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What can the government do to stop radical Islam
Topic Started: Dec 20 2010, 03:19 PM (267 Views)
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What could the government, do to stop radical Islam?

In my opinion the government should stop Islamic immigration completely and make new laws that mean all Mosques are regulated regulary. Foreign criminals should also be deported. Islamic schools should also be investigated.

And I think if a local community is against the building of a religious building next to them (Mosques) then by law they should have the power to stop it being built.

Also, I think all MPs should be educated about the truth of Islam, that way they would realise what Britain is dealing with.

What do you think?
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no school should be religious . all schools here should only deal with education . if you want religious teaching then church, synagogue and mosque after school hours .
This land is mine and as such respect me and my ways for my tolerance only goes so far

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REMOVE ISLAM FROM THE UK AND EUROPE.
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do you think they want to?,after all it is they who have forced them upon us,do you know of many cases where they have taken our side against the extremist,they arrest brits for little or nothing but allow the muslim fanatics to get away with acts that we would be jailed for,so do you think they want do anything.
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Just to clarify, I mean what should the government do?
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probably everything you have suggested and a lot more is what they should do but they wont because they are a bunch of anti-british racist traitors
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This is the main question the EDL has to ask it self, after all its why there protesting isn't it?

I feel once some one found with concrete evidence should be put in prison.period. Human rights which give rights to terrorist who are (with strong evidence found) plotting to kill innocent British citezins should be prisoned.

Ban all Saudi investments for mosques. Ban Sharia law.

***Most of all if you break a law in Britain, you are accountable to British Justice and not to EU human rights bill.
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Make following Islam illegal

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dozyuk
Dec 20 2010, 03:54 PM
Make following Islam illegal
There would be riots though. And suicide bombings.
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Dec 20 2010, 03:56 PM
dozyuk
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Make following Islam illegal
There would be riots though. And suicide bombings.
Agreed, but I think that will happen anyway, however the Police, Armed forces and public would be empowered to act, and fight back.

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Dec 20 2010, 04:00 PM
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Make following Islam illegal
There would be riots though. And suicide bombings.
Agreed, but I think that will happen anyway, however the Police, Armed forces and public would be empowered to act, and fight back.
Yep.
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Dec 20 2010, 03:56 PM
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Dec 20 2010, 03:54 PM
Make following Islam illegal
There would be riots though. And suicide bombings.
That is the threat that paralyses any authority that wants to act. We still need to act against militant Islam and the two suggestions of banning Sharia law and closing any existing courts plus stopping teaching of the Saudi National Curriculum are vital steps. Those are acts that start to define the boundaries of Islam in the UK. Any adherent of Islam then has to make a personal choice about accepting the laws and customs of the land, as I recall someone saying they should, or violently opposing those boundaries. It is their choice which path they follow not ours but it is our right to set those boundaries, both in terms of our traditions, Magna Carta etc and indeed existing laws relating to homophobia, inciting racial hatred etc. Those that are already there just need to be applied fairly and impartially which at present doesn't happen, partially out of fear of the threat of the reaction.
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Outlaw sharia law
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williamdegriffin
Dec 20 2010, 03:38 PM
no school should be religious . all schools here should only deal with education . if you want religious teaching then church, synagogue and mosque after school hours .
Fiath based schools are not the problem in mainstream education it is the madras that are set up .

With regard to what govt can or have the will to do is now a priority.
They need to tighten up loop holes in the statute that allows the radical to exist.
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The government will do whatever it considers is in ITS best interests, it has nothing to do with what its electorate wants. Britain's become zombified into submission by crass-consumerism, political-correctness and the dreaded concept of multi-culturalism. I wonder who voted them in there though? Not voting is the worst form of protest and had more people gotten-off their sorry-arses and made their mark, this sad state-of-affairs may've taken a step in the right direction. Probably too-glued-to Jeremy Kyle, X-factor and all the rest of the distractive nonsense thrown our way. In a way, this country got the government it deserved through the 'protest non-voters'.
williamdegriffin
Dec 20 2010, 03:38 PM
no school should be religious . all schools here should only deal with education . if you want religious teaching then church, synagogue and mosque after school hours .
This makes total sense. Faith schools are a menace. France has it right. Religion begins at home and that's where it should stay- the responsibility of the parents.
Edited by jeceris, Dec 20 2010, 04:56 PM.
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Dec 20 2010, 03:19 PM
What could the government, do to stop radical Islam?

