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| Helios Garabandia | Monday 5-07-2010, 19:33 Post #16 |
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Monolith
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Just noticed this. Host knows what's up. >_> |
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| LIS | Monday 5-07-2010, 20:47 Post #17 |
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Time Traveler
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lol CURTIS has been wrongfully trusted one too many times for me to risk it again. ##Lynch Curtis |
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| Curtis | Monday 5-07-2010, 20:51 Post #18 |
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You guys are fheh ##Lynch Hupu because he's a shit head |
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| mikeyb9m3bek | Monday 5-07-2010, 20:55 Post #19 |
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The Godfather
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Hupu - Boctorboda, Leaffan, Budd, Bsrj, DR, Curtis (6/8) Curtis - Skate, Helios, LIS (3/8) |
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| Helios Garabandia | Monday 5-07-2010, 21:02 Post #20 |
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Monolith
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Hupu is -2. I think we have to let him claim. Even though his death makes the game a better place player-wise, his role may bee too valuable to lose, even if he is balls retarded. Also, there is Scum on that Hupu lynchtrain...and I think I know who. |
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| Curtis | Monday 5-07-2010, 21:06 Post #21 |
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Theres gonna be 1 or 2 scum on the Hupu lynch train because he's an obvious target, 1 or 2 scum on my lynch train because I'm an obvious target, and 1 or 2 scum who'll try to lay low today and not even vote in order to let us point fingers at each other |
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| Fröken Coach Drrr | Monday 5-07-2010, 21:11 Post #22 |
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keeps talking shit all day..no matter whats the clock
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Honestly whatever role Zuko has is probably not worth the problems he'll cause if he pulls the same crap he did last game. He can roleclaim if he likes but short of being a town auto-lose his willingness to had out information post-game to anyone who asks is more dangerous than any benefit he may be to us. The sooner he's gone in this game the less he can ruin. |
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| Helios Garabandia | Monday 5-07-2010, 21:51 Post #23 |
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Monolith
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No, no, no, no, a million times no. Let us count the ways why this post is terrible, and why you're scum for making it. 1) There is no Town auto-lose role. Well, except for a Jester, but nobody uses Jester in a serious game. (note to host: If there is a Jester in this game, I'm suiciding out of it.) 2) Him handing out info post-game is irrelevant. I know you meant to say post-death, and I'll get to that later, but the fact that you slipped up and said post-game is quite telling. 3) To quote you, he would cause problems, "if he pulls the same crap he did last game". That's a fairly large "if" right there. The fact of the matter is that making an assumption based on what happened previously is bad. Really bad. How do you know that he's going to do that again? We were pretty fucking harsh on him based on it, and he may have learned his lesson. (and before you say it, I have no way of knowing that he won't. It's that assuming so to get him killed is a scum move.) 4) "The sooner he's gone in this game the less he can ruin". The reason that no EN game has ended in a Town victory is because too many people here believe in this. The past three games, Day 1 has begun with the Town wanting to put TLG into the ground for no reason other than "because he's TLG". All three games, TLG has been beneficial Town Power. Just by that pattern alone, Hupu is Town Power. But in a more serious and less metagaming reasoning, immediately killing someone for no reason like this ends poorly for the Town. Yes, a No Lynch on Day 1 (or any day, for that matter) is bad, but an instant bandwagon lynch for absolutely no reason is just as bad. 5) If he is Town Power, then any benefit he is to us will always outweigh any potential negative benefits that can happen after he dies. Remember, host banned outside communication, which is a crime punishable by a modkill. Hosts usually have ways of monitoring that kind of thing, so if anyone is fool enough to talk to him once he dies, then they deserve what's coming to them. As for while he's alive...if he's Town, we need him. It's that simple. We need his numbers, and his action (assuming he has one). There are plenty of valuable Town roles that you seem to be perfectly content with sacrificing under the guise of "o snap he may fuck up again". What if he's the Cop? The Doc? Are you seriously telling me that you feel getting rid of that role is worth it? No Townie would ever feel that way, and since you seem to, you must die. ##Unvote: Curtis ##Vote: DR |
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| Curtis | Monday 5-07-2010, 21:55 Post #24 |
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Kind of like you and two others just did by voting to lynch me? |
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| Fröken Coach Drrr | Monday 5-07-2010, 22:06 Post #25 |
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keeps talking shit all day..no matter whats the clock
