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Lords Of Liam OOC (Accepting!); A modern mob drama roleplay.
Topic Started: August 29, 2010, 3:03 am (2,143 Views)
aoberaz
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Nope. Lake isn't there as your character's lackey to be abused when he says something offensive. By all means, take a swing at him, but expect him to protect himself. You won't rule this character with heavy handed means. If it's tried, it will escalate. Lake will not be walked on and left to ponder the meaning of the rule of a tyrant. He'll leave and join the FaustCo before that, to disastrous results.
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OoOh snaps.
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not really...it's just... I don't even. I,ll let Zeitmann do the talking

God... nearly 2k words. This is ridiculous. Too much shit to go through, ah well.

Posted, believe you me.

I truly wanted a reason to not have Lake be killed, but he was such a disloyal, undisciplined,douche and he totally blew his last chance at... not dying, but i think that was your point. You really wanted him to die. How could he NOT die?

I mean to be so disrespectful and pull a trick like that, sure it might have worked on Sophia, and given the crisis do you really want the inexperienced guard that is wielding a Desert Eagle set to shot 0.50 calibers?!?!
Edited by The Warlord, September 14, 2010, 12:32 am.
King of Wackatopia: "I'll guarantee your safety, give you meaning, give you knowledge and something to believe in for the low cost of your personal freedom."

Fang: "Look at you, you're gorgeous, you're beautiful, and when i look into your beautiful eyes all I see is this magnificent elegant creature, full of grace, full of strength. You're mesmerizing. You're intoxicating. I want you near me. I want to indulge you."

Ryan: "If my survival means the death of innocents, then so be it"

Kyliden: "This one is strong. He's brave and takes what he needs. He's a better werewolf then i could ever wish to be."

Diego: "I can't control what i feel, querida mia. This spark will become a big lively fire. It will consume me, it will consume you and everyone around us, and once nothing is left, new life will spring eternal."

Wade: "She made me love her before she sired me. She wanted a companion, a friend, a lover to indulge her throughout the centuries. Her demise filled me with emptiness; she was to give me a purpose and now I'm alone."
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It has nothing to do with me, but I have to ask- did I miss something? Did you get permission to do that... or just kill Lake without asking?
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Yeah, I'm quite sure you can't just KILL a character without permission. Maybe the GM can but I'm sure that a reg. character cannot do that...
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I'm not going to bother reading your post. You killed Lake? Fine. Enjoy. I'm not going to change a character I enjoyed because he doesn't fit in with your views. I regret not being allowed to actually experience the interaction with any of you other than Wackman's twisted interpretation of paranoid psychosis. But I'm not going to have my character the only one he walks all over. It's just not happening, and I'm sorry. You have used your character's overbearing ways since your first fucking post, and I wonder how long it will take for everyone to get fed up with it, because I certainly am. Good luck destroying what would have been, except for your power hungry concept, an amazing story. Enjoy the mess that's left.
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I would also like to point out that pretty much every single character except for Wackman's intends on the merging of these two superpowers. For those of you who intend this, I wish you nothing but the best of luck reversing all the shortsighted nonsense Zeitmann is going to put you through.
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Okay, seriously, Wackman and Aoberaz. You've both broken the rules here. You'll see I insisted everyone be nice and respectful in the OOC, and the two of you have created a toxic environment for the writer almost as much as the characters. Also, Wackman, you can't kill someone's character without permission. I shouldn't even have to list that as a rule.

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September 14, 2010, 12:18 am
not really...it's just... I don't even. I,ll let Zeitmann do the talking

God... nearly 2k words. This is ridiculous. Too much shit to go through, ah well.

Posted, believe you me.

I truly wanted a reason to not have Lake be killed, but he was such a disloyal, undisciplined,douche and he totally blew his last chance at... not dying, but i think that was your point. You really wanted him to die. How could he NOT die?

I mean to be so disrespectful and pull a trick like that, sure it might have worked on Sophia, and given the crisis do you really want the inexperienced guard that is wielding a Desert Eagle set to shot 0.50 calibers?!?!
Before I go I want to ask one question.

Did you even read the history of Lake Reiser? You say he was an inexperienced guard? He was built to have been the most loyal person in your mob, but only as long as he was treated with the respect he deserved from years of loyal service.

All he did was knock out one pissant, and make the other pee himself. You saw fit to blow that completely out of proportion. Sure, it might have been insubordinate of him, but you're overlooking the fact that as per the prearrangements made out of character (and therefore out of your CONTROL), those men he attacked were under his command and therefore his responsibility.

I knocked out a pair of NPC's and got my head blown off for it.

You've sent countless NPC's to their deaths and have paid nothing for it.

Do you really think you're justified?
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I vote for having Wackman's post edited or for something to drastically change in both the attitudes of the roleplayers and the way this roleplay is heading. If not, this rp will not survive under such hostile conditions.
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God yes. People, Paradox has just taken the words right off of my... keyboard? If Aoberaz still wants to remain in the RP I'm ordering Wackman to change his post. And both of you need to calm down or I'm black-listing someone.

