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Israel fears UK moving towards recognising Palestinian state; UK is preparing to confer diplomatic status
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Israel fears UK moving towards recognising Palestinian state
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/israel-fears-uk-moving-towards-recognising-palestinian-state-15036433.html
Wednesday, 22 December 2010

The UK is preparing to confer diplomatic status on the Palestinian delegation in London for the first time, renewing fears in Israel that Europe is moving closer to recognising an independent Palestinian state.

The British Foreign Office confirmed it was studying a plan to see Palestinian "general delegations" upgraded to "diplomatic missions" in a number of European capitals.

Coming just weeks after the collapse of direct peace negotiations, following Israel's refusal to halt settlement construction in the West Bank, the move was denounced by the Israeli government. Yigal Palmor, a spokesman for the Israeli foreign ministry, said: "This will certainly not encourage the Palestinians to return to direct talks."

Although the change of status is largely symbolic, Israel has started a major lobbying campaign to stop the move.

Meanwhile, the Palestinian leadership has stepped up its efforts to win European recognition for a state on land occupied by Israel in 1967.

France, Spain and Portugal were the first countries to have upgraded the standing of Palestinian representation.

This month, several South American countries, including Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Bolivia declared their recognition of a Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders.
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Dec 23 2010, 03:00 AM
And?
It's an interesting article.
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Oh, in what way?
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Oh, in what way?
Well some people here are interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict. Me for example.
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Great post, thanks for bringing it to the forum...
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Dec 23 2010, 03:04 AM
Oh, in what way?
Well some people here are interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict. Me for example.


Yeah fair enough, so what you saying about it then? Who's right? Should the British government recognise Palestinians as diplomats or not?
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There's no such people or country as Palestine, well there is but it's really Jordan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxYnkxbAdE
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Oh, in what way?
Well some people here are interested in the Israel/Palestine conflict. Me for example.


Yeah fair enough, so what you saying about it then? Who's right? Should the British government recognise Palestinians as diplomats or not?
I don't know. Do you support Israel? If you don't mind me asking.
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I don't mind you asking, and yes I do support Israel.
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Yes, they should do it. I know, contrary view. The British government should let the foreign office destroy the UK and sleep with little Arab boys just as they have wanted to since the time of Lawrence of Arabia.

The further the government swings toward what Neville Chamberlin said in the House of Commons in 1938 (have to check dates), the further the good PEOPLE of the UK will swing toward what Winston Churchill said a couple of years later.

Chamberlain said "If we are to anger one side or the other let it be the Jews". His "real politik" views of siding with the oil and the larger numbers instead of good versus evil were a real success I think we can all agree.

It will just accelerate the take back of the UK by good people so go ahead, recognise them and invite them all round for Ferero Roche and sherry.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


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They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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The West overall has done a stand up job in supporting the so-called "Palestinians" for decades now. Recognition of the PA/PLO is just a small step for them. Whether it be Swedish politicians chanting for another intifada during a anti-Israel rally or some Lib-Dem saying "Israel is THE cause of terrorism."

I've been for quite some time of the inclination, as Andy has previously stated, that there is no such thing as a country or a people as Palestine. Much like Nigel Farage's comment about Belgium being a non-country. Palestine is an artificial construction, that's so-called plight has infected the West. Not sure how people called "prisoners" can drive around Porsche's/Ferrari's/etc.
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No. They only have Porsches. The Fiat importer and the government have blocked all Ferraris into Israel as far as I know. :)

And I believe The Prisoner had a Lotus 7 and we don't have them here either.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century.
They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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Dec 23 2010, 07:16 AM
No. They only have Porsches. The Fiat importer and the government have blocked all Ferraris into Israel as far as I know. :)

And I believe The Prisoner had a Lotus 7 and we don't have them here either.
Thanks for the correction. Couldn't remember exactly what sort of high-end cars they were getting.
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Very frightening and shocking read. I am ashamed of my country and feel very fearful of our future and Israel's.

