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Israel fears UK moving towards recognising Palestinian state; UK is preparing to confer diplomatic status
Topic Started: Dec 23 2010, 02:55 AM (887 Views)
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Dec 23 2010, 01:44 PM
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Dec 23 2010, 01:32 PM
And why shouldn't we recognise them?
Becuse they never existed as a Nation and they are trying to build a Nation on someone else's land which is a recipe for big international trouble
The West bank belongs to Israel
Gaza throughout most of it's history has belonged to Egypt.

I my lifetime I have seen 3 countries get taken over by Islam and the UK has always been on the Islamists side. Maybe it's because we need the oil, or plain ole bully worship

Kosovo
Northern Cyprus
Lebanon

Bradford next??
Balls

The West Bank / Gaza Strip and the Golan Heights belong to the Tribe of Manasseh

So all those descendants of Manasseh like the McManus Maguiness Jameson, Jamieson, Jamison, MacHamish, Mackeamish
Robson, Robeson, Robison, Robinson, MacRob, Johnson, MacIan, MacCorkill, MacCorkle, Will, Wilson, MacWilliam and Williamson, Sandison, Henderson, Enrick, Inrig, Eanrig, Mann, Manson, Manus, Magnus, Georgeson, Gaunson, Ganson, Gallie, Nelson, Neilson, Swanson families and others should all be able to choose between staying in Britain or choosing to repatriate to their ancestors ancient lands IMHO.
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Villa, do you think Israel has the right to exist, if they give up the land of Palestine? I'm just wondering.
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You obviously have an agenda which is more important than patriotism to this country and regard for the British victims of Israeli terrorism.


Don't talk such tommy rot. That has nothing to do with the problem facing Israel. I know where this is going....same old same old.....You and others, do you believe you are the only people who had relatives in Israel at that time? Jeesh....amazing, and amazing that you have the audacity to judge my patriotism towards my country because of something that happened years and years ago.

I could twist your type of logic around too. Regards Islam v Israel. I thought we were all fighting the same enemy, can't start switching sides when it suits.


We are the British. but Israel keeps on giving, and still rockets, every day land in Israel. The more they give the more Hamas/Palis want - just look at their historic records over the last few years. Nothing is never enough and never will be.

When Hamas become a separate entity, Israel will be in even more dire peril. But who cares? Some probably too afraid and stand up for Israel as they will get accused of having a fecking agenda, for pitys sakes, not because what is happening.

A tiny strip of land of people can't be allowed to live in peace. Some, won't be happy until they have been wiped off the map - they can then lay down their ghosts of the past!
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Dec 23 2010, 01:46 PM
Wouldnt it be in Isreals interest to give them some land they can call Palestine...then let them get on with fcuking it up. Just cut off the west bank and say...thats palestine. Cant imagine Isreal wants millions of Arabs in east Jeruslem...Let Gaza become Gazistan..
If they accept Isreal. ?

No. Hamas has openly called for the destruction of Israel, if they had their own sovereign borders that they could import/export out of freely they could import some very nasty weapons from the very willing Iran.

They've done it before and they'll do it again. It is why Israel currently has them occupied and embargoed; they're a bunch of murderous fanatics.
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This thread is getting quite nasty so let me boil down to the core of what I am trying to say

I my lifetime I have seen 3 countries get taken over by Islam

Kosovo
Northern Cyprus
Lebanon
Pakistan created out of territory belonging to the Sikhs

Maybe we can all agree DON'T LET IT HAPPEN TO BRITAIN
Edited by Fritz, Dec 24 2010, 12:34 AM.
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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I won't be bullied either by being accused of having an agenda, that is to just shut me up. I am more than loyal to my country, I have always been loyal to my country, I always will be loyal to my country. I have family who are loyal to their country, in Afghanistan.

I worry deeply about the future of my children and my grand children, my family, my nieces and nephews. The country my parents and their parents laid down their lives for - so don't come onto me about being fecking patriotic. My country and its future means more to me than my life at the moment. So take your unjust and twisted logic and shove it.

