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| Popper | Dec 19 2010, 04:36 PM Post #1 |
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The EDL exists, it is alive, it is galvanised in one IDEA. It is welded to the idea that Islamic (Sharia compliant) culture is not a friend of freedom and should be resisted to defend the rights of the individual. We believe that Britain (the birthplace of individual human rights) is a far better place to live, than a society based on the unalterable doctrine of the Quoran. No leadership, no point of attack by the enemies of freedom. We have our symbols now, we have our badge. We are legion. We are EDL |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 04:54 PM Post #2 |
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With a question like that I think you need to swat up on the EDL. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 04:58 PM Post #3 |
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not having a dig pal.......... but did you get your name from taking poppers by any chance........? like christine says ,you need to swat up on the history of the EDL i think keep the faith paxi
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| protectthehuman | Dec 19 2010, 05:02 PM Post #4 |
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to link to the question..are the EDL leaders on here active EDl who have membership/go on maches ect? |
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I will protect the human,the non extreamist human We are EDL I amLGBTI amCov and Warwick Division | |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 05:11 PM Post #5 |
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No one has membership and yes, leadership go on demos and do loads of other stuff.
Every group needs leadership, a focus and it doesn't follow that there will be nothing to attack if there isn't a leadership. We would be a huge movement that pulled in different directions with out a leader. |
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| Popper | Dec 19 2010, 05:18 PM Post #6 |
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Christine I am a Libertarian. I care not a jot what people get up to in their personal lives, as long as it does not affect my life, liberty or property. I believe that Britain, like I have mentioned before, became a Great county because it left individual human beings to get on with life unhindered by the State. Institutions like Hospitals were dreamed up and started by individual charity. They were not funded by coercion by the State (give us more money for the land of milk and honey) ie NHS and the Welfare state. I know how the forces of darkness will work against the EDL. It is very similar to how military forces defeat their enemies. I was involved in the Fathers for Justice movement and I have seen it all before. It goes like this. FIND FIX SMASH. Have you noticed how ALL of the media (including the Daily Mail) are against us? Our movement is NON PARTY POLITICAL movement. It has no other aim than to stop Islamic culture dominating our personal lives. How can you defeat Islam when it is merely an Idea. If your enemy does something that works adopt it. Or is it? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 05:21 PM Post #7 |
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PMSL... what with LionSingh demonstrating his knowledge of the more obscure gay sexual practices, and now devout christians making jokes about poppers... I'm starting to feel like I'm the one who needs to get out more
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| williamdegriffin | Dec 19 2010, 05:26 PM Post #8 |
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it ceases to be an idea when peolpe start applying it , the E.D.L. ceased to be an idea when it started moving as one and others started joining in to try and apply it . as an idea grows it must evolve to defend its self on other levels . a political party is only a matter of time . |
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This land is mine and as such respect me and my ways for my tolerance only goes so far william de griffin REGAIN THE CHURCH REMOVE ISLAM FROM THE UK AND EUROPE. | |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 05:26 PM Post #9 |
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lolol @HS...ive never been to the north pole but i know there is snow there. hya pal.you did make me laugh with your post.lololkeep the faith paxi
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| Popper | Dec 19 2010, 05:33 PM Post #10 |
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Hi there, No my username is a reference to a great thinker. Karl Popper. Quote: Those who promise us paradise on earth never produced anything but a hell. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 05:36 PM Post #11 |
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Quote: Those who promise us paradise on earth never produced anything but a hell..................................... thats politics for you mate bastard inint...... hello to you too. keep the faith paxi
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| Popper | Dec 19 2010, 05:38 PM Post #12 |
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Thanks, I hope you really had a think about what my message was. All the best, Popper.
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| protectthehuman | Dec 19 2010, 05:39 PM Post #13 |
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I saw that there is a price to gain actual membership to the EDL..why does it cost so much? |
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I will protect the human,the non extreamist human We are EDL I amLGBTI amCov and Warwick Division | |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 05:44 PM Post #14 |
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Quote: Those who promise us paradise on earth never produced anything but a hell.......................... would it be this in your message.....islam tells us/them that while we are living on earth the here and now as they say it to the people you go to paradise and in doing so they create hell with death and destruction of innocents with the suicide bombers doing the devils will? i hope you undertand what i mean...or is it some thing else? keep the faith paxi
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| Nell_Angel | Dec 19 2010, 05:46 PM Post #15 |
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I dont think a political party is a good idea at all,take decades to establish Tell you what i DO think is a good idea.. Setting up a registered charity with the stated aim of "educating the wider British community regarding the islamic faith" including providing educational materials for RE classes in schools and materials for members of other faiths and then turning up and delivering the DETAIL of what Islam professes so that Everyone in this country gets to know ![]() Phrase it right and you'll get lottery funding
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| slodger | Dec 19 2010, 06:01 PM Post #16 |
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Know what you mean...I think I am leading quite a boring life.