The philistines won't be happy until they destroy Israel - that is their aim and always will be, and when they have finished with Israel they, Iran, Hezbollah and all their bastard cohorts, will join forces in concentrating on the infidels.

This fcuking government.......
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I mean, honestly, look at Atlas Shrugs site today.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/

Bus ads, criminalising Israel, never the terrorists! She is trying to counter those ads with the bus company, but the bus company is having kittens about her choice of advert, yet they didn't give two hoots about the demonising ads they installed on the buses about Israel...Then the ads by muslims about Christmas.

The rise and blatant anti-semitism is truly frightening. Any normal person would know by supporting this anti-semitism and Palestine surrounding all these issues, is supporting Hamas, Hezb, Iran, Syria, Turkey (the Axis) et al, all of those who want to rid the world of Christians, Jews and infidels and eventually rule the World, so far, they are doing just bloody fine with the help of dhimmis and the very ignorant tunnel visioned idiots.

What do the religious peeps say? Forgive them L**d, for they know not what they do (or something like that)......that's from me, someone who is a non-believer, but it is apt in these circumstances, I can not think of a better saying at the moment, maybe cos I am tired........deep sigh, please wake up people.
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one of the ads Atlas wants to run but the bus company are sh1t scared, so its okay to demonise Israel or Jews, but never the real terrorists!
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and don't kid yourself with the anti-christmas ad, that is sharia, islam, and it will only get worse. If they had their way they will ban it - and so they probably will when they have enof power.
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hang on brian, I do agree but giving them ferrero roche is a bit much we should just give them after eights, ferrero are simply tooooo nice.
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Great post by the OP.

I must ask the question. We are the EDL or are we the IDL?...

i know some of the posters on this forum are interested in the israel / palestinian crisis, but a lot of us on here are not. I find an awful lot of threads on this subject clogging up EDL chat. So i am asking if a seperate area for all this can go into, so anyone who wants to chew the fat on the Israel / palestinian crisis can do so.

I joined this forum to discuss the problems in the UK and the Uk alone i believe that a lot of posters have done the same.

MODS can a seperate Israel folder be made up and all posts,threads be placed in there?
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This poster says it all.

Ignoring the copyright issues for a moment, from now on every EDL member at every Demo should have this sown to their clothing. In that way you will eliminate the moronic journalists coming out with the same tired old rubbish, racist, phobic, fascist etc

Some slight changes in wording to make it more UK relevent
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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And why shouldn't we recognise them? They have just as much of a right to be recognised as a state as Israel.
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I joined this forum to discuss the problems in the UK and the Uk alone i believe that a lot of posters have done the same.

MODS can a seperate Israel folder be made up and all posts,threads be placed in there?
A lot of Israel threads are moved to Off Topic. This stayed because it involved the UK directly.

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Dec 23 2010, 01:32 PM
And why shouldn't we recognise them?
Becuse they never existed as a Nation and they are trying to build a Nation on someone else's land which is a recipe for big international trouble
The West bank belongs to Israel
Gaza throughout most of it's history has belonged to Egypt.

I my lifetime I have seen 3 countries get taken over by Islam and the UK has always been on the Islamists side. Maybe it's because we need the oil, or plain ole bully worship

Kosovo
Northern Cyprus
Lebanon

Bradford next??
Edited by Fritz, Dec 23 2010, 01:45 PM.
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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Wouldnt it be in Isreals interest to give them some land they can call Palestine...then let them get on with fcuking it up. Just cut off the west bank and say...thats palestine. Cant imagine Isreal wants millions of Arabs in east Jeruslem...Let Gaza become Gazistan..
If they accept Isreal. ?

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Wouldnt it be in Isreals interest to give them some land they can call Palestine...then let them get on with fcuking it up.
Probably.
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And why shouldn't we recognise them?
Becuse they never existed as a Nation and they are trying to build a Nation on someone else's land which is a recipe for big international trouble
The West bank belongs to Israel
Gaza throughout most of it's history has belonged to Egypt.

