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ENglish mob
Topic Started: Monday 5-07-2010, 13:14 (11,179 Views)
Helios Garabandia
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Wow, what the fuck forum. I wasn't done posting.

DR
 
Zuko threatened to give whatever information he knows to whoever wants it after he dies in EVERY game, and given that a lot of people here communicate through AIM and MSN the mod is not going to be able to monitor all the communications.

Last game Zuko gave away the cult forum to Boc and along with it information on Taco's mafia status. Boc was able to utilize the information in the game, and ended up winning. That is the kind of impact he's had before.

Just because he threatens it doesn't mean it'll happen. That's the issue I keep having here. You basically are like "it will happen kill it" without any cause. Furthermore, just because he's willing to grant information doesn't mean that the other players will take him up on it. Or, at least, I'd like to think that. As for Boc's victory, I doubt that one bit of information was enough to grant him victory, considering that a) the Cult board was rather unused, b) the Mafia wiped out the Cult in one strike that same night, and c) he gained information on exactly one person. You're grasping here, and we both know it.

DR
 
One power role gone at the start of a game doesn't have to equal a loss for the town. As far as I've seen there are NO roles that are so vital that we can't win without them. Its when people start making stupid decisions, role claiming and begging the doctor to rescue them from the big bad mob, ETC that town loses.

If you want to lynch me though, go ahead. I'm not invested in this game yet and watching the fallout of that decision would be interesting.

But yet, it so often DOES equal a loss for the Town. There are roles that are vital for Town victory, those which allow the Town to gain information and protect their own. And I agree, making stupid decisions sink the Town. Hence me wondering why the Town is making this stupid decision. And yes, I do want to lynch you. And I'm not concerned with the fallout, because lynching Scum is good for the Town.

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The thing is... if Hupu is mafia... it's possible, considering his previous "fuck it" attitude, that he just might up and reveal all the mafia out of the game.... this wouldn't be a problem if he was town, surely. But the last thing I would want is an easy victory for either side... this game is meant to be fun and exciting, not lame and obvious.

That said, if he is mafia, I have no idea what to do with him... killing him regardless could prove badly for the game in general.

I need his word that he won't fuck up and whine if we kill him before I lynch him unceremoniously on the first day... the day of most rage.

That is an interesting possibility, that Hupu is Scum. Of course, that would probably make me look bad for what seems to be my defending him. However, I'm not really defending him. I'm simply arguing against the autopilot bandwagon D1 lynches that you guys do and screw yourselves out of a victory. And, by the way, it's not just the fact that you often kill Town power D1. You guys bandwagon people until they have to claim, revealing power roles to the Mafia, who gets to sit back and pick them off one by one. That's where the real issue is. Hupu is gonna have to claim now, and if his claim is good like I fear it will be, the bandwagon will switch to someone else, forcing them to claim, and so on, and so on. THAT is how EN Towns continuously lose at Mafia; they force all their power roles out into the open entirely way too fast.
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Helios Garabandia
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lol, doublepost
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Malion
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I'm not suggesting that he's Mafia and you're bad for protecting him... I'm saying if he is Mafia, and is privy to all Mafia members, he might just screw the game over and thats that.

He could just be protective of the mafia and not reveal anything, but I dunno. I think we should set some actual consequences for Hupu should he ruin a game again in a similar way... either by actually banning him next time, or something more severe.

That said, I don't want to bandwagon on a guy until he pops... it's the first day, vote for a non-player... vote for someone who is silent. This is the best course of action... and if the silence isn't working, go for the dicks... but don't make them role reveal... and if they do, continue with the knowledge that them living might be a liability on everyone.
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Helios Garabandia
Monday 5-07-2010, 22:27
I'm simply arguing against the autopilot bandwagon D1 lynches that you guys do and screw yourselves out of a victory. And, by the way, it's not just the fact that you often kill Town power D1. You guys bandwagon people until they have to claim, revealing power roles to the Mafia, who gets to sit back and pick them off one by one. That's where the real issue is. Hupu is gonna have to claim now, and if his claim is good like I fear it will be, the bandwagon will switch to someone else, forcing them to claim, and so on, and so on. THAT is how EN Towns continuously lose at Mafia; they force all their power roles out into the open entirely way too fast.
THIS I agree with
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Fröken Coach Drrr
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I'm not asking for any roles. A role claim isn't going to make me change my vote for him. I doubt I'm alone here.

