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| Religion: Isn't it all bollocks?; Islam is the worst but the rest aren't much better | |
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| BobFront | Dec 20 2010, 12:35 AM Post #1 |
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Islam, the craziest of all the worlds major religions, beats others at astonishing levels of cruelty. But fcuk me have you read Leviticus?! All religions are arbitrary methods of control a population. Islam is the very worst but there's many competing for it's top spot of evilness. Talking about paedo behavour we don't need to look further than our own Catholic Church. fcuking dirt bags. |
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| shnarkle | Dec 20 2010, 12:39 AM Post #2 |
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Religion is certainly bollocks. But very dangerous bollocks. When people get faith, reason goes out the window. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:40 AM Post #3 |
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Five posts in 14 months, Bob? What were you in prison for, if you don't mind me asking? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:40 AM Post #4 |
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Christianity doesn't condone this though. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:40 AM Post #5 |
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There's an old saying (Gibbon, Decline and Fall?) to the effect that To the gullible, all religions are equally true, to the philosophers, all religions are equally false, and to the politicians, all religions are equally useful. |
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| LittleSpy | Dec 20 2010, 12:43 AM Post #6 |
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because they take everything too literally, the bible has alot of metaphors in it..actually its basically just a bunch of stories with morals. (Thats my opinion anyway) I have never read the koran though i have read alot about bhuddism and taoism thats actually written in story like ways. anyway the whole point is, u need an imagination or some sort of way to turn these 'stories' in to reality. so yeah a bloke ACTUALLY turned some little fish in to sh1tloads and gave it to all his hungry mates, that means SHARE STUFF forgot to say i wanna have a religion like pocahantas....like chillin with nature Edited by LittleSpy, Dec 20 2010, 12:44 AM.
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They told me this is a free country but now it feels like a chicken factory I feel couped up i wanna bust free got nothing to lose if you get me LittleSpy | |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:47 AM Post #7 |
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All religions have good and bad. They make humble men make courageous acts but can also make fine men commit evil acts. All in the name of there god. My take on most religions is this; Most have evolved with time. Some faster than others. They have changed and evolved to reflect society, science and the will of the people that practice said religion. Many have had atrocities carried out in there names in the past. These must be studied so they are never repeated. However one religion refuses to change, it learns the atrocities of the past so it can carry out bigger and far more outrageous crimes. That religion is... ISLAM! Yes, bad stuff is in the Christian books. But that has been removed and is widely seen as wrong these days. The same cannot be said for Islam. |
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| roger_bates | Dec 20 2010, 12:47 AM Post #8 |
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Don't you need to go in the cage before you can post here? Edited by roger_bates, Dec 20 2010, 12:47 AM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:51 AM Post #9 |
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One religion is causing so much death destruction and it's Islam. Any violence done in the name of Christianity is not condoned by the religion, people need to remember that. |
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| Nell_Angel | Dec 20 2010, 12:51 AM Post #10 |
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Please please please don't confuse the Roman Catholic church with the term Christianity. It holds itself out as A Christian church but it is not THE Christian church. Think about it, it does not accept the gospel as the whole of the word on Christianity, I'm sure i've seen idols (statues) in those churches, it moved the sabbath to Sunday and it apparently covers up all sorts of evil practices as pointed out, rightly, here. I'm a Christian but I wouldn't worship in a Catholic church personally. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:53 AM Post #11 |
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The main belief of Christianity is that Jesus is the son of God, so therefore Catholicism is Christian. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:55 AM Post #12 |
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A wee bit strong I reckon mate, certainly at this time of year. I will say no more. |
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| Nell_Angel | Dec 20 2010, 12:56 AM Post #13 |
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I didn't say it wasn't Christian, but its a subset.. one religious denomination amongst many many others. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:26 AM Post #14 |
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In my opinion the faster the west turns away from Christianity ..the faster the west will fall and become islamified. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:40 AM Post #15 |
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Yes, it's certainly true that the Muslims seem to have far more enmity for Christianity than they do for secularism and Marxism, the enmity even extending to the residual 'cultural Christianity' in festivals such as Christmas, Easter and St George's Day. Although most of us in Europe are no longer practising Christians, the Muslims still see Christianity as a major threat. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:42 AM Post #16 |
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But the Catholic Chuch does all it can to cover it up and just sweeep it under the rug. I think the only reason there is child marriag in the qur'an was due to the traditions at the time around the middle east. Although alot keep the 'tradition' going, as it is nt abnormal for them |
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| Nell_Angel | Dec 20 2010, 01:45 AM Post #17 |
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Biggest problem with Christianity is its not often been tried, not really... not sinning not easy
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| Wigone | Dec 20 2010, 01:45 AM Post #18 |
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I am a Catholic but practise Christianity. In other words I follow the ten commanmends and try to be as forgiving as I can be. Jesus was showing us a way to live not a way to follow. Edited by Wigone, Dec 20 2010, 01:46 AM.