Gone......
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Dec 24 2010, 12:33 AM
I won't be bullied either by being accused of having an agenda, that is to just shut me up. I am more than loyal to my country, I have always been loyal to my country, I always will be loyal to my country. I have family who are loyal to their country, in Afghanistan.

I worry deeply about the future of my children and my grand children, my family, my nieces and nephews. The country my parents and their parents laid down their lives for - so don't come onto me about being fecking patriotic. My country and its future means more to me than my life at the moment. So take your unjust and twisted logic and shove it.

Gone......
Well said. From the Heart
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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Dec 24 2010, 12:33 AM
This thread is getting quite nasty so let me boil down to the core of what I am trying to say

I my lifetime I have seen 3 countries get taken over by Islam

Kosovo
Northern Cyprus
Lebanon
Pakistan created out of territory belonging to the Sikhs

Maybe we can all agree DON'T LET IT HAPPEN TO BRITAIN
I do hope you know I meant "Balls" in that the West Bank belongs to the Tribe of Manasseh and not the Palestinians/Philistines?
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Geert Wilders, Allen West, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and other stalwarts of the anti-Jihadi movement understand the importance of the global nature of the fight against militant Islam.

None of them see it as simply being just a matter of fighting against Islamification in their own respective countries because they recognise that the problem requires an international perspective (remember the Swedish bomber was from Luton) to properly protect and safeguard their own individual homelands.

IMO you cannot properly protect England against militant Islam if you don't address the global reach and international networks used by militant Islam to confront the West - which confrontation is especially faced by outpost areas attempting to maintain such western values.

Mutual support and trying to grow international links to better protect England against the global menace of Militant Islam - that's why Tommy went to Amsterdam isn't it?

















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Wouldnt it be in Isreals interest to give them some land they can call Palestine...then let them get on with fcuking it up. Just cut off the west bank and say...thats palestine. Cant imagine Isreal wants millions of Arabs in east Jeruslem...Let Gaza become Gazistan..
If they accept Isreal. ?

I used to think like that, but now I think it would just weaken Israel and make Arabs feel more self-confident. They would take it as proof that they were right all along, and move on to the next claim, which in not being granted would justify another violent reaction. Besides, it's simply unfair. Muslims have nearly all of Africa and the Middle East, why do Jews need to make their tiny country even smaller just to placate the wrath of murderous thugs from a fictitious nation? Let them have Jordan!

Anyway, if they decided to make a Palestinian State in some portion of Israel (which they should not), they could take just a small bit of the West Bank (aka Judea and Samaria), which itself is a huge part of Israel, and historicallly Jewish without a doubt. But of course, the "Palestinians" will never accept that, so the point is moot.

As for the relevance, the EDL is against Islamization of the UK, but Islamization is an international phenomenon, so, in my humble opinion, it's natural for its members to follow every conflict between Islamists and someone else.

BTW, I'm ashamed to see Spain in the list of Palestine panderers. Typical of Spanish leftie governments and, alas, of a big sector of Spanish society.
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Besides, it's simply unfair. Muslims have nearly all of Africa and the Middle East, why do Jews need to make their tiny country even smaller just to placate the wrath of murderous thugs from a fictitious nation? Let them have Jordan!
Spot on. One of the reasons why I support Israel.
Plus, the Jewish people should have a country of their own.
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Dec 23 2010, 06:44 PM

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Punjab was a great and advanced nation before British intervention.

It really does suck.
If Punjab was that advanced how did us poor backward British conquer it? Let's not re-write history in an effort at PC revisionism please.
Because we were stronger, simple as that.

Theres a difference between political correctness and the god honest truth.