There is a difference between bandwagonning against someone because they aren't very good, or fucked something up last time, or where mafia, etc. and bandwagoning because the person intentionally broke the rules last time and threatened to do it again.

Like I said, lynch me if you want. I don't care enough about this game yet to care if you do.
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Malion
 
I'm not suggesting that he's Mafia and you're bad for protecting him... I'm saying if he is Mafia, and is privy to all Mafia members, he might just screw the game over and thats that.

He could just be protective of the mafia and not reveal anything, but I dunno. I think we should set some actual consequences for Hupu should he ruin a game again in a similar way... either by actually banning him next time, or something more severe.

That said, I don't want to bandwagon on a guy until he pops... it's the first day, vote for a non-player... vote for someone who is silent. This is the best course of action... and if the silence isn't working, go for the dicks... but don't make them role reveal... and if they do, continue with the knowledge that them living might be a liability on everyone.

I literally banned a guy from ProM for a couple of weeks for fucking up a Mafia game. (well, suspended. I don't have admin powers there, just global mod ones). Also, I agree, it would fucking suck if a Mafioso was all like "fuck this game, these are my scumbuddies".
As for what you suggest for D1, I agree. Get some discussion going, and use the votes to do so. Pressure people into participating, and see waht they have to say. THEN, once that happens, either a) wtfpwn an inactive or b) wtfpwn someone who appears scummy. Autopilot voting is bad. This game started at 7 AM, and in about seven hours, Hupu was -2. We've got 24 hours to work with, so why are we rushing?

DR
 
I'm not asking for any roles. A role claim isn't going to make me change my vote for him. I doubt I'm alone here.

There is a difference between bandwagonning against someone because they aren't very good, or fucked something up last time, or where mafia, etc. and bandwagoning because the person intentionally broke the rules last time and threatened to do it again.

Like I said, lynch me if you want. I don't care enough about this game yet to care if you do.

Whether you're blatantly asking for a roleclaim or not, putting someone at -2 will require them to roleclaim. That's how this game works. And bandwagoning is bandwagoning .The reasoning behind it is totally irrelevant. And finally, your "kill me anyway" attitude does not make you look more innocent.
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After the past few games, every time I hear "kill me i don't care" I immediately think of bomb
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Not a bomb, not scum, just not very invested right now and finding a lynch vote against me on D1 lol.
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Helios Garabandia
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Not a bomb, not scum, just not very invested right now and finding a lynch vote against me on D1 lol.

And why, precisely, can't a D1 vote be cast against you?
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Fröken Coach Drrr
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There isn't any reason it can't be against me. I just find it lol.
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lol Just caught up. I agree that we should wait and see what other people say. The game hasn't been going on that long yet. I'd say probably roughly half of the players haven't checked in yet. It will be interesting what Hupu has to say about this time around.
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Who is Pissy Pants?
A STRONG HATER OF THE DUCK AND DOG COMBO!!!!!!!

Michael- Ive Been hiding in the bushes watching everything. I see Boone get carried away.
Michael- I pop out of the bushes. Sun Sayid. Im I glad to see you. Whats going on things are crazy. I got an idea. Im gonna be a spy and try to get Boone back on our side. How does that sound. Its dangerous but Ill do it.

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lol, i don't think there's a good way to go about day 1 lynchings.... and having people role reveal to save themselves is ALMOST AS BAD as lynching them.

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DeaderRose. Drrr, Deader, etc.
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oh ok I like you.
A STRONG HATER OF THE DUCK AND DOG COMBO!!!!!!!

Michael- Ive Been hiding in the bushes watching everything. I see Boone get carried away.
Michael- I pop out of the bushes. Sun Sayid. Im I glad to see you. Whats going on things are crazy. I got an idea. Im gonna be a spy and try to get Boone back on our side. How does that sound. Its dangerous but Ill do it.

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