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You know what? I never change the concepts I create to make them fit into a story better. Likewise, I never ask anyone to do the same for me. If two characters conflict because of it, that's an issue to be handled with civility and maturity. None of that has happened here.

What I am willing to do is compromise when I'm met half way. I have no problem editing my original post to exclude the one time I tried to take some creative license. But my impression of this entire situation has less to do with in character insubordination and more to do with the fact that there is something from within the ZeitMob who is actually willing to stand up when they see a tyrant. Nevertheless, if all it takes to avoid all this bullshit is to take out one line, fine. It was only padding in the first place.

There's my offer. If it's not enough to elicit one in return, then I'm through giving a shit what happens to Lake. This entire ordeal has been nothing but frustration and disappointment from the moment Lake left the Golden Lucky with Sophia. I have no problem playing "with the flow" of a story, but when that's all I'm doing I have to ask myself what the point of my concept's presence is. So far the answer I've gotten from myself is that Lake is only around to be constantly under distress because of a man he should respect rather than loathe.
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I thought i did get permission to kill Lake when he wrote « Blow his brains out or something if you want to punish him, but starting a chain of abuse isn't something he'll allow.”

I thought he was being serious. I was ready to simply have Zeitmann smack him ONCE and let him live to respect his daughter’s decision to save him, but again… He was such a douche. Seriously, he was begging to be killed. Literally, he actually got on his knees and had Stedman point a gun at him.

I mean you made a low ranking soldier in a hierarchy; did you not expect those higher ups to walk all over you? Why would you expect to be treated differently? It’s not like you would have much of a choice given the Profession Lake willingly chose, even if he specialized in protection. He’s just a lowly pawn. Zeitmann is being a tyrant to his mob for the single reason he doesn’t want it to continue existing. He hates his mob, HATES IT.

I do apologize for making a clearly flawed character. I should’ve made him perfect, without a hint of guilt or any sort of heavy burden and have him have infinite patience when a peon shows clear insubordination in his speech and mannerism.

Yes, I did read Reiser’s history and I stand by my decision to have Zeitmann call him inexperienced (A desert Eagle?! Really? That’s not a combat gun but a hunting one). You’d think he’d learn from his mistake when he found himself ‘alone’ against the Faust mob, but rather than work with people he… attacks them and runs them off acting like a lone wolf. What if that scenario happened again and he was found alone, AGAIN?!

Reiser may have been in charge of security, but that attack was still very much uncalled for. All it really proved was that Reiser seemed to be overly violent, if you know… He couldn’t throw his weight and straighten them out before attacking them. You also wrote that there were only two mooks guarding Sophia. You never did answer why you (the writer) only had two mooks protect Sophia. That’s not IC question, it was very much a OOC question. Not to mention that nice little comment Reiser said to one of Zeitmann’s camera.

It also revealed a lack of leadership if he couldn’t work with people; only one man intrusted with the life of Zeitmann’s daughter? I think not! Even if he was loyal, even if he was the best in the entire mob, a single man is not good protection.

Now, the countless of NPCs to their death and Reiser killing attacking two NPCs is different. I mean if you read the post…. Zeitmann wants the mob wars to end, and the npcs are just, criminals, crooks, low-life, scums…etc. Either they die, or get sent to jail once Zeitmann has taken down the Faust mob and turned himself in. He is going to pay for it at the end to have Reiser , a murderer, attack his own team…. Show clear insubordination, wielding a huge clunky not ‘subtle’ pistol, lack of discipline and failing to explain why he attacked those mooks. Je was being a liability and had to be dealt with. Not to mention he was very rude, what else did you expect? That he’d just ALLOW it? Was I not clear when I showed Zeitmann not be totally clear in the head? Did you really have to poke the deranged bear? You clearly understand that Zeitmann has gone off his rocker that was your main complaint, also about the way I shifted the RP drastically. I continued to have him be a cuckoo-lander, desperate, irrational and emotional. He is human, after all and his worst fear was about to be realized. He’s spiralling down this self-destructive path hoping to take down as many people with him so his little Sophie could be Queen of a cleaner kingdom. He is insane, his views are eschewed and so is his rationality.

I understand that things didn’t go as you planned: subtlety, intrigue, Zeitmann being pragmatic and looking down the city as one big chess game and having some very chirurgical type attacks here and there. While keeping close watch on his daughter’s whereabouts, and it was all thrown out the window when I had him kidnapped Faust.

I did apologize for that, several times. I did apologize for jumping the gun in having Zeitmann capture Faust, but I went with it. Rather than have the ‘typical’ mob boss, rather than have the sort of mob boss that was already shown several times in the media, rather than have a German devoid of emotions who absolutely must follow orders, I decided to go the overprotective father route all the way. I didn’t think it was that bad of a choice; a constant threat that has plagued his family for generations and a desperate attempt to bring it all to an end for a couple of generations.

