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The "Guardian" Indiginous Brits do not exist!; EDL get mention! (so whats new?")
Topic Started: Dec 21 2010, 02:42 PM (769 Views)
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/20/indigenous-britons-far-righthe

Before you read this bollocks, here's the science bit! Of the 14 newspapers that have sold over 100,000

copies per day in 2010, the "Guardian," (There's an oxymoron if ever there was one), comes TENTH down

the list with an average of 302,285 copies per day. Compare that with the SUN and the MAIL, who sold

3,006,565 AND 2,120,347; per day respectively. Is it any wonder this leftist shyte sells so few rags????

Remember CHEDDAR MAN? The stone age bones found in a cave? The DNA perfectly matched those of some

of the local people whose ancestors whent back EONS! :D
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sh1t paper for disillusioned people

fcuking not wasting my time reading that garbage ...
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They´ll soon be telling us that the original Brits. ACTUALLY came from the middle east and Asia, and now they are claiming back what is rightfully theirs.

Where´s the lifeboats?
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What can you expect from such a sh1t newspaper?
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I was watching a documentary series with Michael Palin the other day where he went to Tibet. I like Michael Palin and the documentary was good but he kept saying with a sad voice about how awful it was that Chinese immigrants were destroying the Tibetan culture and way of life.

I couodn't help thinking "oh so this type of thing is bad when it happens to other people but presumably it's ok when it happens to us."

All a bit hypocritical really.
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Using that logic there would be no indigenous North Americans either!
AUT PAX AUT BELLUM
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using the pc logic there are NO indigenous people.
we all originate from africa.
Edited by patriotic, Dec 21 2010, 05:57 PM.
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Guess what, they've taken the page down
Edited by lancastrian, Dec 21 2010, 06:26 PM.
Outlaw sharia law
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We are a mongrel nation. We've been on a long and complex trade route for thousands of years. People of colours and creeds have their genes tuck away inside of us.

We are an open minded nation and we need to keep it that way. fcuk narrow minded Islam.
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I battled with one of their freelance writers online once (Julie Bindel), over an absolutely hateful article contained in a Sunday supplement. I've refused to read anything the grauniad has had to spout since.
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Many nations are mongrel how far back do we have to go.
Mahihkan
Dec 21 2010, 05:51 PM
Using that logic there would be no indigenous North Americans either!
We don't all orginate from Africa another lie.
They have found Chinese bodies older thanthe african ones.
lancastrian
Dec 21 2010, 06:25 PM
Guess what, they've taken the page down
Thought so must have enraged some people.
Edited by Wigone, Dec 21 2010, 07:00 PM.
They don't like it up 'em.
Don't tell them your name Pike.
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Dec 21 2010, 06:49 PM
We don't all orginate from Africa another lie.
They have found Chinese bodies older thanthe african ones.
Yeah, but those Chinese bones are of Homo Erectus. We're Homo Sapiens Sapiens, we evolved in Africa from the African branch of Homo Erectus.
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yes, there's little doubt that homo sapiens sapiens originated in Africa and spread across the globe. Other parts of the world had their own hominid species, but they all died out while homo sapiens sapiens went from strength to strength.
The DNA backs the African exodus theory.
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Dec 21 2010, 06:25 PM
Guess what, they've taken the page down
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/20/indigenous-britons-far-right

Tha page is still there, the link was wrong
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BobFront
Dec 21 2010, 06:31 PM
We are a mongrel nation. We've been on a long and complex trade route for thousands of years. People of colours and creeds have their genes tuck away inside of us.

We are an open minded nation and we need to keep it that way. fcuk narrow minded Islam.
I am glad Im not part of a mongrel nation,What nation do you come from Bob
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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Dec 21 2010, 08:10 PM
BobFront
Dec 21 2010, 06:31 PM
We are a mongrel nation. We've been on a long and complex trade route for thousands of years. People of colours and creeds have their genes tuck away inside of us.

We are an open minded nation and we need to keep it that way. fcuk narrow minded Islam.
I am glad Im not part of a mongrel nation,What nation do you come from Bob
England, and proud.

Read yer history.
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For those who think Israel doesn't matter to the EDL, the Guardian is using exactly the same tricks on you as they did to the Jewish people to make it appear that Jews are not connected to Israel. good luck fighting it. If we in israel go down, they'll surely get you next.
Brian of London has been actively occupying a very small slice of hideously over-occupied Tel Aviv since early 2009.


Islam is a giant bungee cord tying it's adherents to the 7th century.
They can pull themselves almost to the twenty first century but eventually the cord tightens and flings them back.
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BobFront
Dec 21 2010, 08:17 PM
HUSCARL
Dec 21 2010, 08:10 PM
BobFront
Dec 21 2010, 06:31 PM
We are a mongrel nation. We've been on a long and complex trade route for thousands of years. People of colours and creeds have their genes tuck away inside of us.