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First, town-auto-lose is a JOAK. And yes, I meant "post-death." I noticed it after I posted, but refrained from editting due to this being a mafia game and editing being a bad habit to get into. Zuko threatened to give whatever information he knows to whoever wants it after he dies in EVERY game, and given that a lot of people here communicate through AIM and MSN the mod is not going to be able to monitor all the communications. Last game Zuko gave away the cult forum to Boc and along with it information on Taco's mafia status. Boc was able to utilize the information in the game, and ended up winning. That is the kind of impact he's had before. One power role gone at the start of a game doesn't have to equal a loss for the town. As far as I've seen there are NO roles that are so vital that we can't win without them. Its when people start making stupid decisions, role claiming and begging the doctor to rescue them from the big bad mob, ETC that town loses. If you want to lynch me though, go ahead. I'm not invested in this game yet and watching the fallout of that decision would be interesting. |
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| Malion | Monday 5-07-2010, 22:07 Post #26 |
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King Kong
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The thing is... if Hupu is mafia... it's possible, considering his previous "fuck it" attitude, that he just might up and reveal all the mafia out of the game.... this wouldn't be a problem if he was town, surely. But the last thing I would want is an easy victory for either side... this game is meant to be fun and exciting, not lame and obvious. That said, if he is mafia, I have no idea what to do with him... killing him regardless could prove badly for the game in general. I need his word that he won't fuck up and whine if we kill him before I lynch him unceremoniously on the first day... the day of most rage. |
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| Helios Garabandia | Monday 5-07-2010, 22:11 Post #27 |
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Monolith
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Touche. Although, joke voting =/= serious voting, hence my issue with what DR has done. |
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| Fröken Coach Drrr | Monday 5-07-2010, 22:18 Post #28 |
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keeps talking shit all day..no matter whats the clock
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My issue is that Zuko is a leak. The longer he plays, the more access to information he has, the more information potentially gets leaked to anyone who asks after the game. Lets say he has a town power role. Let's say he's a cop. He lasts several days and nights, scanning townies etc, and then dies. Do you really want him leaking those roles to the mafia? That is more dangerous than losing a scanner. That is FAR more damaging than any reasons people have for thinking that TLG needs to go. TLG has never fucked anything that badly. And like mal said, if he was mafia he fucks the game even worse. I don't want to play a game like that, were Town wins because someone was being an idiot. |
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| Leaffan20 | Monday 5-07-2010, 22:21 Post #29 |
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Don't Blink!
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yeah he could be so volatile he'll just be a liability, and if he's mafia, its a win-win situation! |
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| Helios Garabandia | Monday 5-07-2010, 22:27 Post #30 |
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Wow, what the fuck forum. I wasn't done posting.
Just because he threatens it doesn't mean it'll happen. That's the issue I keep having here. You basically are like "it will happen kill it" without any cause. Furthermore, just because he's willing to grant information doesn't mean that the other players will take him up on it. Or, at least, I'd like to think that. As for Boc's victory, I doubt that one bit of information was enough to grant him victory, considering that a) the Cult board was rather unused, b) the Mafia wiped out the Cult in one strike that same night, and c) he gained information on exactly one person. You're grasping here, and we both know it.
But yet, it so often DOES equal a loss for the Town. There are roles that are vital for Town victory, those which allow the Town to gain information and protect their own. And I agree, making stupid decisions sink the Town. Hence me wondering why the Town is making this stupid decision. And yes, I do want to lynch you. And I'm not concerned with the fallout, because lynching Scum is good for the Town.
That is an interesting possibility, that Hupu is Scum. Of course, that would probably make me look bad for what seems to be my defending him. However, I'm not really defending him. I'm simply arguing against the autopilot bandwagon D1 lynches that you guys do and screw yourselves out of a victory. And, by the way, it's not just the fact that you often kill Town power D1. You guys bandwagon people until they have to claim, revealing power roles to the Mafia, who gets to sit back and pick them off one by one. That's where the real issue is. Hupu is gonna have to claim now, and if his claim is good like I fear it will be, the bandwagon will switch to someone else, forcing them to claim, and so on, and so on. THAT is how EN Towns continuously lose at Mafia; they force all their power roles out into the open entirely way too fast. |
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