now, with all this laid out, there are two questions I have for all the players:
One, basic Yay Nay vote on whether you think all this should even be implemented, or if you think it'd cause too many problems or be too many hectic with different factions fighting it out.
Two, if you're into this idea, are there any NPCs you guys would like to take control of? Burnt's already called dibs on the Deku Kingdom and the Garo Assassins, and I personally was hoping to retain control of the Black Knight, Stalmaster, Vire, and the White Mane myself, but I can see how that might be seen as too much influence from one person on the plot since the higher rank the NPC, the more control they'd have over what the whole faction is doing.
So lemme know your thoughts and questions and whatnot, please and thanks.
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April 1, 2017, 1:09 pm
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No. To complicated for a fairly simple rp.
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April 1, 2017, 3:00 pm
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I greatly approve of this system. With that being said, I would probably suggest that no one person control more than a single "army" that would be encountered. So let's look at the armies: the Dark Army, most humanoid but also the smallest. The Undead Horse, which by its nature wants death and destruction primarily. The Goblinoid army which we have already seen a glimpse of. And finally the non-affiliated forces that are forcibly domesticated. Beasts, magical creatures, Deku, Avians and elemental creatures primarily. So I would suggest for people interested in such things choose one main army and one sub army that would not be working together to allow two players to have some dominion over said enemy group. What do you all think?
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April 1, 2017, 3:03 pm
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I'm in agreement with it. If it would be a better idea to divide up the factions among players I'll take the entire Undead group instead of just the Garo. And the Deku Kingdom still.
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WORLD NOTES World Notes: -Zora are nearly extinct after being slaughtered by Ganon, any Zora characters will be among the last of their kind. Domain is still frozen -Kokiri have scattered into the Lost Woods due to Moblin aggression -Castle Town has been reclaimed and is rebuilding but lacks cohesive leadership -Link and Zelda never returned after defeating Ganon, and the only thing that remains of his castle is the lava pit -Rupees are worthless -To facilitate survival, the crafting of tools such as bombs, arrows, potions, and so on is common knowledge and anyone can do it -Sages never returned from the Sacred Realm either -The Sacred Realm is currently sealed off -Although Link never showed his face again, the Master Sword did mysteriously return to the Temple of Time -The Sacred Stones are still in the Temple of Time as well -I changed my mind, all "items of power" like the Stones or the Medallions are off-limits. Ask for approval!
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April 1, 2017, 3:30 pm
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I would be interested in controlling a faction or two. In particular I greatly like the idea of the magical army (wizarobes, elementals, animated statues etc) in service to a major organization. After all, they have a lot of capabilities but lack the numbers to handle a true threat without meat sheilds. They would probably make a good addition to the Goblinoid army or the Dark Knight army. As far as what is left, if no one comes up with something for the "natural creatures" army I can run it although splitting them equally between the Goblinoids and the Dark Army make the most sense.
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April 1, 2017, 3:38 pm
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So you guys would rather control an entire faction per player? Cause the way I meant it was that anyone who wanted to control an NPC could--whether that meant, for instance, I controlled the Black Knight and NTNP controlled the Iron Knuckle Captain and Kaze controlled the Kaiser Darknut, or likewise Burnt controlled the Stalmaster and I took the Death Sword with Kill controlling Bongo-Bongo.
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April 1, 2017, 4:14 pm
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I feel like controlling an entire faction and systematically being the one controlling the generics and named foes from that organization would be the better option. So if we see a darknut, for example, we would expect it to be controlled by Onime the same way seeing a member of the Undead Horde would mean Burnt is in control.
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April 1, 2017, 4:22 pm
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How about both? They don't sound mutually exclusive. I think I personally can do more with just one class of units than an entire faction. Onime, since you were putting dibs on all three faction leaders did you have something planned for the three of them together?
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WORLD NOTES World Notes: -Zora are nearly extinct after being slaughtered by Ganon, any Zora characters will be among the last of their kind. Domain is still frozen -Kokiri have scattered into the Lost Woods due to Moblin aggression -Castle Town has been reclaimed and is rebuilding but lacks cohesive leadership -Link and Zelda never returned after defeating Ganon, and the only thing that remains of his castle is the lava pit -Rupees are worthless -To facilitate survival, the crafting of tools such as bombs, arrows, potions, and so on is common knowledge and anyone can do it -Sages never returned from the Sacred Realm either -The Sacred Realm is currently sealed off -Although Link never showed his face again, the Master Sword did mysteriously return to the Temple of Time -The Sacred Stones are still in the Temple of Time as well -I changed my mind, all "items of power" like the Stones or the Medallions are off-limits. Ask for approval!
