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Mrs Thatcher advised UKIP on party morale; is UKIP our only hope ?
Topic Started: Dec 18 2010, 10:47 AM (464 Views)
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/alexsingleton/100068746/exclusive-thatcher-advised-ukip-on-party-morale/

Baroness Thatcher may be the ultimate symbol of the Conservative Party, but it seems that she has sympathies with UKIP. Before the general election, she had lunch with Lord Pearson and they discussed the problems that Pearson, then UKIP’s leader, was having in keeping the support of activists.

She advised him to hire Viscount Monckton, a former Telegraph journalist, who she said had done a brilliant job for her in the Number 10 Policy Unit. You may think Monckton looks eccentric (although I have to say I have a soft spot for stripey blazers and tweed), but she regards him as razor-sharp. What’s more, Thatcher had relied upon his understanding of how people outside the Westminster elite think during her premiership, as he’d spent his Saturdays travelling anonymously to pubs in his biking gear and chatting to the public – and she thought this skill would be an asset to UKIP.

Lord Pearson jumped at Thatcher’s advice and appointed him UKIP’s deputy leader, tasked with giving speeches at local UKIP branches. For the record, a UKIP spokesman told me that “Malcolm [Pearson] would not want to comment on the contents a private lunch”, while one from the Margaret Thatcher Foundation declined to discuss the matter.

Anyway, I know this news won’t cheer the current Conservative leadership, but there’s a question they should be asking themselves. If even Margaret Thatcher, the longest-serving Conservative PM of the 20th century, now thinks that UKIP is worth helping, aren’t the Tories getting something seriously wrong?
Edited by Fritz, Dec 18 2010, 10:48 AM.
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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She's got dementia. :blink:
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Dec 18 2010, 10:58 AM
She's got dimmentia. :blink:
Magaret Thatcher even with reduced intellectual capacity, knows better where the Interests of the British people are than the combined brain power of the 600 snouts in the trough put together.

As for Cameron and Clegg...2 self indulgent egos trying to stay in power.

Clegg can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time while smoking a cigar as 10,000 rioting students will testify
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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Although I'm no fan of Thatcher I definitely think UKIP is the way forward and they'll be getting my vote from here on out. If anyone's unfamiliar with them I'd advise checking out their website, they've got really good explanations of their policies including a brief 'top 10 policies' type of thing. I think if they got into power (very doubtful I know) then our country would be in a lot better shape.
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UKIP all the way from here on out too!
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Dec 18 2010, 10:58 AM
She's got dementia. :blink:
^^^ my 1st thought too! :ermm: ^^^
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UKIP is pro immigration. Thats were our problems have stemmed from.
They don't like it up 'em.
Don't tell them your name Pike.
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Dec 18 2010, 12:44 PM
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Dec 18 2010, 10:58 AM
She's got dementia. :blink:
^^^ my 1st thought too! :ermm: ^^^
But the other 600 snouts in the trough have "DHIMMENTIA" <groan>
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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Dec 18 2010, 12:53 PM
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Dec 18 2010, 12:44 PM
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Dec 18 2010, 10:58 AM
She's got dementia. :blink:
^^^ my 1st thought too! :ermm: ^^^
But the other 600 snouts in the trough have "DHIMMENTIA" <groan>

Ouch! :D

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UKIP would manage to control and then solve the majority of this countires problems. Starting with that menacing E word that threatens all of our identities. BTW Im Pro Commonwealth immigration Anti the rest =)
Winston Churchill 'A man does what he must - in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures - and that is the basis of all human morality'
Cecil Rhodes "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first place in the lottery of life".

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Dec 18 2010, 12:47 PM
UKIP is pro immigration.
Not true. They want a five year freeze on immigration.
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UKIP appear to be our only real hope. If only other people would realise this then perhaps we would get somewhere.

I will certainly be voting for them because a vote for any of the 3 stooges is a vote for more of the same and we all know what that entails. :ermm:
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Dec 18 2010, 12:58 PM
UKIP would manage to control and then solve the majority of this countires problems. Starting with that menacing E word that threatens all of our identities. BTW Im Pro Commonwealth immigration Anti the rest =)
Pakistan's in the commonwealth, don't forget that.
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Will be voting for them aswell
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Probably the best political party in Britain.
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Dec 18 2010, 01:22 PM
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Dec 18 2010, 12:58 PM
UKIP would manage to control and then solve the majority of this countires problems. Starting with that menacing E word that threatens all of our identities. BTW Im Pro Commonwealth immigration Anti the rest =)
Pakistan's in the commonwealth, don't forget that.
Fair point, but we were more than happy to reap the benefits form such countries when we had the Empire as where they from us, so I view it as fair.

Anyway my UKIP memberships stcuk in the post thanks to all this weather! Shocker.
Winston Churchill 'A man does what he must - in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures - and that is the basis of all human morality'
Cecil Rhodes "Remember that you are an Englishman, and have consequently won first place in the lottery of life".