We are an open minded nation and we need to keep it that way. fcuk narrow minded Islam.
I am glad Im not part of a mongrel nation,What nation do you come from Bob
England, and proud.

Read yer history.
Please give me a brief summary of your belief,I bet it doesnt match the truth
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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Firstly the Romans. They were not exclusively from Rome there were people from all over the Roman empire as part of the Roman occupation.

Parts of Wales are still genetically British (as in of the island Brtiain.)

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Dec 21 2010, 06:25 PM
Guess what, they've taken the page down
I'm still not clicking on it! :D
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Dec 21 2010, 07:22 PM
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Dec 21 2010, 06:25 PM
Guess what, they've taken the page down
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/dec/20/indigenous-britons-far-right

Tha page is still there, the link was wrong
I don't give a fcuk! :D
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

The Welsh are likely to be genetically 'British'.

The English aren't
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Dec 21 2010, 08:29 PM
Firstly the Romans. They were not exclusively from Rome there were people from all over the Roman empire as part of the Roman occupation.

Parts of Wales are still genetically British (as in of the island Brtiain.)

Just a quick point What language do we speak?
BobFront
Dec 21 2010, 08:32 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

The Welsh are likely to be genetically 'British'.

The English aren't
Think you are nearly there,youve almost answered it.
Edited by HUSCARL, Dec 21 2010, 08:38 PM.
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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Firstly the Romans. They were not exclusively from Rome there were people from all over the Roman empire as part of the Roman occupation.

Parts of Wales are still genetically British (as in of the island Brtiain.)

Just a quick point What language do we speak?
We don't speak, in England, the Celtic language that was originally spoken. The real British language.

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Dec 21 2010, 08:32 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

The Welsh are likely to be genetically 'British'.

The English aren't
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As a child, I sometimes wondered why people told jokes about Englishmen, Irishmen, Welshmen and Scotsmen. Why should our origins and differences matter? Part of growing up was realizing that they do matter and trying to understand why.

"This book challenges some of our longest held assumptions about the differences between Anglo-Saxons and Celts – perceived differences that have informed our collective sense of identity.Orthodox history has long taught that the Romans found a uniformly Celtic population throughout the British Isles, but that the peoples of the English heartland fell victim to genocide by the Anglo-Saxon hordes during the fifth and sixth centuries.

Now Stephen Oppenheimer’s groundbreaking genetic research has revealed that the ‘Anglo-Saxon invasion’ contributed only a tiny fraction to the English gene pool. In fact, three quarters of English people can trace an unbroken line of genetic descent through their parental genes from settlers arriving long before the introduction of farming.

Synthesizing the genetic evidence with linguistics, archaeology and the historical record, Oppenheimer shows how long-term Scandinavian trade and immigration contributed the remaining quarter – mostly before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons. These migrations may have introduced the earliest forms of English.

And what of the Celts we know – the Irish, Scots and Welsh? Scholars have traditionally placed their origins in Iron Age Central Europe, but Oppenheimer’s new data clearly show that the Welsh, Irish and other Atlanticfringe peoples derive from Ice Age refuges in the Basque country and Spain.They came by an Atlantic coastal route many thousands of years ago, though the Celtic languages we know of today were brought in by later migrations, following the same route, during Neolithic times.

Stephen Oppenheimer shows us, in his meticulous analysis, that there is in truth a deep genetic line dividing the English from the rest of the British people but that, fascinatingly, the roots of that separate identity go back not 1500 years but 6,000.The real story of the British peoples is one of extraordinary continuity and enduring lineage that has survived all onslaughts.


http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/stephenoppenheimer/origins_of_the_british.html




By the way, would you described an half caste person as a 'mongrel'?
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Dec 21 2010, 09:08 PM
BobFront
Dec 21 2010, 08:32 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

The Welsh are likely to be genetically 'British'.

The English aren't
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As a child, I sometimes wondered why people told jokes about Englishmen, Irishmen, Welshmen and Scotsmen. Why should our origins and differences matter? Part of growing up was realizing that they do matter and trying to understand why.

"This book challenges some of our longest held assumptions about the differences between Anglo-Saxons and Celts – perceived differences that have informed our collective sense of identity.Orthodox history has long taught that the Romans found a uniformly Celtic population throughout the British Isles, but that the peoples of the English heartland fell victim to genocide by the Anglo-Saxon hordes during the fifth and sixth centuries.

