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Topic Started: Monday 5-07-2010, 13:14 (11,143 Views)
LIS
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Yeah, Budd and Boc were third party. So I really don't see the numbers in this game being at all different from the numbers in a game with more people...
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Fröken Coach Drrr
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The thing is, it should be POSSIBLE to LYNCH all non-town and not rely on Vig kills to save everyone. Hell, in this case it wouldn't have even been possible to lynch everyone who had to be lynched without those revives to restore the Town's numbers. At that rate of kills without the revives the Game would have lasted 2 days.
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Fröken Coach Drrr
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Did Budd and Boc count as 3rd party or Mafia at that point? I guess that's the issue. I would assme they were classified as mafia even before they became the Twin Dons.
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No, we were third party. We only became mafia when we usurped the Don
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Ah, alright. That makes it a little better then. 3 Mafia with 2 extra kills, and 2 3rd party with 1 kill intended for a mafioso is a little better.
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Err, 4 mafia, and 6 for my previous argument. Forgot FF in my count.
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Helios Garabandia
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Please explain to me something: How, if this game was so blatantly Town-stacked, did the Mafia win? >_<
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My plan only would've worked if Boc and Budd officially joined the mafia. That was the only part I was unsure of. Not even Boc knew that answer

I think "taking over the mafia" means that they BECOME mafia and just replace bsrj. No more third party

That means on Day 3, before I was lynched, there were 4 mafia, 4 town, 2 third party. If the 6 of us all voted for any one of you townies (or bsrj), you would've been lynched instead of any of us, Boc would've killed bsrj at night (if we didn't lynch him already) and the next day the mafia would outnumber the town. Game would've been over

Also, maybe Helios can help me with this one, but after Night 2 there were 4 mafia, 4 town, 2 third party. Mafia win conditions: To outnumber or equal the town. 4=4. Just because third party has a chance to take over still, doesn't mean that the mafia fulfilling their win conditions just goes right out the window. There would be no point to go through the motions

2 Revives in a game with 16 people I'm not a FAN of at all. Though I dont like revivers at all in general

Still not happy with the cops getting their results in order to not know they were about to die. Especially when Mikey pretty much knew they'd both be brought back into the game the next night with those results

I get why Aspen was modkilled...if he did join with us, which he didn't and had no intention to. He was testing to see if I was mafia. Maybe I made it seem serious when I talked about it on the scum board, but Mikey could've at least told me NOT TO DO THAT or talked to Aspen so we could've cleared it up instead of handing revives out to different townies

Also Mikey we asked you if bsrj was an auto-loss Don and you didn't even answer lol. It would've been good to know!

I won't hate on Mikey though. First game and it's difficult to host/make decisions that keep everyone happy etc
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Ari
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Well I attacked BSRJ the night i died and BSRJ´s living through that wasnt written :p

So it didnt ALL go against the mafia regarding the night actions
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It was a Don, though. You can't night kill the don unless you have the Power Boc had.
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oh men so then mafia did win it? This is confusing
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Monday 12-07-2010, 19:04
Also, maybe Helios can help me with this one, but after Night 2 there were 4 mafia, 4 town, 2 third party. Mafia win conditions: To outnumber or equal the town. 4=4. Just because third party has a chance to take over still, doesn't mean that the mafia fulfilling their win conditions just goes right out the window. There would be no point to go through the motions
I think it's silly to not give other people a chance to fulfill their win conditions. The whole winning aspect of the mafia, town and SK are to kill everybody but themselves. The reason that 'majority' thing is in place is so you don't have to go through unnecessary, tedious days that are going to inevitably end in the other side's defeat. BUT if there's still a chance for, say, an SK to win or even for the other side to win EVEN THOUGH the numbers aren't in their favor, I think the game should go on.

Like for example if there was 3 town, one of which is vigilante, 1 SK and 4 mafia...the town would absolutely have a chance to win if the SK kills mafia.
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Monday 12-07-2010, 19:15
It was a Don, though. You can't night kill the don unless you have the Power Boc had.
Well my point was there wasnt any mention of BSRJ being attacked and living through said attack during the night I died :p
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Monday 12-07-2010, 19:15
It was a Don, though. You can't night kill the don unless you have the Power Boc had.
Boc has an unstoppable kill. Maybe it would've killed the Don. There were a lot of scenarios like this but it was all up for Mikey to decide

Not that it makes any difference! Because like I said we could've just lynched him instead
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Monday 12-07-2010, 19:20
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Monday 12-07-2010, 19:04
Also, maybe Helios can help me with this one, but after Night 2 there were 4 mafia, 4 town, 2 third party. Mafia win conditions: To outnumber or equal the town. 4=4. Just because third party has a chance to take over still, doesn't mean that the mafia fulfilling their win conditions just goes right out the window. There would be no point to go through the motions
I think it's silly to not give other people a chance to fulfill their win conditions.
Even if one side already fulfilled theirs? It comes down to who fulfills theirs first
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