I my lifetime I have seen 3 countries get taken over by Islam and the UK has always been on the Islamists side. Maybe it's because we need the oil, or plain ole bully worship

Kosovo
Northern Cyprus
Lebanon

Bradford next??
The British created Pakistan !!! Straight through the middle of Punjab ( Sikh homeland ) disregarding how loyal they were to the UK in the wars.

We created a Frankenstein Monster that we are having to deal with today.
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And why shouldn't we recognise them?
Becuse they never existed as a Nation and they are trying to build a Nation on someone else's land which is a recipe for big international trouble
So what was British Mandate Palestine?
And isn't Israel building on someone elses land a recipe for big international trouble? What about the settlers who are allowed to sequester other people's properties, is that conducive to peaceful co-existance?
There is right and wrong on both sides, there is a need for dialogue, just like with the EDL, if the government entered into a dialogue and addressed some of the concerns, there would be less problems. That is what is needed, if Israel stopped helping HAMAS to portray itself as the saviour of the Palestinian people, the whole thing would be nearer resolution
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And why shouldn't we recognise them?
Becuse they never existed as a Nation and they are trying to build a Nation on someone else's land which is a recipe for big international trouble
The West bank belongs to Israel
Gaza throughout most of it's history has belonged to Egypt.

I my lifetime I have seen 3 countries get taken over by Islam and the UK has always been on the Islamists side. Maybe it's because we need the oil, or plain ole bully worship

Kosovo
Northern Cyprus
Lebanon

Bradford next??
The British created Pakistan !!! Straight through the middle of Punjab ( Sikh homeland ) disregarding how loyal they were to the UK in the wars.

We created a Frankenstein Monster that we are having to deal with today.
Apologies LionSingh for missing out Pakistan. Britains first 2 state solution. Lord Mountbattens idea I believe
Terrorism Central would have been a better name

I am ashamed to say that Britain stabbed the honorable Sikhs in the back in favour of the duplicitous Muslims and the whole world is paying for it now.
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Dec 23 2010, 01:51 PM
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And why shouldn't we recognise them?
Becuse they never existed as a Nation and they are trying to build a Nation on someone else's land which is a recipe for big international trouble
So what was British Mandate Palestine?
And isn't Israel building on someone elses land a recipe for big international trouble? What about the settlers who are allowed to sequester other people's properties, is that conducive to peaceful co-existance?
There is right and wrong on both sides, there is a need for dialogue, just like with the EDL, if the government entered into a dialogue and addressed some of the concerns, there would be less problems. That is what is needed, if Israel stopped helping HAMAS to portray itself as the saviour of the Palestinian people, the whole thing would be nearer resolution
Allow me to educate you
British Mandate Palestine is named after Palestine which is a geographical area and does not refer to any nation or race of people. Like the sahara it just refers to geophical area
British Mandate Palestine only came into existance in 1918 (I believe) when general Allenby drove the Ottoman Turks out of the area.
British Mandate Palestine was 42,000 sq miles and 36,000 was given to the arabs to form Jordan
The remaining 8,000 sq miles is now Israel.
So why not give some land in Jordan to the Palestinians. Well some years ago under Yasser Arafats 20,000 palestinians tried to do just that and were exterminated by the Jordanian Army (Google Black September)

By Settlers I suppose you mean Israeli jews building homes in their own Capital city and it's environs. Why would they need permission from a foreign government to do that?

HTH


Edited by Fritz, Dec 23 2010, 03:17 PM.
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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I suppose if I were there I would have done anything just to get out. Nigeria is another majot problem...the muslim north and the animist/christian south that will explode.

If you look at maps..the straight lines regardless of tribes or religion...that has caused one hell of a mess.

With regards to pakistan...It had the rich north and should be stable and economically successful. India has done it with many in poverty but mixed, and a kind of functioning democracy. Have to be fair, met quite a few muslims in Indian who hate Pakistan with a vengence. My parents are from India..so bias of course. A Sikh primeminister...and an Italian now Indian Sonia Ghandi.

Pakistan (the land of the pure..hee hee) imploded because of Islam.

It is the antithesis of India.