I can make Reiser not die. I mean I had an explanation as to why Zeitmann would allow him to live, but you seemed so intent on having him die, and seemed so happy to be out of this RP. Should I really edit and have Reiser live? This is a legitimate question. You were very open about your… not liking the route I had ‘forced’ this RP to take but you never really did offer any solutions ooc that could fix this situation, you never suggested much of anything. Am I supposed to guess?

Why Zeitmann doesn’t want to unite both ZeitCo and FaustCo? “Art in Adversity” and there is a lot of here.
King of Wackatopia: "I'll guarantee your safety, give you meaning, give you knowledge and something to believe in for the low cost of your personal freedom."

Fang: "Look at you, you're gorgeous, you're beautiful, and when i look into your beautiful eyes all I see is this magnificent elegant creature, full of grace, full of strength. You're mesmerizing. You're intoxicating. I want you near me. I want to indulge you."

Ryan: "If my survival means the death of innocents, then so be it"

Kyliden: "This one is strong. He's brave and takes what he needs. He's a better werewolf then i could ever wish to be."

Diego: "I can't control what i feel, querida mia. This spark will become a big lively fire. It will consume me, it will consume you and everyone around us, and once nothing is left, new life will spring eternal."

Wade: "She made me love her before she sired me. She wanted a companion, a friend, a lover to indulge her throughout the centuries. Her demise filled me with emptiness; she was to give me a purpose and now I'm alone."
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*gets about half way through the third paragraph*

This discussion is getting us nowhere. Again and again I've tried to back down and avoid arguments, and every time I've been met with THIS. I'm going to make this short and to the point.

You decided to think of Lake as a low ranking member, not me. He was meant to have been portrayed as street-wise and able to see past face value. I don't give a flying fuck what you think my character was made for, he's not your fucking slave, no matter what position you called dibs on.

No, I didn't give you permission to kill my character. I gave you the chance to HOLD TO YOUR WORD and tone your concept down. You didn't, as I had anticipated. The entire scene of Lake offering his head on a platter was meant to convey the fact that he wasn't doing his job for any shallow means such as money or fame. Furthermore, I knew that if you weren't going to tone down, that it would give me a very convenient exit strategy because, as I said before, I'm through with putting up with you bullshit and the bullshit of your character.

I am not going to sit here and be attacked for your inability to compromise. I offered to negate the entire thing that had your character all kinds of wound up, and in return you wanted to "establish dominance" or something. Well guess what? You win. I'm sick to death of trying to pull something decent out of you when you clearly are dead set on noncooperation. By all means, find every single tiny thing to pick at with my character, continue tearing him apart piece by piece, but don't think any of the details I've included were meaningless. I put ten times the effort into creating my character, and all you did was slap together a couple of characteristics that you could run away with and called it a character.

For everyone: I joined this RP because it seemed like the kind of place to meet characters and strike friendships through adversity. I regret to have to say this, but because of the current Zeitmann, and his inability to change, compromise, or come to any kind of agreement he's willing to hold to, I leave you with this to think about.

I won't roleplay with him. Period. Whatever that means to the story, I'm beyond caring. I refuse to deal with him constantly taking shots both at me and at my character, because the only way I can deal is to retaliate, and I'm sick of that too. I've offered my compromise, promised to remove the root of this conflict and start over fresh, so long as something was offered in return, which didn't happen. Kick him out, shut him up, remake his character for him, I don't care. But I've had it up to here with the frustration he's caused me.
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I can see both of your sides and I respect both of you but I'm sick and tired of all this bickering. You obviously can not compromise so I'll make one for you. I certainly do not want to throw my weight around but I am the GM and I won't have this senselessness.

I'm sorry, Aoberaz and Wackman, you're both out. Please do not post here again unless I've re-approved you through PM.

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Well then, since that's through... what do we do now?
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We can keep going if we can. It looks like we're going to kill of the ZeitCo owner and Sophia is going to take over. But we're waiting on Paradox because she's a bit busy for this week to post.

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So sorry to be holding y'all up. I don't want to spit out garbage so I'm trying to wait for a time when I'm not rushing to give a good post. I hope to be able to do so tomorrow during one of my more "chill" classes.
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oh it's no big deal. ^^ whenever you get the chance you can go ahead.

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Oi vei. School is a menace to society. Anywho, now that I'm back(ish) how exactly should I respond? Should someone kill Zeitmann head in my post or...? I'm kinda at a loss as to how to write it up.
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Thread death? T-T
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NO. Iris just isn't on. I'm kinda stuck on how to post...
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Ah. ^^" Yeah, I can see how that's tough... easy for me, since I haven't actually had any contact yet, but two characters did just disappear... erm. Well, good luck? ^^" I don't really know how to help, I'm sorry... I was just wondering why no one said any more. ^^"
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This roleplay is closed due to inactivity or by request of the Game Master. Please contact one of the Roleplaying Moderators to have it reinstated.

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