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| What are EDL's views on National Socialism? (NOT related to Nazi Germany); just to clear things up | |
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| the_13th | Dec 18 2010, 09:56 PM Post #1 |
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Hello all, I have read quite a lot about EDL being a "bunch of mindless racists", but having skimmed through your discussion, I see rationalism and concern for preservation of European (in this case British) culture, and along with it clear acceptance of other non-imposing cultures - I've seen some Russian and Jewish people - which I find excellent. I am quite concerned about the potential threat from Islam (not so much terrorism, as simply cultural/religious imposing on others). I oppose any violence targeted at any particular groups and I think co-existence of multiple cultures is possible, as long as the culture of the country doesn't get saturated or a guest religion/culture doesn't become imposing and dominating. I do know Muslim people, who are decent people, etc. Yet it shocks me that the amount of Islamists claiming - and putting their words into action - that Islam will dominate Europe. I was also shocked, when a Muslim person, whom I considered a friend, being part of mostly Muslim protesters hurled a glass bottle into Jewish people coming out of a synagogue. I have also noted that EDL seem to oppose any leftish movements (now, this is my impression, correct it, if it's wrong) - socialists and communists and the like. What if these ideologies serve national ideas, etc.? I come from Austria and in my country we have a regime, which could be described as National Socialism (nothing to do with the Third Reich) - which means equality of cultures, ethnicities and religions and large social support. At the same time, people are urged to integrate; Austrian culture is preserved as much as possible, and immigrants criticising Austrian values or customs are quite openly asked: "If you don't like it, what are you doing here?" Additionally social benefits are given to immigrants, so they may have decent living conditions, but Austrians are given better benefits. So, this is a mixture of left and right, so to say. I am wondering what the EDL's views on any such politics are. Do you think it's possible in modern British society? What are your views on activists for social care, public sector and education funding? Do you consider them enemies of the British nation, or do you agree with their struggle for better provision of public goods and services? Thanks. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 10:03 PM Post #2 |
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| Quiet_Man | Dec 18 2010, 10:04 PM Post #3 |
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The EDL are apolitical, whilst many may have views on National Socialism or its barsteward offspring fascism, the organisation as a whole supports no political creed, it just opposes extremism. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 10:06 PM Post #4 |
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I think he's talking about a completely different kind of politics though, not the Fascist kind. Read his post carefully. |
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| constantine | Dec 18 2010, 10:06 PM Post #5 |
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The 13th; I speak for myself being a supporter of the EDL and because I study Islam; It is not possible to live in unity/harmony with Islam/Muslims because from it's inception jihad is a central tenet which is forcefully indoctrinated into the minds of Muslims from a young age. There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim no matter how docile they appear to be they are taught to be this way to lull the people into a false sense of security, all Islam is intent on world domination and in fact like communism Sharia cannot work unless there is total domination by Islam in any given country. |
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| Wade | Dec 18 2010, 10:07 PM Post #6 |
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the edl is non political so all answers given would be the authors own view. as for the opposition to left leaning groups, this is solely down to there opposition of us imho who had heard of the swp or uaf before they joined the edl? |
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| Nell_Angel | Dec 18 2010, 10:14 PM Post #7 |
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My understanding is EDL supporters come from across the political, religious, racial, gender, sexual spectrum. What we share is a love of a way of life that allows us to express our opinions without fear of intimidation. I'm a Christian and if anyone on this forum wants to tell me and all my fellow Christians to f-off, draw an insulting sketch of Jesus or his Father, make fun of my silly cross emblem, or whatever... thats perfectly fine with me. I thank God we live in a society where we can say what we want and express ourselves ![]() If they want me to go and make them a cup of tea cause i'm a woman and we should wait on men hand and foot, thats perfectly ok too, though that boiling hot drink might accidentally spill in their lap possibly
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 10:15 PM Post #8 |
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"the_13th", like others have said, the EDL is not political so the replies to this thread are not the views of the EDL. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 10:17 PM Post #9 |
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The EDL are apolitical and exist to counter the threat of radical islam and the creeping islamisation of our country. It would be fair to say that any views expressed on this subject would be the views of the individual posters and not the views of the EDL. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 10:30 PM Post #10 |
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I totally stand with the EDL on many issues, and I'm very much focused on equal civil rights. Sometimes it's easy to get bogged down in debate about an Ideology when you can simply look at it from a civil rights perspective have you heard of 4 Freedoms? http://4freedoms.ning.com/ Here is a 12 point plan by them which makes total sense http://4freedoms.ning.com/group/EDL/forum/topics/the-12point-plan-for-equal?xg_source=msg_mes_network |
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| Wade | Dec 18 2010, 10:39 PM Post #11 |
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just read your post properly so your an austrian national socialist? what is the party called? are you in reality called cuthbert, go to uni in leeds and think you could impress your sad little sexually repressed mates? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 11:06 PM Post #12 |
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That's the first time I've read that and, not only does it make perfect sense but it's also put across well. I know I could live with "The 12-Point Plan for Equal Civil Rights" but I doubt it would be acceptable to islamists. Never mind, eh?