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| Quiet_Man | Dec 20 2010, 01:49 AM Post #19 |
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Probably because Christianity gets more converts, Islam might be the fastest growing religion (in their eyes, not mine) but it's because of their birth rates, not conversion rates. |
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| Gorgie | Dec 20 2010, 01:49 AM Post #20 |
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Don't be silly. Religion sin't bollocks. As said by TooFast, the fall of Christianity in the West has coincided with the rise of Islam. I'm a Christian and I believe Christianity has done a lot of good for the world. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:52 AM Post #21 |
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This lefty twat Bobfront comes slithering out of the gutter and immediately drives a wedge between our Northern Irish contingent. Ignore these trolls. Focus, guys. It's us against radical islam. Everything else is negotiable, after we've seen off the threat of Sharia. Before anybody asks, I was educated by the Irish Christian Brothers in this country and the Rosmini Fathers in NZ. I know about Catholic noncery. That isn't the issue, here. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:55 AM Post #22 |
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@Elgreco: we're on the same track again! |
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| Gorgie | Dec 20 2010, 01:57 AM Post #23 |
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The objective of Christianity: be good to your neighbours and help others. The objective of Islam: Destroy the infidel |
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| 4MERLINS | Dec 20 2010, 12:03 PM Post #24 |
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Jesus is the Christ. He took the sin of the World upon his shoulders that whosoever believe in him and take him as their personal saviour shall have eternal life..... Read revelation and study it for biblical truths... and if u havnt yet found God maybe your just not looking for you need to draw close to him through the word and prayer. IN HOC SIGN VINCES... BY THIS CROSS WE SHALL CONCOUR. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:18 PM Post #25 |
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Yeah, I know all about the Catholic Church cover ups. And I don't deny it happened, and I want to see the people involved to go to jail. But if you look at my post you'll see that I said Christianity doesn't condone what paedos do, which is true. Child marriage is allowed in Islam because of Muhammed's marriage with Aisha, and Muslims see this man as the perfect man. Whatever Muhammed did, is allowed in Islam. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:32 PM Post #26 |
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It's all equally bullsh1t. However most Christians tend to ignore the sh1te in Leviticus telling you to behead homosexuals and to stone people to death for picking up stick on a Saturday. Muslims, not so much. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:45 PM Post #27 |
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No, religion isn't all 'bollocks'. It may be to those wishing to disrespect it but it certainly isn't to those who do respect their own particular religions. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:52 PM Post #28 |
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From Matthew 5:17 "5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." So that's straight from Jesus's mouth, Old Testament still applies. Some other nice peaceful words from Jeses: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword." And a lovely little piece of homophobia as well: "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." That's right folks, Jesus thought gays deserved death. What a nice guy eh? |
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| Gorgie | Dec 20 2010, 12:53 PM Post #29 |
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I believe that religion, in most cases, is healthy. It gives me comfort, so what? Does it make me a bad person? No. I am not devout, I am open and prepared for a bit of give and take. But at the end of the day I still hold the basic Christian values this country was built upon. I don't mind if people are athiests either. You believe what you believe, and who am I, or who is anyone to tell you you're wrong. I just don't like it when some athiests act like fascists and tell what I believe in is a load of sh1t. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:54 PM Post #30 |
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Religion doesn't deserve respect. It's all a bunch of lies, that leads people away from the truth and has held humanity back for millenia. |
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| markus87 | Dec 20 2010, 12:54 PM Post #31 |
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Religion is dangerous. |
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| Gorgie | Dec 20 2010, 12:56 PM Post #32 |