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 06:45 PM Post #17 |
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I can't find fault in your post but don't understand 'Or is it?" What is it you're asking? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 06:48 PM Post #18 |
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I don't know what you mean. EDL has talked about a membership scheme, but nothing has been decided. Could you provide us with a link so we know what you are referring to? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 07:03 PM Post #19 |
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Ok its sunday and as always am hung over but thought I would come up with a few questions for you to ponder If we did not have a leadership strucutre then :- How would we unite as one? Who would decide on where we demo? Who would liaise with police to arrange demo? Who would organise a stage and PA system for demo? Who would decide who speaks at demo's? Who would speak at demo's? Who would arrange the security team and stewards? Who would make decisions? Who would run this forum? Who would run the Facebook page? Who would sort out merchandise (yes I know slight fcuk up recently apologies again) Who would run and pay for website? Who would write articles? Who would design purchase and organise flyers for demo's? Who would arrange travel to Demo's? Who would do media interviews? As I say its Sunday so I cant think properly and I probably have only just scratched the surface with here. A lot of people just turn up at demo's and post on here a few times a week. They don't realise the huge amount of effort that is put into the EDL by the Leadership team and the RO's. It would be good if people could actually see how much some do for our cause. As for the guy that asked if Leadership attend demo's then clearly you don't know anything about the EDL you must not have read anything or watched anything or you would know the answer to this. No Surrender |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 07:05 PM Post #20 |
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A movement as big as the EDL definitely needs a leadership structure. |
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| Popper | Dec 19 2010, 08:27 PM Post #21 |
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The "Or is it" statement was left over from the message I said. looking at it now could look quiet sinister. It isnt really is it? Western civilisation is compised of a hierachy of ideas. Islam has had no .......... Ideas for Several Centuries. Why has Islam been so useless at every level? Mohammed is dead and nobody (nowadays who is not a Islam believer) cares a FCUK? No you are wrong there. The Power of the IDEA is farm more powerful than the organisation. Watch V for vendetta for the concept. If Tommy turned up and slagged me off, as a person who lived in an area where a Racist sentiment was felt, Would I be a RACIST? I wouldn't would I. These are the battles that the forces against us are FIGHTING. Edited by Popper, Dec 19 2010, 08:35 PM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 08:40 PM Post #22 |
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How would the EDL organise itself then? Do you at least agree that there needs to be divisional leaders? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 08:42 PM Post #23 |
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How would we unite as one? Who would decide on where we demo? Who would liaise with police to arrange demo? Who would organise a stage and PA system for demo? Who would decide who speaks at demo's? Who would speak at demo's? Who would arrange the security team and stewards? Who would make decisions? Who would run this forum? Who would run the Facebook page? Who would sort out merchandise (yes I know slight fcuk up recently apologies again) Who would run and pay for website? Who would write articles? Who would design purchase and organise flyers for demo's? Who would arrange travel to Demo's? Who would do media interviews |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 09:08 PM Post #24 |
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@Popper: Are you suggesting there should be no leadership structure? |
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| Popper | Dec 19 2010, 09:12 PM Post #25 |
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Stop being so selfish. The Islamic system is pure garbage, you know it!!!!!! We, as FREE PEOPLE make EVERYTHING happen INNIT Laughable if you think outherwise? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 09:17 PM Post #26 |
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Answer Andy's questions please. Don't make a suggestion without answering the questions asked. |
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| Popper | Dec 19 2010, 09:19 PM Post #27 |
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Yes, I have stated my case why. Our country has EVIL forces who care "NOT A JOT" for democracy? These forces, hate every thing that we stand for. Become more understanding of the R£AL meaning of FREEDOM. Let us have 6 DIFFERENT BAnks? wHATEVER |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 09:23 PM Post #28 |
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I believe we have another nutjob, Ladies and Gentlemen. Nobody make any sudden moves. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 09:25 PM Post #29 |
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Elgreco I think you have nailed it on the head mate an absolute fruitbat on the boards |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 09:37 PM Post #30 |
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lol |
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| shnarkle | Dec 19 2010, 09:39 PM Post #31 |
