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American/canadian Defence Leagues; how can we help them
Topic Started: Dec 22 2010, 12:12 AM (135 Views)
infidel1000
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look at the size and population of the USA compared to our little old ENGLAND they should be able to create thousands of divisions especially if CANADA was to come on board as well, how can we help and encourage our friends in the USA and CANADA to join us in the war against islamic extremism?.
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1TrueEnglishMan
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Im pretty sure America already has a defence league. Don't know quite ow many are involved with it mind. I should imagine a decent way to increase numbers, would be for them to do what the EDL does. Grab articles from papers, television, newsblogs etc. on militant and jihadist behaviour, and use them to say to people, look! here's whats going on, these are the people who follow the ideology behind it, we must act, and act now. Once people wake up to the threat, I'm sure te D.L's over there will grow, and new ones will be formed. It will or should only be a matter of time before each country has a D.L up and running. demonstrations and so on to pressure the government into acting on the problem and threat islam poses.
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infidel1000
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its just that we seem to be getting a lot of AMERICANS coming on to the site asking us for help and advice,they do not seem to have the kind of leaders as we do yet.i expect much is going on that we are unaware of and the creation of the AMERICAN defence league is a great step forward,does anyone know if there is a CANADIAN defence league yet,or if anything is happening in SOUTH or CENTRAL AMERICA?.
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the Jay Man
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Well - representing no one but myself, and on my more schizoid days, myself also, I can offer a few thoughts.
The reason that we do not, afaIk, have chapters of national defense leagues is that our own government is, at this time, the primary force of oppression against the citizenry and there are more people mobilizing to stop the ever-expanding government's attacks on our Bill of Rights and Constitution. Examples, the government using its resources ( and OUR tax monies) to persecute. imprison or legally bankrupt citizens who practice free speech, freedom of assembly in protest, the right (not privilege, but right) to keep and bear arms, and so on. Further, the democrat party ( a leftist, socialist party here ) wants to grant citizenship to the thousands of Mexicans who illegally enter the country each year, in exchange for their votes. And I'm sure you've all heard about our Gestapo branches, the Homeland Security and the TSA, as well as other agencies, wanting more and more power without being accountable to anyone.

Because of all this, the battle against the muslim conquest has not been given as much exposure as it should. Of course, our mass media, TV and papers, support such groups as CAIR and others with al-Quaida connections, so they quash most stories which MIGHT mobilize the public. Like the muslim who owned a radio station here, who went about talking about how intolerant American were toward his religion, and who hacked off his wife's head with a kitchen knife after she dared disagree with him. Not much coverage on such things. So the agenda of the darkness is covered up by the media.
ALL THIS to say - for those of us who are in this unenviable situation here, it may be that the best way WE could help our brothers and sisters of the EDL would be to send financial support, via online services like PayPal or, better yet, G-Pal, a pro-gun, pro-Constitution service here.
And btw - to whom it may - whenever the CLOTHING site gets well again, have you considered having automobile stickers, window decals, etc. made up with a logo for the EDL? In the USA, these are very popular means of expression AND ways of raising awareness. Please consider this.

Sorry to drone on - will shut up now and let everyone get on with life.
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NY_Sean
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As an American, I don't see any "ADL" or "USDL" taking off any time soon, for a few reasons.

1. Muslims represent only 0.6% of the U.S. populations, vs ~5% in the UK. We just don't have the same problem.

2. For the next few years, the U.S. is going to be going through a great deal of domestic political and economic turmoil. Encroaching Sharia isn't going to be on anybody's radar.

3. We still have a fairly dynamic media environment, with talk radio and cable TV. They do a very good job of bringing any encroaching Sharia to light very quickly. Your media in the UK seems to be almost entirely prone to ignore the issue.

Basically, it's my opinion that here in the U.S. we keep a better eye on these things now since September 11th, so the sense of urgency isn't really here.
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the Jay Man
Dec 22 2010, 03:45 AM
ALL THIS to say - for those of us who are in this unenviable situation here, it may be that the best way WE could help our brothers and sisters of the EDL would be to send financial support, via online services like PayPal or, better yet, G-Pal, a pro-gun, pro-Constitution service here.
I like the car-sticker idea, but GPal doesn't sound too good...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/10/gpal-warning.html
NY_Sean
Dec 22 2010, 03:59 AM
1. Muslims represent only 0.6% of the U.S. populations, vs ~5% in the UK. We just don't have the same problem.
0.60% of the population, but 6.00% of the terrorist attacks. Here's a thread you might like on this subject (I think 'Masters' is from Canada)...
http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3255680/1/?x=35
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Mahihkan
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Statistics from Canada
Current Muslim Population of Canada[6]
Province Muslims