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You have to understand that is what it was like 2000 years ago. Fortunately, Christianity, in general, has evolved along with acceptance of homosexuals. |
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| fireman_tim | Dec 20 2010, 12:56 PM Post #33 |
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Communism did not follow any religion, killed more humans than any other groups or ideal in known history. Faithless people did that. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:02 PM Post #34 |
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No, the beliefs of a lot of mainstream Christians in Britain have evolved. Round the world many Christians still take this as given. And even if you were right, I don't care. Any holy book that says stuff like this isn't worth the paper it's written on in my opinion. Way more people have been killed in the name of religion than in the name of Communism. |
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| Gorgie | Dec 20 2010, 01:04 PM Post #35 |
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I'd say most of the Western world myself, apart from some parts of the US. Fair enough Nobody is forcing you to like it or believe in it
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"One ought never to turn one's back on a threatened danger and try to run away from it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half. Never run away from anything. Never!" "You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." Winston Churchill | |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:06 PM Post #36 |
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I like that. Buddhism is the least religious religion I know (nothing is to be taken on trust, therefore it is against doctrine). However, even buddhism as a religious institution is a form of control. When I talk to my friends (who were brought up in buddhist countries) about buddhism they say it is unrecognizable. It's perfectly possible that my (academic) understanding of buddhism (as seen from the west) is wrong. The difference is that most western "practising" buddhists see it as a religion just like those indoctrinated into it. Religion is far too useful as a mechanism of social control for governors not to use it as such. And islam undoubtedly lends itself to social control more than others. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:08 PM Post #37 |
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Mmm but bare in mind a lot of Africa and South America are still hardcore literal intepreters of the Bible And yes, that's why I have more respect for Christianity than Islam, because the followers of it aren't gonna try and force me to believe it, or behead me for disagreeing with them. |
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| Gorgie | Dec 20 2010, 01:11 PM Post #38 |
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Fair point, but how times do you hear about gays getting stoned or be-headed in a Christian country? They may not like homosexuality, but they are civilised enough not to act upon their dislike. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:12 PM Post #39 |
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But did he actually do anything violent? I'm going to stop posting in this thread now as I'm not a very religious person. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:17 PM Post #40 |
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That's basically what I was saying in my post. There are a few cases of gays, or more often transsexual people, getting shot, beaten in Africa and the Caribbean countries, but it's not as large a problem as the treatment of homosexuals under Islam. For example in Iraq gay men get they're buttocks superglued together with industrial strength glue, then force fed laxative. It takes 2-3 weeks to die. Other than chuck a few tables around in Solomon's temple I'm pretty sure he didn't. Certainly was a better person than Muhammad. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:19 PM Post #41 |
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So then, you've expressed a partial agreement with me on that one. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 01:20 PM Post #42 |
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That's my point. Does it say anywhere in the New Testament that Christians should kill people? |
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| tomz | Dec 20 2010, 01:34 PM Post #43 |
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Thats exactly right. Infact the reason we're in this mess is simply we dont worship God anymore, we dont go to church. We are turning into an athiest state and the Muslims are simply filling the void |
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| Gorgie | Dec 20 2010, 01:34 PM Post #44 |
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Fair enough. But I'd appreciate it if you could stop slagging off religion. I don't undermine athieism by telling all athiests they will go to hell (even though I don't believe that's the way God works) Agreed Edited by Gorgie, Dec 20 2010, 01:35 PM.