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Don't forget many countries also reaped the benefit the other way too with the infrastructure we built i.e. rail and roads.
Edited by Wigone, Dec 18 2010, 01:39 PM.
They don't like it up 'em.
Don't tell them your name Pike.
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Dec 18 2010, 12:47 PM
UKIP is pro immigration. Thats were our problems have stemmed from.
UKIP would halt all immigartion for 5yrs until we got a grip, then it would be purely on a needs basis...if we need you and your skills your in........whats not to like about that?

Also the first thing they'do is scrap the human rights law.........immediately allowing us to deport up to 1,000,000 without recourse for appeal etc etc.

That makes perfect sense.


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Though Ukip is a good party, I don't see it as enough to save our once great nation, There needs to be a party between Ukip and the Bnp.
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Dec 18 2010, 02:09 PM
Though Ukip is a good party, I don't see it as enough to save our once great nation, There needs to be a party between Ukip and the Bnp.
I think the UKIP need to be more active and need to make more of an effort.
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Dec 18 2010, 01:55 PM



Wow.........I am sooo impressed by this.

A speech from a politician without spin. It almost sounds like a foreign language

Thanks for posting
Goodbye guys and gals. We gave it a try. Immigration worked with everyone else. Just not muslims. No hard feelings. Have a nice life, just have it somewhere else.
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English Democrats all the way.
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Dec 18 2010, 02:35 PM
English Democrats all the way.
Do they actually do anything, though?
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Every journey starts with the first step.

And every first step is a hard one.

But if these kind of speeches gets more attention all over Europe,
more people will start realising that our identity is threatened,
by the fascists in the EU.

It will get more people on board.

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Dec 18 2010, 02:35 PM
English Democrats all the way.
Not till they ditch Steve Uncles and their association with the racist English freedom party
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People keep saying UKIP are not big enough to make a difference. Well if we all register to vote and support UKIP in the local elections the other three parties may have to take notice especialy in the north where we are strong.
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Dec 18 2010, 03:09 PM
People keep saying UKIP are not big enough to make a difference.
I do think the UKIP are big enough to make a difference. They just need to try more, imo.
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Alot of people around my area of south wales... are very poorly informed about UKIP some don't even know of the party. They just don't "advertise" themselves well enough ... I will be voting for them that i can guarantee...
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UKIP are the way foward. i'm 16 so I can't vote yet but as soon as i'm old enough, they'll be getting my vote.
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Dec 18 2010, 04:50 PM
Alot of people around my area of south wales... are very poorly informed about UKIP some don't even know of the party. They just don't "advertise" themselves well enough ... I will be voting for them that i can guarantee...
I agree there.

My wife is from a small town in South Wales. When I was visiting there just before the last election I asked in the workies if anyone would be voting UKIP. They all looked at mike like I was mad.

But after some discussion they all agreed that UKIP sounded good. Especially if you see what immigration is doing to some of the small Welsh towns.
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That Video of him making the speech '"Who the hell do you think you are?" made me realise there are some politicians who actually deserve there pay slips.

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What a fcuking top guy! well said sir.. each and every word.

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UKIP would get my vote.

However, this is what I see as a problem:

There are (IMHO) too many 'nationalist' and anti-EU political parties and groups that I'd term as woulb-be oarties. They're all trying to jockey for 1st position to secure votes at the next election and, the more votes each of these parties manage to attract, the less effective those votes will be because the votes would be spread too thinly between the parties which would be to the detriment of any single party.

Perhaps a conververgance of views with the aim of producing a single party would be the way forward. Without this voters may decide not to 'waste their vote' on small parties and opt, instead, for one of the three main parties therereby perpetuating the situation British politics and the British people now (ahem) 'enjoy'.

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My first ever chance to vote (for being old enough) was the last one and i did, and will again vote UKIP
They told me this is a free country but now it feels like a chicken factory
I feel couped up i wanna bust free got nothing to lose if you get me

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Dec 18 2010, 12:47 PM
UKIP is pro immigration. Thats were our problems have stemmed from.
UKIP Manifesto

3 Immigration & Asylum

· End uncontrolled mass immigration
· Introduce an immediate five-year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement
· Regain control of Britain’s borders to stop foreign criminals from entering our country
· End abuse of the UK asylum system and expel Islamic extremists
· Introduce a strict new points-based visa system and time-limited work permits
· Triple the number of UK Borders Agency staff engaged in controlling immigration (to 30,000)
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I shall not only vote UKIP I shall volunteer to leaflet my estate so that people know who they are and you dont have to be 18+ to support them and give a hand.
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Fair play to Nigel, the EU is allowed its view but the people of the nations involved can't have theirs.
can't all countries look after themselves and leave each other alone?
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UKIP is pro immigration. Thats were our problems have stemmed from.
UKIP Manifesto

3 Immigration & Asylum

· End uncontrolled mass immigration
· Introduce an immediate five-year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement
· Regain control of Britain’s borders to stop foreign criminals from entering our country
· End abuse of the UK asylum system and expel Islamic extremists
· Introduce a strict new points-based visa system and time-limited work permits
· Triple the number of UK Borders Agency staff engaged in controlling immigration (to 30,000)
They are really good policies.
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