In my opinion the government should stop Islamic immigration completely and make new laws that mean all Mosques are regulated regulary. Foreign criminals should also be deported. Islamic schools should also be investigated.

And I think if a local community is against the building of a religious building next to them (Mosques) then by law they should have the power to stop it being built.

Also, I think all MPs should be educated about the truth of Islam, that way they would realise what Britain is dealing with.

What do you think?
Agreed.
Although banning muslims from the country woudlnt work at all.

Ensuring any iman or religous leader who comes to the u.k can speak english and does so in mosques that have been checked over by government and given the all clear that not radicalisation is being represented there.
I dont agree with faith schools,if other muslims can go to a normal school and be educated why cant others?
Its just a way to keep peolpe seperate and if muslims wanted that then why stay in the u.k anyway?
your not going to get a full muslim work force so why have a full muslim school?
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Dec 20 2010, 05:47 PM
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Dec 20 2010, 03:19 PM
What could the government, do to stop radical Islam?

In my opinion the government should stop Islamic immigration completely and make new laws that mean all Mosques are regulated regulary. Foreign criminals should also be deported. Islamic schools should also be investigated.

And I think if a local community is against the building of a religious building next to them (Mosques) then by law they should have the power to stop it being built.

Also, I think all MPs should be educated about the truth of Islam, that way they would realise what Britain is dealing with.

What do you think?
Agreed.
Although banning muslims from the country woudlnt work at all.
I understand that the government won't do that but they should.
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No in Afgan there tagertting terrorist threats not muslims.
Banning or shooting muslims is racists whatever way you look at it.
And arent we against Islamic exreamist not muslims?
I will protect the human,the non extreamist human

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Dec 20 2010, 06:29 PM
And arent we against Islamic exreamist not muslims?
The aims of the EDL are to oppose Islamification, not all Muslims.
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well, how do they stop it in Israel ??
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lets cut the bullsh1t
all terrorists will claim to be innocent worshipers
when a few liverpool thugs rioted in europe , they all were banned
I never seen the imam grass the luton / stockholm bomber up . they have nothing to lose by standing by the bad uns , and everything to gain

time to assess EXACTLY what this country gains / loses by embracing this one "religion"

and lets not be silly and think that this isnt gonna end in one almighty big tear up . my advice is , if you wanna stop the extremists then you gotta go to war , and sooner rather than later cuz them bastards aint half multiplying
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Dec 20 2010, 07:05 PM
lets cut the bullsh1t
all terrorists will claim to be innocent worshipers
when a few liverpool thugs rioted in europe , they all were banned
I never seen the imam grass the luton / stockholm bomber up . they have nothing to lose by standing by the bad uns , and everything to gain

time to assess EXACTLY what this country gains / loses by embracing this one "religion"

and lets not be silly and think that this isnt gonna end in one almighty big tear up . my advice is , if you wanna stop the extremists then you gotta go to war , and sooner rather than later cuz them bastards aint half multiplying
i believe you are 100% correct,we can appease them from ar==hole to breakfast and they will still come back for more,this is the problem we have,forget asking what the politicians can do they are the ones who have betrayed us,we have to somehow kick the british male into realising(really seeing)whats being done to him and his childrens future but its a hard hard job,the increasing interest in and the growing number of members of the EDL are encouraging and the meeting in europe in which 32 european organisations have created a "european resistance movement" to combat the islamisation of europe is another step forward but its kicking "tommy atkins" into action that is what is really needed.but how do we do that?.
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Dec 20 2010, 06:31 PM
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And arent we against Islamic exreamist not muslims?
The aims of the EDL are to oppose Islamification, not all Muslims.
Thats what I wantes to check becasue there seems to be people here who attack muslims in general not Islamification.