All it is is the worlds fastest nuke aquiring country in the world...the birthplace of taliban. Military-Islamacist junta. It cant look after its own...just supporting terrorist groups that kill Brits...even it's cricket team arent trusted.

for the Pakistani EDL members...look at your own backwardness before blaming the world or India. Look at your diaspora and their failure . Nothing stopped you from advancing...but Islam. You want it so live in the sh1t you follow.
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There's no such people or country as Palestine, well there is but it's really Jordan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxYnkxbAdE
There,s also no country called Pakinstan if you look at this like that.
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And why shouldn't we recognise them?
Becuse they never existed as a Nation and they are trying to build a Nation on someone else's land which is a recipe for big international trouble
The West bank belongs to Israel
Gaza throughout most of it's history has belonged to Egypt.

I my lifetime I have seen 3 countries get taken over by Islam and the UK has always been on the Islamists side. Maybe it's because we need the oil, or plain ole bully worship

Kosovo
Northern Cyprus
Lebanon

Bradford next??
The British created Pakistan !!! Straight through the middle of Punjab ( Sikh homeland ) disregarding how loyal they were to the UK in the wars.

We created a Frankenstein Monster that we are having to deal with today.
Yea i know its a real shame, Punjab was a great and advanced nation before British intervention.

It really does suck.
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And why shouldn't we recognise them?
Becuse they never existed as a Nation and they are trying to build a Nation on someone else's land which is a recipe for big international trouble
The West bank belongs to Israel
Gaza throughout most of it's history has belonged to Egypt.

I my lifetime I have seen 3 countries get taken over by Islam and the UK has always been on the Islamists side. Maybe it's because we need the oil, or plain ole bully worship

Kosovo
Northern Cyprus
Lebanon

Bradford next??
The British created Pakistan !!! Straight through the middle of Punjab ( Sikh homeland ) disregarding how loyal they were to the UK in the wars.

We created a Frankenstein Monster that we are having to deal with today.
The labour party created pakistan just like they bomded bagdad and not in my name i can tell you
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Israel will never be destroyed and those that curse Israel will be cursed. Those that bless Israel will be blessed. The future looks good for most members of the EDL.
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Israel will never be destroyed and those that curse Israel will be cursed. Those that bless Israel will be blessed. The future looks good for most members of the EDL.
With all due respect mate? what a load of bollocks it must be the gypis in you. :D
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Israel will never be destroyed and those that curse Israel will be cursed. Those that bless Israel will be blessed. The future looks good for most members of the EDL.
With all due respect mate? what a load of bollocks it must be the gypis in you. :D
Calm down dear. It is a Biblical quotation ;)
Edited by Fritz, Dec 23 2010, 06:17 PM.
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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So what was British Mandate Palestine?
And isn't Israel building on someone elses land a recipe for big international trouble? What about the settlers who are allowed to sequester other people's properties, is that conducive to peaceful co-existance?
There is right and wrong on both sides, there is a need for dialogue, just like with the EDL, if the government entered into a dialogue and addressed some of the concerns, there would be less problems. That is what is needed, if Israel stopped helping HAMAS to portray itself as the saviour of the Palestinian people, the whole thing would be nearer resolution
Allow me to educate you
British Mandate Palestine is named after Palestine which is a geographical area and does not refer to any nation or race of people. Like the sahara it just refers to geophical area
British Mandate Palestine only came into existance in 1918 (I believe) when general Allenby drove the Ottoman Turks out of the area.
British Mandate Palestine was 42,000 sq miles and 36,000 was given to the arabs to form Jordan
The remaining 8,000 sq miles is now Israel.
So why not give some land in Jordan to the Palestinians. Well some years ago under Yasser Arafats 20,000 palestinians tried to do just that and were exterminated by the Jordanian Army (Google Black September)

By Settlers I suppose you mean Israeli jews building homes in their own Capital city and it's environs. Why would they need permission from a foreign government to do that?

HTH


So an area called Palestine was recognised internationally BEFORE the state of Israel.
And of course I'm not on about Jerusalem you fool, I am on about disputed territories where Israeli's insist on building on and in a lot of cases seize houses from Palestinians using the Israeli courts.