It's not an offence to the British to say the nation of Punjab was advanced. Saying that Punjab and the maratha confederacy which before British intervention was the majority of India. Were an advanced people and great warriors locked in a conflict with Islam for centuries, They knew the pain first hand and were fighting against unstoppable waves of Jihad when we were still having pointless turf wars between lords.
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Hi, i'm jewish so don't get me wrong, love the EDL, but why are there so many posts about isreal? i thought this was about england. i and most of my friends in london don't support the terrorism that isreal are doing in our name. pls don't confuse normal jewish people with zionists or assume that just because we have a different religion we are not as british as you.

i've been reading this forum for months but have only now joined so please don't swear or accuse me.

just read the above, i think a few of you need a history lesson. ever heard of the caananites? what about if a bunch of those chaps just turned up and tried to kill off all the isrealis saying it was all because god gave them permission.

the holy land should be a peaceful country for all religions, not just the jewish state that zionists want. and if were all honest it's only the lobby system of he u.s. government that has given these fundamentalists a voice and free reign to kill and torture. also killing and torture may just have a little to do with growing terrorist activities in reply.

i hope our government does recognise palestine, it would scream hypocrasy not to.

finally pls fern calm down, you can sometimes sound like a fanatic, don't talk about jews and zionists in the same breath, as we are not the same. most of us are peceful loving and accepting of all faiths and see no reason to try to erradicate another race.

see you all at the next demo. cheers
i would also call on all EDL supporters to reject this bombardment of pro isreal threads on here, to point out the obvious spelling and grammer in their posts i doubt that some of them are not even here in the UK. i am not a far right supporter and was told by an EDL leader that we( EDL) are not zionists or far right. there are other groups people can join to push their causes. maybe can we just sort out the problems here before helping the rest of the world.
I've got to go to work now so i can't post any replies but i am a history graduate and even studied in tel aviv for my final year, so don't try to tell me about the history of it all and how evil the muslims are. people who talk like that are brainwashed beyond help. i know the real history.
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Dec 24 2010, 05:19 AM
Hi, i'm jewish so don't get me wrong, love the EDL, but why are there so many posts about isreal? i thought this was about england. i and most of my friends in london don't support the terrorism that isreal are doing in our name. pls don't confuse normal jewish people with zionists or assume that just because we have a different religion we are not as british as you.

i've been reading this forum for months but have only now joined so please don't swear or accuse me.

just read the above, i think a few of you need a history lesson. ever heard of the caananites? what about if a bunch of those chaps just turned up and tried to kill off all the isrealis saying it was all because god gave them permission.

the holy land should be a peaceful country for all religions, not just the jewish state that zionists want. and if were all honest it's only the lobby system of he u.s. government that has given these fundamentalists a voice and free reign to kill and torture. also killing and torture may just have a little to do with growing terrorist activities in reply.

i hope our government does recognise palestine, it would scream hypocrasy not to.

finally pls fern calm down, you can sometimes sound like a fanatic, don't talk about jews and zionists in the same breath, as we are not the same. most of us are peceful loving and accepting of all faiths and see no reason to try to erradicate another race.

see you all at the next demo. cheers
i would also call on all EDL supporters to reject this bombardment of pro isreal threads on here, to point out the obvious spelling and grammer in their posts i doubt that some of them are not even here in the UK. i am not a far right supporter and was told by an EDL leader that we( EDL) are not zionists or far right. there are other groups people can join to push their causes. maybe can we just sort out the problems here before helping the rest of the world.
I've got to go to work now so i can't post any replies but i am a history graduate and even studied in tel aviv for my final year, so don't try to tell me about the history of it all and how evil the muslims are. people who talk like that are brainwashed beyond help. i know the real history.
You register, and head directly to the only two threads with Israel in them, then go offline. Now how cute is that, dumbass.

I have better things to do than waste my time on some illiterate lying moron (uk4ever sock puppet), I'd get more sense talking to a lump of dog pooh.



This so-called "bombardment of Israel threads", where in fact are they? Oh, yes, in the off topic section, silly me! Off to go look, being that there are so many of them, there is a great possibility, I may not be back for sometime! [sarc]
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to point out the obvious spelling and grammer in their posts i doubt that some of them are not even here in the UK


Looks at the content of the_englander's post and laughs my a** off!