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Dec 20 2010, 07:37 PM
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And arent we against Islamic exreamist not muslims?
The aims of the EDL are to oppose Islamification, not all Muslims.
Thats what I wantes to check becasue there seems to be people here who attack muslims in general not Islamification.

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Yes, there are.
We call them 'trolls'.
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W-A-T-B - I think the question is a good one but before any of those policies happen the Government needs to get a huge dose of reality.

Our Government is still far away from the kinds if policies you propose. The first step is for the UK and other western Governments to get out of denial that mainstream Islam is not radical. We are in a time where mainstream political opinion tells us that the problems are from a few Islamic fanatics who are misinterpreting one of the world's great faiths. And when Obama stands up and says this, everybody listens. The x-factor generation are probably content to swallow this, because they can stay in their comfort zone.

Clearly, the Government recognises Terrorism as one of its "Tier 1" threats to the UK, but it is still welded to the idea that Islam generally is a religeon of peace. It still sees the majority of Muslims as good, peace loving folk making the fabric of society much richer, and the problem only caused by a few ideological zealots. Thus, if they can focus the armed forces & security services on these few bad eggs, then we can all live in perfect harmony. Wouldn't that be just nice.

Putting aside the question of who the EDL targets (be it a few extremists or many)...I am expressing no opinion...

In my view, there needs to be a long hard look and open, national debate about the real teachings of Islam. This would be the ideal route for a mature democracy like ours. All other measures taken to curb radicalisation will then fall out of this debate and be morally justified e.g. stopping immigration from Islamic countries, clamping down on mosques and hate preachers etc.

The less ideal route, but one which I think is more likely, is that the western society will fumble along as is, until something really bad happens e.g. a dirty bomb in London, Paris etc. Then the sh1t will happen quickly.

Since the question is what can the Government do, I would say there should be a proper Parliamentary debate about the nastier teachings of Islam (discrimination to gays, women, other religeons, apostates, brutal punishments etc) and its incompatibility to liberal western values. In this debate, they have to take in to account the real worries of many people regarding creeping Islamisation (Halal, no-go zones, race hate crime etc).

Do we really have politicans with the guts to tackle this topic? Right now, no. We can only hope that cometh the hour, cometh the man.
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Dec 20 2010, 07:05 PM
lets cut the bullsh1t
all terrorists will claim to be innocent worshipers
when a few liverpool thugs rioted in europe , they all were banned
I never seen the imam grass the luton / stockholm bomber up . they have nothing to lose by standing by the bad uns , and everything to gain

time to assess EXACTLY what this country gains / loses by embracing this one "religion"

and lets not be silly and think that this isnt gonna end in one almighty big tear up . my advice is , if you wanna stop the extremists then you gotta go to war , and sooner rather than later cuz them bastards aint half multiplying
What you said

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W-A-T-B - I think the question is a good one but before any of those policies happen the Government needs to get a huge dose of reality.

Our Government is still far away from the kinds if policies you propose. The first step is for the UK and other western Governments to get out of denial that mainstream Islam is not radical. We are in a time where mainstream political opinion tells us that the problems are from a few Islamic fanatics who are misinterpreting one of the world's great faiths. And when Obama stands up and says this, everybody listens. The x-factor generation are probably content to swallow this, because they can stay in their comfort zone.

Clearly, the Government recognises Terrorism as one of its "Tier 1" threats to the UK, but it is still welded to the idea that Islam generally is a religeon of peace. It still sees the majority of Muslims as good, peace loving folk making the fabric of society much richer, and the problem only caused by a few ideological zealots. Thus, if they can focus the armed forces & security services on these few bad eggs, then we can all live in perfect harmony. Wouldn't that be just nice.