Tutaminis legio
Dec 23 2010, 03:48 PM
Punjab was a great and advanced nation before British intervention.

It really does suck.
If Punjab was that advanced how did us poor backward British conquer it? Let's not re-write history in an effort at PC revisionism please.
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I suppose if I were there I would have done anything just to get out. Nigeria is another majot problem...the muslim north and the animist/christian south that will explode.

If you look at maps..the straight lines regardless of tribes or religion...that has caused one hell of a mess.
Straight lines, another disastrous foreign policy
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If Punjab was that advanced how did us poor backward British conquer it? Let's not re-write history in an effort at PC revisionism please.

Yep. Try the east India tea company for a start. love to see us poor backward British conquer it again.
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Israel will never be destroyed and those that curse Israel will be cursed. Those that bless Israel will be blessed. The future looks good for most members of the EDL.
With all due respect mate? what a load of bollocks it must be the gypis in you. :D
Calm down dear. It is a Biblical quotation ;)
Thanks Fritz - do you remember when Bond spears the villain and says " I think he got the point". Thanks for helping him get the point.
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So an area called Palestine was recognised internationally BEFORE the state of Israel.

No

I have a very good book A DICTIONARY OF ISLAM dating from 1885 it contains 772 pages, guess what/ it mentions a lot of things, but there is nothing about palestine.

I am not surprised by this lastest betrayal of Israel by the british bending over to the arabs

During the British mandate the Jews where betrayed three times

BETRAYAL 1

The 1922 White Paper: The first official manifesto interpreting the Balfour Declaration, it was issued on June 3, 1922, after the 1921 disturbances. Although the White Paper stated that the Balfour Declaration could not be amended and that the Jews were in Palestine by right, it reduced the area of the Mandate by excluding the area east of the Jordan River, which was given to the Emir Abdullah. This document also established the principle of "economic absorptive capacity" as a factor for determining the immigration quota of Jews to Palestine.

BETRAYAL 2

The 1930 White Paper: Issued on October 21, 1930, after the 1929 disturbances, the document stated that if Jewish immigration prevented the Arab residents from obtaining work, the Mandatory government should curtail such immigration or even terminate it. Because of the shortage of arable land, Jewish settlement would be permitted only under stringent government supervision. On February 13, 1931, British Prime Minister Ramsay MacDonald sent a letter to Dr. Weizmann somewhat easing these provisions.

BETRAYAL 3

The 1939 White Paper: Issued on May 17, 1939, it rejected, in essence, the Peel Commission's partition plan on the grounds that it was not feasible. The document stated that Palestine would be neither a Jewish state nor an Arab one, but an independent state to be established within ten years with the jews being no more than a third of the population. Jewish immigration to Palestine was limited to 75,000 for the first five years, subject to the country's "economic absorptive capacity", and would later be contingent on Arab consent. Stringent restrictions were imposed on land acquisition by Jews.

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So an area called Palestine was recognised internationally BEFORE the state of Israel.
And of course I'm not on about Jerusalem you fool, I am on about disputed territories where Israeli's insist on building on and in a lot of cases seize houses from Palestinians using the Israeli courts.



I won't rise to your insult but will concede that maybe I am a fool, because to dispute with someone who doesn't know precise meaning of basic English words (Nation, State, Land etc, or has only the most superficial idea of the history of the place, does indeed make me a fool

1. An area is not a Nation

2. The return of the European Jews in the 20th century merely showed the existing dhimmi jews of the middle east and Israel how to regain control of the government of their state. This culminated in the re-founding of the state of Israel.