The setting is supposed to be a sort of "Hylian Souls Z"
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April 1, 2017, 4:59 pm
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How about both? They don't sound mutually exclusive. I think I personally can do more with just one class of units than an entire faction. Onime, since you were putting dibs on all three faction leaders did you have something planned for the three of them together? The only thing I had planned was the conflict between the Undead Hordes wanting to murder everything and the Dark Army wanting to engineer a never-ending battleground, but even then I didn't have a concrete outline or anything. I just wanted to introduce them as having a particular goal and some options that would further said goal, and let things grow organically from there. I was going to suggest whoever had the Undead to have a Moa (those floating eyeball things) spying on what's going on in the Moblin Camp, which would then report the results to Stalmaster, who would begin to stir his army from within the ancient ruins in the Gerudo Desert/Haunted Wastelands. From there they might go to the Lost Woods, since people who get lost there turn into Stalfos, and try to recruit more soldiers. After that it's just a matter of "bringing death" to whatever area or village presents the best/closest opportunity. For the Dark Army I was going to suggest having the Black Knight and his forces crush one of the villages under the COL's territory, completely cannibalizing it for supplies and raw materials he would then use to keep his army going while he marched to whatever else--whether it be Goron City to steal their mines and the metal inside, the Zora's Domain to use its empty halls as his home base, or whatever.
I never came up with goals for the other factions, I was just gonna leave that up to whoever controlled their leaders.
Although Kill said he didn't really want it to turn into a Wargame, that was kind of appealing to me, honestly--having the "Present" conflict of our player characters as Heroes doing their thing, and then zooming out every so often to address faction plots on a "Macro" level, which then INFLUENCES the Present Conflicts. Maybe Kaze decides he wants the Beasts to join up with the Dark Army as mercenaries. Maybe NTNP takes a high ranking Imp Poe character and possesses the captain of the militia in Castle Town, so he can work out a way to make them vulnerable for the rest of his army--and the Player characters, who have stopped in town to stock up on supplies, somehow discover this and have to do something about it.
One other thing Kill pointed out though is that this doesn't really "change" anything--From the very start people could have done this kind of thing on their own if they wanted to, and if they want to do something similar to this but don't want to use the tiers that I came up with, or if they want to change the goals, that's all valid. The only reason I "organized" it the way I did is cause I thought it'd be cool and slightly less messy than the old days of CoH, where at one point I remember we had Vaati, the Empire, Niroth's Anti-Triforce characters, the Red Wings, and so on all competing for the Plot Spotlight. So even if we end up having a lot of player factions all trying to do their own thing, I just wanted to give it a format that made it easy to see at a glance who the top dogs were and what kind of themes you could expect in confronting that faction.
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April 1, 2017, 5:23 pm
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As far as the Wargame part goes - if this ends up gaining a Wargame aspect to it, it's probably not something that will happen until mid-game or later. No need to worry about it for the time being. It could be fun when the world is more established.
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One other thing Kill pointed out though is that this doesn't really "change" anything--From the very start people could have done this kind of thing on their own if they wanted to, and if they want to do something similar to this but don't want to use the tiers that I came up with, or if they want to change the goals, that's all valid. The only reason I "organized" it the way I did is cause I thought it'd be cool and slightly less messy than the old days of CoH, where at one point I remember we had Vaati, the Empire, Niroth's Anti-Triforce characters, the Red Wings, and so on all competing for the Plot Spotlight. So even if we end up having a lot of player factions all trying to do their own thing, I just wanted to give it a format that made it easy to see at a glance who the top dogs were and what kind of themes you could expect in confronting that faction.
There's no reason we can't use it as a tier list to represent relative monster power levels, even if nothing is done with it faction-wise. We could also try using them like "community factions" where they exist in the background with a vague goal and people can use them as needed. We also don't have to implement this right away or anything, the idea itself could just exist in the background until we as authors need or want it.
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MAP OF HYRULE
BESTIARY Deku Baba Deku Scrub Moblin Bulblin Bokoblin Fairy Iron Knuckle
WORLD NOTES World Notes: -Zora are nearly extinct after being slaughtered by Ganon, any Zora characters will be among the last of their kind. Domain is still frozen -Kokiri have scattered into the Lost Woods due to Moblin aggression -Castle Town has been reclaimed and is rebuilding but lacks cohesive leadership -Link and Zelda never returned after defeating Ganon, and the only thing that remains of his castle is the lava pit -Rupees are worthless -To facilitate survival, the crafting of tools such as bombs, arrows, potions, and so on is common knowledge and anyone can do it -Sages never returned from the Sacred Realm either -The Sacred Realm is currently sealed off -Although Link never showed his face again, the Master Sword did mysteriously return to the Temple of Time -The Sacred Stones are still in the Temple of Time as well -I changed my mind, all "items of power" like the Stones or the Medallions are off-limits. Ask for approval!
The setting is supposed to be a sort of "Hylian Souls Z"
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