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Demonstrating against something and changing something are not the same thing at all. From a demonstration point of view the entire media have decided that the EDL are a right wing bunch of racist thugs who's message is not worthy of serious consideration. With the resourses at their disposal they will always win the PR battle for hearts and minds; which surely we are trying to do. However, there is more than can be done than just demonstrate. If demonstrating doesn't win hearts and minds, and doesn't change things, then what are the EDL to do next? Demonstrate some more? That would have already proved to be ineffective to achieve its aims and shows that the organisation cannot evolve, because it has no official, elected leadership. The charity idea mentioned above sounds interesting; however, which organisation in their right mind are going to expose children to the racist bile of what they perceive, as a result of media attacks, to be the Nazi party under a different name. Without leadership, a manifesto of its aims, and political representation the EDL will, on the grand scale be largely ineffective because it doesn't have a voice where it matters - the corridors of power. Without a massive, carefully targeted PR campaign with the aim of turning around the perceived view of the EDL then they will continue to be invited on TV and radio shows to be shied at, and to be made to look small , stupid racists. What fun for the other panel members - to have a common enemy they can all give a good kicking to, and look good themselves in the process. The only way to gain widespread respect and sympathy for our views, is to have a leadership who can decide upon, and actively pursue specific targets in a bid to give the EDL an air of respectability and banish the oh so easily applied, racist tag. At the same time they need to be pursuing a political agenda with a manifesto of specific things that they feel they can change through a combination of demonstration, PR exercises and political lobbying. With a specific agenda and attainable targets the EDL can, through the auspices of its leadership concentrate all its energy, and the undoubted talents of many of its members into achieving those goals; rather than, sort of being against the islamification of England in a generalised way. Target our attack; achieve our goal; move on to the next level. Without a brain an organism can survive and that's about it. With a brain, it can take decisions that will benefit the organism, rebutt criticism with a carefully thought out reply, decide when and where to attack, and co-ordinate the many threads of action that constitute a complex organism. If the EDL do not embrace a leadership; and if the EDL do not open a political wing they will never be an organisation that is taken seriously by those that truly have the power and make the decisions that matter. |
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| BlueStar | Dec 19 2010, 11:13 PM Post #32 |
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The EDL is a single issue movement and long may it continue to be so. It's also a very successful single issue movement because, during the short period of its existence, it has managed to bring to wide public prominence the otherwise taboo subject of militant Islam and has highlighted the destructive impact of such ideology upon English/ western cultural values. What agenda would the EDL follow if it was a political party? Who knows? No doubt a variant agenda that would not have the backing of all the broad range of differing political viewpoints presently represented in this popular movement, which broad coalition is united in the fight against the spread of Islamo-Fascism. I see no advantage at all in "party politicising" the EDL - to do so would, IMO, detract from the main focus of what we are about and risk splintering this movement into a myriad of factions. This is an anti-Islamist movement of English Patriots with a brand name that is recognised throughout the world as spearheading the anti-Jihadi struggle. Embrace it, celebrate it, grow with it - don't change it. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 11:19 PM Post #33 |
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was there not another thread about us going political was this one not about leadership or is everyone trying to confuse me |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 11:22 PM Post #34 |
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your right andy,there is another topic about us going political link http://s1.zetaboards.com/EDL_The_Forum/topic/4007627/2/#new |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 11:34 PM Post #35 |
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people just out to play with my fragile sunday mind me thinks |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 11:59 PM Post #36 |
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TOMMY ROBINSONS BARMY ARMY |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:00 AM Post #37 |
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I can't make sense of half the posts, they're all over the place and.........I dunno! |
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| shnarkle | Dec 20 2010, 12:01 AM Post #38 |
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If the EDL were to remain apolitical, what are you actually going to do to change anything on a national scale? And what aspect of islamification are you going to stop first? Just saying, "yeah, we're going to stop Islamo-fascism!" does not cut the mustard if you can't explain what measures you are going to take that might have a reasonable chance of success in countering a very organised and planned attack on our freedoms. Yes, demonstrations are a very important weapon that highlights the level of public opinion in support of your cause; but it is only one line of attack, and as the entire press and the major political parties have already branded the EDL racist thugs whose opinions are repugnant and therefor not worth listening to, the very people who may have sympathy with the EDL's cause are unlikely to put their heads over the parapet in support for fear of being branded a swivel eyed Nazi racist. Rather than splinter the EDL, a political approach will give structure, and therefor strength to the organisation; with specific goals identified that the organisation as a whole can strive towards. Those goals must be realistically achievable, and a consensus polled from the EDL's members. You may not satisfy everybody's ideal manifesto; but it gives a concrete base that can be used to apply political pressure in the right places in a bid to protect our country. Make no mistake; without political lobbying, bills will never be introduced in Parliament that will protect us from the Islamists agenda. And by changing laws, or introducing new bills is the ONLY way that real, lasting change will happen. To eschew adopting a political approach to the EDL's aspirations would be a self inflicted mortal wound, and leave the organisation forever in the influencial wilderness. And what can you hope to achieve from there? |
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| Quiet_Man | Dec 20 2010, 12:06 AM Post #39 |