Putting aside the question of who the EDL targets (be it a few extremists or many)...I am expressing no opinion...

In my view, there needs to be a long hard look and open, national debate about the real teachings of Islam. This would be the ideal route for a mature democracy like ours. All other measures taken to curb radicalisation will then fall out of this debate and be morally justified e.g. stopping immigration from Islamic countries, clamping down on mosques and hate preachers etc.

The less ideal route, but one which I think is more likely, is that the western society will fumble along as is, until something really bad happens e.g. a dirty bomb in London, Paris etc. Then the sh1t will happen quickly.

Since the question is what can the Government do, I would say there should be a proper Parliamentary debate about the nastier teachings of Islam (discrimination to gays, women, other religeons, apostates, brutal punishments etc) and its incompatibility to liberal western values. In this debate, they have to take in to account the real worries of many people regarding creeping Islamisation (Halal, no-go zones, race hate crime etc).

Do we really have politicans with the guts to tackle this topic? Right now, no. We can only hope that cometh the hour, cometh the man.
I agree with what you say. Thanks for your answer.
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arent they doing enough already ?

lots of muslims are being detained for 42 days without charge or any warrant for arrest

lots of innocent muslims are having their houses raided and computers seized with no charge at the end of it.


Those policies, now in place, sound damm right totalitarian to me, and its good.
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Agreed, but I think that will happen anyway, however the Police, Armed forces and public would be empowered to act, and fight back.
Yep.
I agree, it has come to this.

The reaction to radical Islam needs to be radical. Muslim programming does not allow change.

Islam does exactly what it says on the can.
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And arent we against Islamic exreamist not muslims?
The aims of the EDL are to oppose Islamification, not all Muslims.
Exactly, i went to a Church of England school in the 1970s and it never preached Hate. ^o)
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arent they doing enough already ?

lots of muslims are being detained for 42 days without charge or any warrant for arrest

lots of innocent muslims are having their houses raided and computers seized with no charge at the end of it.


Those policies, now in place, sound damm right totalitarian to me, and its good.
But don't you think that Mosques should be regulated on a regular basis? The Channel 4 documentary "Undercover Mosque" showed that many Mosques in Britain are preaching hatred, and that means that Mosques can't be trusted to stay away from radical Islam.
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Dec 20 2010, 08:25 PM
GAZZADS
Dec 20 2010, 07:05 PM
lets cut the bullsh1t
all terrorists will claim to be innocent worshipers
when a few liverpool thugs rioted in europe , they all were banned
I never seen the imam grass the luton / stockholm bomber up . they have nothing to lose by standing by the bad uns , and everything to gain

time to assess EXACTLY what this country gains / loses by embracing this one "religion"

and lets not be silly and think that this isnt gonna end in one almighty big tear up . my advice is , if you wanna stop the extremists then you gotta go to war , and sooner rather than later cuz them bastards aint half multiplying
What you said
Same goes for me as well.

Seems like you've got the job, GAZZADS!
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Make following Islam illegal
There would be riots though. And suicide bombings.
Agreed, but I think that will happen anyway, however the Police, Armed forces and public would be empowered to act, and fight back.
It could also be said that by doing this sooner, rather than attempting to do it later will of course cause a lot of bloodshed, but would probably save a lot more innocent lives in the long run.
My own take on this is as follows, in the none too distant future the Muslims will overstep the mark with an atrocity somewhere in the West and the namby pamby governments will be forced to act as there will be too much of a backlash against Islam.
Omelletes and eggs, as they say.
Since I am unable to edit my posts, what I would also like to say, is that due to Islam seeing itself as a special stand alone emnity, where assimilation just does not figure on the agenda and the host system has allowed it to have it's own financial system, it's own legal system, thus letting the whole thing become an uncontrollable all consumming parasite we can only hope that Islam in the west destroys itself.
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