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can anyone have their own point of view or just with your permission? i honestly thought you would call me a nazi or infiltrator, but 'sock puppet' what does that even mean? i know you and your merry bunch will understand your in jokes, but it remains sad that you have nothing better to do that try and push your extreme views on others without even adressing a point.

i registered because i had something to say. but again this makes you angry because educated people can sign up and point to the gaping holes in your ideology. do you ever wonder why most british jews are fully intergrated an don't see themselves as anyhting to do with isreal?

relax fern, take a break. stop insulting people, try to get informed on the situation and get your own point of view instead of just ranting and repeating extremist dribble.
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people who talk like that are brainwashed beyond help. i know the real history.
The real History from a Christian Zionists website. There are 60 million Christian Zionists in the USA alone, and they are Israel's loyalist friends
http://christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/septoct99/factmyth.html
Edited by Fritz, Dec 24 2010, 07:29 AM.
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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sorry, yes i understand. you mean i am a follower of uk4ever's posts.

now i'm 'lmfao', he's right, you do sound like fox news. funny as hell
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I don't see an introduction from your good self the_englander or have you been here before, in a different cloak?

Not going to work after all then the_englander?
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at work, but that reminds me fern, is it time for your 'special' bus to pick you up for school yet?
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Hi, i'm jewish so don't get me wrong, love the EDL, but why are there so many posts about isreal? i thought this was about england. i and most of my friends in london don't support the terrorism that isreal are doing in our name. pls don't confuse normal jewish people with zionists or assume that just because we have a different religion we are not as british as you.

i've been reading this forum for months but have only now joined so please don't swear or accuse me.

just read the above, i think a few of you need a history lesson. ever heard of the caananites? what about if a bunch of those chaps just turned up and tried to kill off all the isrealis saying it was all because god gave them permission.

the holy land should be a peaceful country for all religions, not just the jewish state that zionists want. and if were all honest it's only the lobby system of he u.s. government that has given these fundamentalists a voice and free reign to kill and torture. also killing and torture may just have a little to do with growing terrorist activities in reply.

i hope our government does recognise palestine, it would scream hypocrasy not to.

finally pls fern calm down, you can sometimes sound like a fanatic, don't talk about jews and zionists in the same breath, as we are not the same. most of us are peceful loving and accepting of all faiths and see no reason to try to erradicate another race.

see you all at the next demo. cheers
i would also call on all EDL supporters to reject this bombardment of pro isreal threads on here, to point out the obvious spelling and grammer in their posts i doubt that some of them are not even here in the UK. i am not a far right supporter and was told by an EDL leader that we( EDL) are not zionists or far right. there are other groups people can join to push their causes. maybe can we just sort out the problems here before helping the rest of the world.
I've got to go to work now so i can't post any replies but i am a history graduate and even studied in tel aviv for my final year, so don't try to tell me about the history of it all and how evil the muslims are. people who talk like that are brainwashed beyond help. i know the real history.
I've got several problems with your posting.

1) The Holy Land is best in the hands of Israel. What if it were handed over to the Arabs? To the "Palestinians"? I bet you every dime I have that every Jewish and Christian site would be desecrated within days. Those sites are commonly desecrated as is, so it would not be a stretch to say that they would be flat-out destroyed if they were handed over to the "Palestinians".

It could be a peaceful country as could the entire region if the peoples that inhabit it (predominantly Arabs) were to have a tradition of critical thinking and of not trying to scapegoat every problem (have they ever said a problem was from their own doing?).

2) I am not of the inclination that Israel sponsors terrorism. It's defending its citizenry, just as it should. It faces an enemy which uses its own civilian base as shields. It uses the media to turn the world in its favor (the 1972 Olympic hostage tragedy was meant to be used in this way) by exaggerating the so-called plight it experiences. Every inch that Israel tries to give to gain peace is shat on. Israel's enemies will not give up until it ceases to exist. It's response must be disproportionate to show that it will not take threats to the security of its citizenry lightly. But the Palestinians now elected government, refuses to turn away from its history of endorsing terrorism and continues to put its citizenry in harms way. Much like its leaders have said "we love death; while they (Israel) loves life."

So long as area that is called the Palestinian Territories is dominated by Islamists hellbent on destroying Israel, it should never be recognized. Bringing Hamas to the table will do very little to change the diplomatic attitudes. It'll only lead to more demands with little payoff. The security of Israel will continue to be threatened and that is unacceptable.