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Let's forget homophobia (just for a moment). Islam endorses slavery. They ran the slave trade for 1300 years. The few muslims who admit to knowing about this like to cite Segal's Islam's Black Slaves, and choose the odd phrase in there that makes islamic slavery look slightly less bad than the transatlantic slave trade. What they don't like to admit is that Segal also points out that it was the west (particularly Britain) that forced the islamic world to end their 1000+ years of slavery and slave-trading. They also don't like to point out that Segal says there was still slaving going on in the Gulf states into the 1970s (although on a massively reduced scale from the 19th century). There is no comparison between Jesus and Mohammed. I wish every person in Britain would at least read the 120 pages in the (abridged) Life of Mohammed (one of islam's holy books and a good read), to see that this imposter prophet (as he was known in the west until 1920) should never be compared with Jesus or Buddha: http://www.scribd.com/doc/27156626/The-Earliest-Biography-of-Muhammad-By-Ibn-Ishaq Let's not fool ourselves that "so-called" Christians (even in the modern world) cannot be intensely barbaric. Uganda has proposed a law in the last year to execute homos (under the influence of evangelical christians - who I'm pretty sure still eat prawns, even though they too are proscribed in Leviticus): http://www.mancouch.com/717743281/uganda-voting-on-homosexuality-execution-law-inspired-by-american-evangelicals/ And to make matters worse, the BBC could not see what was wrong in hosting a discussion about this entitled "Should Homosexuals be Executed?": http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thread.jspa?forumID=7347&sortBy=2&edition=1&ttl=20101220123506 The BBC would NEVER permit a debate entitled "should muslims be executed". Can you imagine the furore if EDL put forward a topic like "should muslims be executed"? Or if the BNP had a discussion called "should blacks be executed"? But because it was black african christians, that blinded them. Partly it is racism on the behalf of the BBC, the racism that Ayaan Hirsi Ali calls "the racism of low expectations" - the media simply think that black africans are savages, therefore there is no need to expect them to uphold civilised standards. Partly it was because logic and reason go out the window once someone claims they are following their holy book. The vast majority of religious leaders in the UK have opposed any laws that treat gay people as human beings. Despite all of them claiming their religion encompasses Leviticus, I'm sure none of them are demanding that whelk stalls be closed. |
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| Capt Haddock | Dec 20 2010, 01:54 PM Post #46 |
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I'm not sure if people understand it was necessary to break the chains of religion and move on. Yes religion once played a major part in the west; however, it is nothing more than a story of morals today as far as I'm concerned. Times change, technology changes and the mind advances. The people who wrote those books 2000yrs ago probably had no idea just how much man would achieve. Science has unanimously proven religion is, in many areas, a fallacy. More to the point, has the west broken the shackles of Christianity to replace them with a more sinister so-called religion to hold your thoughts in check? I do not think so, and freethinking people should never let it happen. Otherwise, it is 1 step forward, and 1400 back, especially where Islam is concerned. |
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| aluman | Dec 20 2010, 01:59 PM Post #47 |
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as far as am concerned this is a christian country not islamic, not catholic but CE so all the rest can fcuk off far as i,m concerned and yes chritian religion is very inportant, and its about time we had a knew head of the christian church, cause the old one is more interested in sucking up to islam than she is at pormoting my countries religion, and just to add some fuel to the fire is it not true that catholics think they can commit any crime they like and say ten hayel mary,s and their sins are forgiven ? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 02:13 PM Post #48 |
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Religion per se did not kill anyone, MAN killing people in THE NAME of religion did however. Besides, if we did not have religion we wouldn´t have had "Father Ted" - I rest my case. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 05:23 PM Post #49 |
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you know you make me piss myself.you know absolute fcukall.about catholics.you know about confession,and what they have to do before and after.but then what ?and for each individual?you pipe on about all those bnp brothers you have on here not to be slagged off because they are your brothers well im a Catholic and you are slagging my family off now so fcuk off you prick.the king herny who married so many fcukin times,killed so many women and divorced them sounds more like a fukin muslim to me.do you know he also converted back to being a catholic and wipped himself because he knew what he had done? ive not posted this to get a row with any one just aluman the dick,get things right you ignorant fool. keep the faith paxi
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| HUSCARL | Dec 20 2010, 05:28 PM Post #50 |
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Calm down Paxi youll blow a gasket
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