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The media's image is slowly changing about us anyway, we do get some good press. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 12:37 AM Post #40 |
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Correct, QM. We're doing good work here. Marcus Brigstocke was slagging us off on Radio 4 recently. The lefty half-wit doesn't realise that a lot of Radio 4 listeners had never heard of the EDL. Well they have now. They'll google us and we'll attract more members. Somebody on twitter posted "I don't suppose the EDL listen to Radio 4". Well, I'm EDL to the bone and I've had stuff broadcast on Radio 4. People are waking up, slowly but surely. Never under-estimate people who are right. It may take some time, but good traditionally has a way of triumphing over evil. NSE |
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| BlueStar | Dec 20 2010, 01:00 AM Post #41 |
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If being party-political stopped stereo-typing all well and good. There is no evidence that this is the case however as BNP, UKIP, Liberals, Tories etc.. continue to be viewed stereotypically. The EDL are doing a fantastic job and are making excellent progress. There is enormous media interest in the EDL and its message now- and such interest generates debate/informs public opinion and this ultimately influences governmental decision-making. The image of the EDL now is certainly a lot better than it was at its inception and as the movement grows - and with the passage of time - such image, IMO, will continue to improve. Parliament does not forge innovation - it is the public will that forges innovation. Extra-parliamentary social movements create, reflect and shape public opinion in the first place and have a huge influence, historically evidenced, far beyond what might be obtained by seeking a few powerless - here today-gone tomorrow - backbench MP's. |
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| Nell_Angel | Dec 20 2010, 01:00 AM Post #42 |
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Some of us can even read and write, cheeky sods
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 02:22 AM Post #43 |
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.....and we even use rudimentary tools!
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| slodger | Dec 20 2010, 07:54 AM Post #44 |
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There is absolutely no need for the EDL to go into party politics by fielding candidates in elections. It is not necessarily the logical next step. I have said it before and will probably be saying it again, that the advances in Gay Rights were made by campaigning , lobbying and demonstrationsn. It made huge advances through this method of influencing the parties and voters and I believe the EDL can do the same. |
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| Popper | Dec 20 2010, 09:24 AM Post #45 |
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I could not agree more. Some have doubted my sanity on this thread, but there have been enough people who have contributed, that have thought about the question properly. The EDL in my view, and others needs, to stay out of the political process. You can never kill off an idea. |
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| squarepeg | Dec 20 2010, 11:39 AM Post #46 |
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Yes we do need a leadership. We need spokesmen, leasers, and decision makers. We are fortunate to have people that listen to what we say, recognise the consensus and direct us where we want to go. We are fortunate to have a leadership that we can dispose of any time we like, this is no tyranny. We are fortunate that we have other potential leaders. In a strange way the EDL is the epitome of democracy, and minimal bureaucracy. We mirror Islam. This is the force they can not handle, we are the dexter version of their sinister. |
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| Popper | Dec 20 2010, 12:16 PM Post #47 |
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| jeceris | Dec 20 2010, 01:00 PM Post #48 |
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Having a "Leadership" is a good idea but are we not ALL leading the way? The EDL with, what i percieve, an ever-growing and diverse membership, is being hugely-sucessful in conveying its ethos to the nation without instruction or dictation. We are a focused-collective of like-minded individuals with a singular purpose. Together, EDL is one voice, rising in volume. There is no complexity; our aim is easily-understood thus needs no clarification by a higher-body (We've seen political parties commit social-suicide through internal power-struggles!). The sheer diversity of our members shows this. It is important that we have the global-moderators to curtail the more radical amongst us; those who may drag us down to a publicly-percieved, 'base-level' that the all-powerful MSM might wish-for, but for now, the criteria is being met. We have the resolve to 'govern' ourselves and as 'Slodger' says, the way forward is via "campaigning, lobbying and (PEACEFUL) demonstration". We will thrive on the oxygen of publicity as long as we're open and honest in standing-up for that which we rightly believe- free-speech and humanistic values. All for one, one for all. Love and respect....
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| wakeyedl | Dec 20 2010, 01:14 PM Post #49 |
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I am relaxed for Tommy to head the Leadership. He is 100% committed, an eccellent talker, knows his stuff, has put his neck on the line and I remain very impressed by the marketing, design, structured set-up and the general visual presence of the EDL. Perhaps a look at the second tier of management may be worth a look. Wakey Long live the EDL |
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| prestonfootpatrol | Dec 20 2010, 01:30 PM Post #50 |
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to all the newbie's on here who keep trying to throw there 2pence worth in.. kEEP YOUR STUPID sh1tTY COMMENTS TO YOURSELF(ATLEAST TILL YOU GO A DEMO OR GET INVOLVED WITH A DIVISION ECT) you been here 5mins and think you know everything...There are loads of you about recently. just over 16 months ago people said to me the edl was dead before we even got started. They aint here anymore and doubt most of you newbie's will be next year as well. |
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