3) It's quite unnerving how you cannot see how a group like the EDL would be so supportive of a state like Israel. Israel is on the frontline against jihad. Much like the EDL is on the frontline against the threat from subversive jihad. Working to clean out the poison which now inflicts its country. And which has murdered its people.

I do pray for the day when Israel can live side by side with its Arab neighbors. Egypt after finally getting beaten around so soundly recognized Israel and the two have been on rather hospitable terms. I hope that one day the same can be said for the rest of Israel's neighbors. Enough blood has been shed already. But so long as Isreal is threatened, conflict will continue.
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Hi, i'm jewish so don't get me wrong, love the EDL, but why are there so many posts about isreal? i thought this was about england. i and most of my friends in london don't support the terrorism that isreal are doing in our name. pls don't confuse normal jewish people with zionists or assume that just because we have a different religion we are not as british as you.

i've been reading this forum for months but have only now joined so please don't swear or accuse me.

just read the above, i think a few of you need a history lesson. ever heard of the caananites? what about if a bunch of those chaps just turned up and tried to kill off all the isrealis saying it was all because god gave them permission.

the holy land should be a peaceful country for all religions, not just the jewish state that zionists want. and if were all honest it's only the lobby system of he u.s. government that has given these fundamentalists a voice and free reign to kill and torture. also killing and torture may just have a little to do with growing terrorist activities in reply.

i hope our government does recognise palestine, it would scream hypocrasy not to.

finally pls fern calm down, you can sometimes sound like a fanatic, don't talk about jews and zionists in the same breath, as we are not the same. most of us are peceful loving and accepting of all faiths and see no reason to try to erradicate another race.

see you all at the next demo. cheers
i would also call on all EDL supporters to reject this bombardment of pro isreal threads on here, to point out the obvious spelling and grammer in their posts i doubt that some of them are not even here in the UK. i am not a far right supporter and was told by an EDL leader that we( EDL) are not zionists or far right. there are other groups people can join to push their causes. maybe can we just sort out the problems here before helping the rest of the world.
I've got to go to work now so i can't post any replies but i am a history graduate and even studied in tel aviv for my final year, so don't try to tell me about the history of it all and how evil the muslims are. people who talk like that are brainwashed beyond help. i know the real history.
I've got several problems with your posting.

1) The Holy Land is best in the hands of Israel. What if it were handed over to the Arabs? To the "Palestinians"? I bet you every dime I have that every Jewish and Christian site would be desecrated within days. Those sites are commonly desecrated as is, so it would not be a stretch to say that they would be flat-out destroyed if they were handed over to the "Palestinians".

It could be a peaceful country as could the entire region if the peoples that inhabit it (predominantly Arabs) were to have a tradition of critical thinking and of not trying to scapegoat every problem (have they ever said a problem was from their own doing?).

2) I am not of the inclination that Israel sponsors terrorism. It's defending its citizenry, just as it should. It faces an enemy which uses its own civilian base as shields. It uses the media to turn the world in its favor (the 1972 Olympic hostage tragedy was meant to be used in this way) by exaggerating the so-called plight it experiences. Every inch that Israel tries to give to gain peace is shat on. Israel's enemies will not give up until it ceases to exist. It's response must be disproportionate to show that it will not take threats to the security of its citizenry lightly. But the Palestinians now elected government, refuses to turn away from its history of endorsing terrorism and continues to put its citizenry in harms way. Much like its leaders have said "we love death; while they (Israel) loves life."

So long as area that is called the Palestinian Territories is dominated by Islamists hellbent on destroying Israel, it should never be recognized. Bringing Hamas to the table will do very little to change the diplomatic attitudes. It'll only lead to more demands with little payoff. The security of Israel will continue to be threatened and that is unacceptable.

3) It's quite unnerving how you cannot see how a group like the EDL would be so supportive of a state like Israel. Israel is on the frontline against jihad. Much like the EDL is on the frontline against the threat from subversive jihad. Working to clean out the poison which now inflicts its country. And which has murdered its people.