3. A jewish population has never been absent from Israel. The influx of European Jews in the 20th century merely facilitated the wresting back of control from the corrupt conquerors. And what did these conquerors give the mankind? The word baksheesh? New methods of fighting like Taqiyya and Kitman

4. The disputed territories have only been occupied by arabs since 1929 when they murdered the jewish inhabitants of Hebron. Since then they have not even bothered to to change the name to an arabic one (Hebron is hebrew)

But do not take my word for any of the above, check out the Christians for Israel site below.
http://christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/septoct99/factmyth.html

Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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There is no P in Arabic. They picked a name none of them can say, that one always cracks me up.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century.
They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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There is no P in Arabic. They picked a name none of them can say, that one always cracks me up.
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I didn't realise EDL had specifically made a point to deliberately whisk Israel info off to Off Topic (where many do never or rarely venture, I for one, because I just don't find the time to visit other sub-boards). Amazing that there is still so much anti-Israel residing within the EDL members - unbelievable.

I do find it disconcerting knowing that there are still people who believe that ignoring world news, that our problems are only ever going to be within our own boundaries of the UK, when they are all just as important and at times relevant and and connected, inextricably linked. How naive and ignorant (and in some circumstance, anti-semitic) is that!
This news will be sweet news to all Muslims, their appeasers and their apologists, well done EDL.
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Dec 23 2010, 10:31 PM
I didn't realise EDL had specifically made a point to deliberately whisk Israel info off to Off Topic (where many do never or rarely venture, I for one, because I just don't find the time to visit other sub-boards). Amazing that there is still so much anti-Israel residing within the EDL members - unbelievable.

I do find it disconcerting knowing that there are still people who believe that ignoring world news, that our problems are only ever going to be within our own boundaries of the UK, when they are all just as important and at times relevant and and connected, inextricably linked. How naive and ignorant (and in some circumstance, anti-semitic) is that!
This news will be sweet news to all Muslims, their appeasers and their apologists, well done EDL.
I find it disconcerting that people are trying to force Israel down people's throats all the time. How is not supporting Israel 'anti-semitic'? The Palestinians are semites. An issue in Israel between Palestinians and Israelis, or even the US relationship with Israel are not inextraicably linked to the EDL.
As far as I am aware EDL Chat is for EDL related matters. Unless the post has something to do with the English Defence League and directly associated issues they become 'Off Topic'. If anyone has a problem with that they can complain to admin or other moderators.
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But Villa, you have always been very biased towards Israel, so I see your viewpoint as being just the same.
No one is trying to force anything down anyone's throats and you know it Villa - that is an excuse and you know it. Jeesh, the push for the wanton annihiliation of Israel is in the news daily, it is part of what is happening in the World on a daily basis - and yes, it does affect us, because the UK is part of what the marxist anti-semtic government and leftists are working towards on behalf of Islam and its appeasers/apologists. To rid the world of all Jews and Israel is the gateway. We have Jews living in this country, do they not have a say, do they not have a right to join the EDL too without this prejudice hanging over them? It just smacks of utter hypocrisy when EDL say they support Israel, yet any Israel stuff is being hidden away in the Off Topic section on the say so of a few who have a problem with Israel/Jews?

It is a constant struggle defending the bullying of one very small country, fighting desperately for its survival, I am just sick of it, and all because people are either ignorant or just have instilled in them their own age old gripes and conspiracies.
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Dec 23 2010, 11:17 PM
But Villa, you have always been very biased towards Israel, so I see your viewpoint as being just the same.
No one is trying to force anything down anyone's throats and you know it Villa - that is an excuse and you know it. Jeesh, the push for the wanton annihiliation of Israel is in the news daily, it is part of what is happening in the World on a daily basis - and yes, it does affect us, because the UK is part of what the marxist anti-semtic government and leftists are working towards on behalf of Islam and its appeasers/apologists. To rid the world of all Jews and Israel is the gateway. We have Jews living in this country, do they not have a say, do they not have a right to join the EDL too without this prejudice hanging over them? It just smacks of utter hypocrisy when EDL say they support Israel, yet any Israel stuff is being hidden away in the Off Topic section?
You of course are not biased one way or the other.
Now back to reality. If you like I am 'biased' against Israel, in reality I simply refuse to support Israel, because the 'nation' was founded on terrorism, including the deaths, and cold blooded murder of British troops. In my view Israel/Palestine is a land issue, with religion now being used as a convinient side issue to garner support for Israel. I steer clear on most Israel topics as a result.
How is Obama and the US relationship with Israel EDL associated?
You swerved my comment on Palestinians being Semites, yet are still shouting about anti-Semitism, in the same way that racism is the first resort of anti-fascists losing an argument.
If it smacks of utter hypoicrisy then like I said, complain, if they agree with you then I have no problems standing down as a moderator, no problem at all, what I will not do is compromise my views because some people think if they shout hard enough they will get their own way. You really should choose your words more carefully, being hysterical ius no excuse
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Dec 23 2010, 08:07 PM
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So an area called Palestine was recognised internationally BEFORE the state of Israel.
And of course I'm not on about Jerusalem you fool, I am on about disputed territories where Israeli's insist on building on and in a lot of cases seize houses from Palestinians using the Israeli courts.