Now Stephen Oppenheimer’s groundbreaking genetic research has revealed that the ‘Anglo-Saxon invasion’ contributed only a tiny fraction to the English gene pool. In fact, three quarters of English people can trace an unbroken line of genetic descent through their parental genes from settlers arriving long before the introduction of farming.

Synthesizing the genetic evidence with linguistics, archaeology and the historical record, Oppenheimer shows how long-term Scandinavian trade and immigration contributed the remaining quarter – mostly before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons. These migrations may have introduced the earliest forms of English.

And what of the Celts we know – the Irish, Scots and Welsh? Scholars have traditionally placed their origins in Iron Age Central Europe, but Oppenheimer’s new data clearly show that the Welsh, Irish and other Atlanticfringe peoples derive from Ice Age refuges in the Basque country and Spain.They came by an Atlantic coastal route many thousands of years ago, though the Celtic languages we know of today were brought in by later migrations, following the same route, during Neolithic times.

Stephen Oppenheimer shows us, in his meticulous analysis, that there is in truth a deep genetic line dividing the English from the rest of the British people but that, fascinatingly, the roots of that separate identity go back not 1500 years but 6,000.The real story of the British peoples is one of extraordinary continuity and enduring lineage that has survived all onslaughts.


http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/stephenoppenheimer/origins_of_the_british.html




By the way, would you described an half caste person as a 'mongrel'?
as above, the english are an ethic group unto thermselves just as much as any ethnic group can claim that fact.
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BTW, would you describe a "half-caste" person as English. I would.
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Dec 21 2010, 09:48 PM
BTW, would you describe a "half-caste" person as English. I would.
AS I have said before people are at liberty to call themselves whatever they want,that doesnt bother me,the test is being accepted by other people in that group.
This is the lesson;never give in never give in ,never,never,never,never- in nothing,great or small, large or petty-never give in,except to convictions of honour and good sense,never yield to force,never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
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A ''half caste'' could be recognised as culturally English but they couldn't be recognised as ethnically english. Just as a boer south african can be recognised as a south african but could not be recognised as ethnically south african, ie Zulu.
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A ''half caste'' could be recognised as culturally English but they couldn't be recognised as ethnically english. Just as a boer south african can be recognised as a south african but could not be recognised as ethnically south african, ie Zulu.
I agree.
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A ''half caste'' could be recognised as culturally English but they couldn't be recognised as ethnically english. Just as a boer south african can be recognised as a south african but could not be recognised as ethnically south african, ie Zulu.
How about someone who's a quarter black? An 8th? At what point would they become ethnically English?
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Dec 21 2010, 05:56 PM
using the pc logic there are NO indigenous people.
we all originate from africa.
I don`t.

Since when has Runcorn been in Africa? ;)
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A ''half caste'' could be recognised as culturally English but they couldn't be recognised as ethnically english. Just as a boer south african can be recognised as a south african but could not be recognised as ethnically south african, ie Zulu.
How about someone who's a quarter black? An 8th? At what point would they become ethnically English?
Interesting question. I believe sombody who is half or more ethnically English is an ethnic English.
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A ''half caste'' could be recognised as culturally English but they couldn't be recognised as ethnically english. Just as a boer south african can be recognised as a south african but could not be recognised as ethnically south african, ie Zulu.
How about someone who's a quarter black? An 8th? At what point would they become ethnically English?
Good question.
In these cases, strictly speaking, nobody with any ''foreign'' blood introduced before 6000 years could be recognised as ethnic english. There are a great many ''pure'' DNA populations that have not changed in 6000 years. The more these populations breed with ''outsiders'' the more diluted the ethnic gene pool will be and the more of a minority the englich ethic will become.
I have Italian blod in my lineage, going back to great grandmother. I cannot be considered an ethnic englishman by genetic standards.
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Good question.
In these cases, strictly speaking, nobody with any ''foreign'' blood introduced before 6000 years could be recognised as ethnic english. There are a great many ''pure'' DNA populations that have not changed in 6000 years. The more these populations breed with ''outsiders'' the more diluted the ethnic gene pool will be and the more of a minority the englich ethic will become.
I have Italian blod in my lineage, going back to great grandmother. I cannot be considered an ethnic englishman by genetic standards.
By those standards I don't reckon there is a person alive who is ethnically English.
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au contraire, NANL, there are many undiluted populations in England. EWven when the Vikings and Romans invaded our fair shores, the locals didn't always interbreed with them. New genetic evidence suggests there are many populations alive and well with undiluted Iron Age blood.
I'll try and find the links
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@ Huscarl.

Well, as a white Englishman I certainly welcome them as passing the test.

BTW ethnicity relates to - the state of belonging to a particular racial or cultural group.