I do pray for the day when Israel can live side by side with its Arab neighbors. Egypt after finally getting beaten around so soundly recognized Israel and the two have been on rather hospitable terms. I hope that one day the same can be said for the rest of Israel's neighbors. Enough blood has been shed already. But so long as Isreal is threatened, conflict will continue.
Well said
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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Villa, do you think Israel has the right to exist, if they give up the land of Palestine? I'm just wondering.
Where have I ever said Israel has no right to exist? Another typical, over-used, worn out question from the pro-Israel lobby on here.
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Dec 24 2010, 12:33 AM
I won't be bullied either by being accused of having an agenda, that is to just shut me up. I am more than loyal to my country, I have always been loyal to my country, I always will be loyal to my country. I have family who are loyal to their country, in Afghanistan.

I worry deeply about the future of my children and my grand children, my family, my nieces and nephews. The country my parents and their parents laid down their lives for - so don't come onto me about being fecking patriotic. My country and its future means more to me than my life at the moment. So take your unjust and twisted logic and shove it.

Gone......
Another lengthy rant designed to wear people down. All you have done on this thread is embarrass yourself with the hysterical replies.....
I would've thought the Israeli Embassy demonstration would've shown the pro-Israel lobby where the priorities of rank and file EDL supporters lie, mind you some of the people shouting the loudest on this thread are yet to show us their super-patriotism and haven't put themselves out to attend a demo...
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I would've thought the Israeli Embassy demonstration would've shown the pro-Israel lobby where the priorities of rank and file EDL supporters lie,
Just out of interest. Where you there ?
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Geert Wilders, Allen West, Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and other stalwarts of the anti-Jihadi movement understand the importance of the global nature of the fight against militant Islam.

None of them see it as simply being just a matter of fighting against Islamification in their own respective countries because they recognise that the problem requires an international perspective (remember the Swedish bomber was from Luton) to properly protect and safeguard their own individual homelands.

IMO you cannot properly protect England against militant Islam if you don't address the global reach and international networks used by militant Islam to confront the West - which confrontation is especially faced by outpost areas attempting to maintain such western values.















We should not forget the bombers of Mikes Place in Israel, who also happened to be from Britain

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IMO you cannot properly protect England against militant Islam if you don't address the global reach and international networks used by militant Islam to confront the West - which confrontation is especially faced by outpost areas attempting to maintain such western values.


It is the Global Networks that give the Islamists Strength,
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Mutual support and trying to grow international links to better protect England against the global menace of Militant Islam - that's why Tommy went to Amsterdam isn't it?


And Geert Wilders going to Israel
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Villa, do you think Israel has the right to exist, if they give up the land of Palestine? I'm just wondering.
Where have I ever said Israel has no right to exist? Another typical, over-used, worn out question from the pro-Israel lobby on here.
Villa, it was an honest question. I wasn't accusing you of anything and I was just curious of what your answer would be.
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Tutaminis legio
Dec 24 2010, 03:14 AM
VillaLoyal
Dec 23 2010, 06:44 PM

Tutaminis legio
Dec 23 2010, 03:48 PM
Punjab was a great and advanced nation before British intervention.

It really does suck.
If Punjab was that advanced how did us poor backward British conquer it? Let's not re-write history in an effort at PC revisionism please.
Because we were stronger, simple as that.

Theres a difference between political correctness and the god honest truth.

It's not an offence to the British to say the nation of Punjab was advanced. Saying that Punjab and the maratha confederacy which before British intervention was the majority of India. Were an advanced people and great warriors locked in a conflict with Islam for centuries, They knew the pain first hand and were fighting against unstoppable waves of Jihad when we were still having pointless turf wars between lords.
The Maratha Confederacy was Hindu. The Sikhs lost both Anglo-Sikh wars because of British superiority in many areas, mainly discipline (and a spot of betrayal I believe) rather than advanced technology, although I will concede the Sikhs possessed no heavy guns.
You say they were so advanced while we were having pointless turf wars, are you for real with that statement? The main reason Britain gained so much of India in such a short space of time is because we were asked to join one side or another in countless domestic Indian 'pointless turf wars', we took advantage of the situation we were gifted with as a result
It's easy to talk this country down, as generations of school kids have been brainwashed with anti-British rhetoric, but the truth is out there for anyone who cares to look and this country has no rivals, no-one in history even comes close to what this little island acheived
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