Ontario 352,530
Quebec 108,620
British Columbia 56,220
Alberta 49,040
Manitoba 5,095
Nova Scotia 3,545
Saskatchewan 2,230
New Brunswick 1,275
Newfoundland and Labrador 630
Prince Edward Island 195
Northwest Territories 180
Yukon 60
Nunavut 30
Canada 579,640

As the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees freedom of religious expression, Canadian Muslims face no official religious discrimination. Under Section 2(a) of the Charter, the wearing of the hijab is permitted in schools and places of work, although Quebec has ruled that the niqab or a burka are not welcome in Schools or Medical facilities with other provinces considering a similar ban[7]. Religious holidays and dietary restrictions are also respected, but outside major urban areas it may be difficult to find halal food. It is also often difficult to observe Islamic rules against usury. Muslims in some parts of Canada have asked to have family dispute courts to oversee small family cases, such as the ones available to Jews, but were faced with rigorous opposition from traditional groups, Pro-Israel lobbies and liberal Muslim groups, labelling the request as a move towards imposing a 'Sharia' Law. These proposal was opposed by the Muslim Canadian Congress, the Canadian Council of Muslim Women and non-Muslim women's groups.[8][9] In light of publicity, Muslims in Canada have elected to put the subject to rest.
It is Britian and Europe that need the help right now! It concerns me that you have lost Freedom of Speech and that speaking out against Islam and trying to educate people is considered a hate crime.

We know that what effects you will eventually affect us here.
Edited by Mahihkan, Dec 22 2010, 05:15 AM.
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NY_Sean
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Dec 22 2010, 04:06 AM
the Jay Man
Dec 22 2010, 03:45 AM
ALL THIS to say - for those of us who are in this unenviable situation here, it may be that the best way WE could help our brothers and sisters of the EDL would be to send financial support, via online services like PayPal or, better yet, G-Pal, a pro-gun, pro-Constitution service here.
I like the car-sticker idea, but GPal doesn't sound too good...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/10/gpal-warning.html
NY_Sean
Dec 22 2010, 03:59 AM
1. Muslims represent only 0.6% of the U.S. populations, vs ~5% in the UK. We just don't have the same problem.
0.60% of the population, but 6.00% of the terrorist attacks. Here's a thread you might like on this subject (I think 'Masters' is from Canada)...
http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/3255680/1/?x=35
No one's discounting the threat that radical Islam poses (and the fudged 6% dramatically understates the nature of the Islamist threat, equating it with Puerto Rican independence movement nonsense and property damage caused by eco-terrorists). However, the worst of the attacks against the US have been perpetrated by foreigners, not American Muslims.

I'm aware of the potentially dangerous influence of Wahhabist teachings, the dangers of Sharia trying to creep into US law, etc., but here in the US our Muslims are actually good about turning in potential terrorists. A lot of our recent successes have been the result of family members/ friends/ co-religionists notifying the FBI of potentially dangerous radicals. It hasn't been the result of our spying and snooping. Radical imams that are prevalent in your mosques tend to be drummed out of most U.S. mosques.

Our success has been the result of Muslims actually being integrated into most aspects of American life. There are agents of the Wahhabists and extremists in CAIR and a few other organizations trying to stir up trouble, but aside from the "Nation of Islam" type black-nationalist Muslims we have here (i.e., racist prison converts), Muslims here aren't a huge problem. Starting up a "Defense League" to protect us from something that isn't actually a threat here would actually be counter-productive to the good relations we have in the U.S. that are paying concrete dividends in fighting terror here.
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NY_ Sean - spot on with your comments, the numbers are not here, either with numbers of muslims and mosques (1200 in all of the US) or with islamic encorachments on our freedoms. I also don't see the lack on intergration in my city and cultural separation we are seeing in Europe. This may be a matter of time and tied to lack of population, but I've had this dialogue before on this site, and remain in the middle on this one. I have some good workmates who are muslim, although they opening despise aspects of Sharia, so not sure where that puts them in the mix.

Being British, in the US, I have always followed the BBC as my quick news pointer, but since following the EDL and the various risks of extreme islam in the media, I have become extremely disillusioned with the bias of the British media, and not just with the BBC. The lack of basic reporting on the facts, however culturally negative towards a particular religion, is something I don't think would happen in the states and it sickens me to see it. I don't think the level of PC that is drowning the British public has estalished itself here. May just be a matter of time, but the candour and freshness of the varying views, talk radio especially, means that when extreme islam pops its head up, the media are all over it and its buried.

Whether you agree or not, there is no real drive or feeling that the US needs an 'EDL' focused on internal Islamic problems, the attacks on the US have mostly come from the outside, either in foreign lands or with foreign terrorists attacking the US. There are some home grown issues, but they tend to be poorly executed and not at the level of sophistication that UK operatives are managing at. Most tend to get trapped by FBI stings before they even get connected with the right people.

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All muslims out of the free world now!

Although, how free is the USA really?
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