Those who seek to define "ethnicity" exclusively in terms of racial characteristics do so only by conveniently overlooking that "ethnicity" applies just as much to group cultural characteristics as group racial characteristics.

It's a shame so much time is wasted on obsessing who ticks one box or other of being English when we have fine English Patriots such as Guramit Singh this very day being arrested for speaking out against militant Islam.




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I think you need to watch this.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8681633512797721477
They don't like it up 'em.
Don't tell them your name Pike.
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@ Huscarl.

Well, as a white Englishman I certainly welcome them as passing the test.

BTW ethnicity relates to - the state of belonging to a particular racial or cultural group.

Those who seek to define "ethnicity" exclusively in terms of racial characteristics do so only by conveniently overlooking that "ethnicity" applies just as much to group cultural characteristics as group racial characteristics.

It's a shame so much time is wasted on obsessing who ticks one box or other of being English when we have fine English Patriots such as Guramit Singh this very day being arrested for speaking out against militant Islam.




^^^ That. I'm sick of this sh1t, it's a side-show and if it needs to be discussed at all, should be in off-topic.
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@ Huscarl.

Well, as a white Englishman I certainly welcome them as passing the test.

BTW ethnicity relates to - the state of belonging to a particular racial or cultural group.

Those who seek to define "ethnicity" exclusively in terms of racial characteristics do so only by conveniently overlooking that "ethnicity" applies just as much to group cultural characteristics as group racial characteristics.

It's a shame so much time is wasted on obsessing who ticks one box or other of being English when we have fine English Patriots such as Guramit Singh this very day being arrested for speaking out against militant Islam.




well said
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so how far back do we go ....as humans . this has always been a stoopid game. i could say there are no indiginous arabs ,or turks .or persians or russians or americans .guess we all are just african so when do we start the AFRICA DEFENCE LEAGUE......WE SEEM TO HAVE THE RIGHT.
bottom line im english i love my way of life even with its bad points ..but there mine to change the british way not by the islamic way . mind u arnt they our african brothers to ?
This land is mine and as such respect me and my ways for my tolerance only goes so far

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Okay, we can define ourselves by man made definitions of what is pure. As others have said, myself included, we are ALL african by origin. But that isn't good enopugh these days, the white english, the Italians, the Romanies, the Arabs, the Indians, the australian aborigines are quite obviously no longer negroid in look or genetics make up. They now make up their own ethicity/racial group. Just l;ike a Jack Russell Terrier makes up a different group to a Boxer. They are both canis familiaris, but they are now distinctly recognisable by their own characteristics.
There is nothing racist by accepting this fact. None of the groups of homo sapiens sapiens are any better or worse than any other, but we are different.
In a thousand years, assuming the global village keeps on the path people are pushing it, there will be one type of person. A coffee coloured ''mongrel'' that is a result of interbreeding between types.

Unfortunately, thanks to Hitler, any talk of racial differences (no matter how soundly grounded in science and genetics) is always seen as racist. It's not racist, it's fact, we are all different but we are still all homo sapiens sapiens.
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Im sure the indigenous aboriginals would love to hear some of the views from that newspaper.

After all they didn't arrive in Australia till just 60,000 years ago from Indonesia.....
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http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/2475896/1/?x=35
Our problem isn't "who is" and "who isn't" English. Our problem is "Islamic fundamentalism".
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http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/2475896/1/?x=35
Our problem isn't "who is" and "who isn't" English. Our problem is "Islamic fundamentalism".
Any kind of fundamentalism really...witness the refusal to let Koran burning Terry Jones tag along.

I doubt there are many people reading this thread who don't feel a certain amount of pride that for instance British music includes amongst other things elements of Jamaican reggae and American Rock and Roll.

However, there shouldn't be anything wrong with standing up for yourself. It's a force of nature. If someone takes the piss out of you then you get mad but if someone treats you with respect you become friends.

It doesn't even need to come down to justification along the lines of defining who is really the best English person. You fit in or you are going to make life difficult for yourself.
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Im sure the indigenous aboriginals would love to hear some of the views from that newspaper.

After all they didn't arrive in Australia till just 60,000 years ago from Indonesia.....
On Easyjet?
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Im sure the indigenous aboriginals would love to hear some of the views from that newspaper.

After all they didn't arrive in Australia till just 60,000 years ago from Indonesia.....
On Easyjet?
Boats funny enough...
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I don't care about colour, I do care about nationality.
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So you lads will be at luton with your

'England is a mongrel nation' banner then.

Be interesting.
No Surrender.
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Dec 22 2010, 09:52 AM
So you lads will be at luton with your

'England is a mongrel nation' banner then.

Be interesting.
i take it you will be depriving us of your stalwart support?...
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