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 11:23 PM Post #13 |
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The trolls are really coming out of the woodwork in the last week. We've had the "supporter of the BNP", coming here after a 9 month absence, complaining about "lefties" here who are anti-BNP. Then we've had the "15 y.o. white boy from whitechapel" (writing with the vocabulary of a 30 y.o.) asking why we don't become "Unite Against Communism". Now we have an Austrian nazi trying to winkle some approval of national socialism out of us! I suppose these BNP supporters and crypto-commies make a change from the vast majority of muslims who come here knowing less about islam than we do. Perhaps we should rename EDL to the Heinz Defence League - 'cos we certainly have more than 57 varieties. |
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| AshB1980 | Dec 18 2010, 11:41 PM Post #14 |
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I believe you just got well and truly as a troll
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| haydenb | Dec 18 2010, 11:53 PM Post #15 |
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The stated aim of the EDL may be what it states on the tin, but have to say that deep down and people don't say it officially, if you speak to many like minded at the demo's etc, the EDL are striking a blow for the working class bloke/lass who is no longer being given a stake in the political or cultural future of this country. The type of bloke who used stand on the terraces at football, vote Labour in the North as they used to fight for us up here, or possibly working class Tory in the south when social mobility was a realistic possibility. We've been binned and put on the scrapheap as Capitalism accelerates and cheap Labour has been brought in from abroad and the country is now run by the Bullingdon club, hardly a democracy. A virtual state of sectarianism between Islam and non-Islam has been present in inner city communities and the majority of the EDL were sick of living with this, we know from our experience there is no such a thing as multi-cultural integration with Islam, and deep down I think the EDL are calling the Middle Classes to this as much as they are sending a few home truth's back to the moderate Islamic population of the UK. Had the EDL not have formed and had Islam continued to grow unopposed, I feel the minute it had adversely started to touch the powerful and influential in this country in their rural shires it would have been stopped anyway, but we can't wait that long, we don't have the opportunity to live in the middle class utopia. Had the stress valve of the EDL not been formed do you really think that after 30 years of putting up with Islam in our communities we would have been prepared to bail out the middle classes many of whom to silence us, as they do not have to tolerate Islam sectarianism on their streets and hope it will go away before it gets to their doors, are in the UAF, and rescue them from the mad mullah's. Nah, for me, we're looking after our people who have this problem to deal with, the working classes, doesn't matter what ethnicity or political viewpoint. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 11:58 PM Post #16 |
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Top post, spot on. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 12:37 AM Post #17 |
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 02:41 AM Post #18 |
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Hello The 13th. Do you think we zip up the back, by any chance? fcuk off, half-wit (I'm being generous, there). Taxi for Schickelgruber. |
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| London-Calling | Dec 19 2010, 03:05 AM Post #19 |
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Schickelgruber??? I thought Hitler was a Shekelgroeber (Money Grabber - as in Shekel Grabber)??? There are those that say he was a Rothschild bastard (EG illegitimate child) of the family that partly hailed from Frankfort... No matter what you say OP when you mention "National Socialism" to some it is going to conjure up memories of Nazi Germany. To others National Socialism will conjure up a complete opposite feeling or a sense of feelings that are difficult to decipher - even at a personal level- - so is life and each & every one of existences! To ask whether the EDL has a view on "National Socialism" tbh is like asking for a conclusion on 200 years of international debate and an answer to things none us can truly answer as an individual or as a group in agreement Edited by London-Calling, Dec 19 2010, 03:06 AM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 19 2010, 03:27 AM Post #20 |
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Ah. The Jewish thing again. Interesting thought progression there, London Calling. Now the reality. Not just to "some", but to anybody with even the most rudimentary grasp of 20th century European history, mention of National Socialism (particularly in juxtaposition to the OP's claim to being Austrian) will "conjure up memories of Nazi Germany". Anybody who isn't aware of that oughtn't really to be playing on their grown-ups' computer at this time of night. Unless they're a grown-up themselves, in which case they would seem to be anti-EDL. Or maybe I missed some nuance. |
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