I won't rise to your insult but will concede that maybe I am a fool, because to dispute with someone who doesn't know precise meaning of basic English words (Nation, State, Land etc, or has only the most superficial idea of the history of the place, does indeed make me a fool

1. An area is not a Nation

2. The return of the European Jews in the 20th century merely showed the existing dhimmi jews of the middle east and Israel how to regain control of the government of their state. This culminated in the re-founding of the state of Israel.

3. A jewish population has never been absent from Israel. The influx of European Jews in the 20th century merely facilitated the wresting back of control from the corrupt conquerors. And what did these conquerors give the mankind? The word baksheesh? New methods of fighting like Taqiyya and Kitman

4. The disputed territories have only been occupied by arabs since 1929 when they murdered the jewish inhabitants of Hebron. Since then they have not even bothered to to change the name to an arabic one (Hebron is hebrew)

But do not take my word for any of the above, check out the Christians for Israel site below.
http://christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/septoct99/factmyth.html

The British Mandate of Palestine was recognised by the League of Nations in 1922. Britain recognised Palestine, I am British.
If you are going to be condescending and patronising to people in your posts (history lessons) make sure you can back it up, and you must expect some back. I am not disputing the fact there have always been Jews in the Holy Land so have no idea why you have brought that up.
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The same old regurgitated nonsense Villa (piano strings!). We've been here before, but as I said, it is pointless. You always ignore the facts when they are presented to you. I don't have time to play ping pong with you, so many have done it all before, well before I joined. Just going around in circles. You always use the threat of stepping down from moderation, but I can see why that works, I am no fool, so please don't treat me as such.
And, just because there are people with the facts or have a backbone to stand up to this bias, please can we refrain from accusing them of being any less Patriotic towards their own country the UK. People can be 110% patriotic to their own country, the UK, but that does not mean that their patriotism is in any way affected because they understand the Israel situation.
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You of course are not biased one way or the other.


I just don't hold onto twisted grudges and disinformation.
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Dec 23 2010, 11:42 PM
The same old regurgitated nonsense Villa (piano strings!). We've been here before, but as I said, it is pointless. You always ignore the facts when they are presented to you. I don't have time to play ping pong with you, so many have done it all before, well before I joined. Just going around in circles. You always use the threat of stepping down from moderation, but I can see why that works, I am no fool, so please don't treat me as such.
You obviously have an agenda which is more important than patriotism to this country and regard for the British victims of Israeli terrorism.
What facts?
When have I used a 'threat' to stand down from moderation before? I 'always' use it? That's absolute nonsense for a start, a lie in fact.
Also how do you know what went on on here before you joined?
You can't bully everyone on here by shouting at them
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Dec 23 2010, 11:42 PM
I just don't hold onto twisted grudges and disinformation.
You forgot the 'In my opinion' bit of that post, or do you really think everyone on here shares your views?
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How dare you suggest I am not 100% patriotic to my country, how dare you. Who the heck do you think you are?

You use this all of the time whenever anyone does not agree with you on Israel. They eventually get sent to coventry because of others persuasie twisted logic.

Could my defence of Israel not be because I seek out the truth, I have my own mind, I don't get lead by nose by anti-semitcs and marxists?

And how exactly do my concerns about Israel affect my deep concerns about my own country?
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