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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 10:51 PM Post #1 |
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Richard Price, one of the original people on the streets for the EDL, was jailed today for three months at Aylesbury Crown Court. Pricey was orginally charged with violent disorder, to which he was pleading not guilty. Just before his trial, they offered him a Section 4 public order offence if he went guilty. The prosecution and the judge made strange comments about instructions on this case coming from "as high up in the police as is possible" and "on high". He was arrested following trouble at the Aylesbury demo, where, on crutches, he found himself next to a police cordon. During the confrontations between an inept Thames Valley Police and the EDL, Pricey claims he was punched in the face three times by a police officer, to which he reacted angrily. His reaction was apparently the basis for the charge, although he was identified and targetted on film from the moment he set foot in Aylesbury. Pricey pleaded guilty to the lesser charge, as well as the loss of his liberty for three months (he'll probably do six weeks) the judge imposed a TEN YEAR ASBO on both him and his co defendant. The basis of the ASBO prevents either of them from engaging in any EDL activity (including Internet) and from attending any demo of any kind outside of a ten mile radius of Birmingham. From my understanding, they are also banned from attending any open air demo, the judge said that if the Aylesbury demo was inside then walls would've controlled the crowd. In court the day before, the judge had questioned the validity of the ASBO in the interests of free speech, he questioned a sentence which said 'and groups with similar aims'. When asked to clarify the prosecution said that the National Front was a group of similar aims as it was racist like the EDL, but admitted that the EDL had broader objectives. The judge eventually decided to retire and consider it overnight, I would say to possibly take political and legal instruction as the next day his interest in free speech seemed to have evaporated Summing up, the judge said that both defendants travelled and joined with like minded individuals to attend "events with no purpose" (the judge was critical that the Aylesbury demonstration had no aim or purpose, no speaker, no band, not passing past a particular building, it wasn't against a war - the war on terrorism was completely ignored - and said as a result he could only conclude it was an attempt to provoke the local Muslim community) He said supporters of the EDL, like the two defendants, enjoyed the violence and went to Aylesbury to engage in public disorder. This is an example of the two-tier system. This week we have had a judge rule that an Iraqi serial offending drink driver and murderer couldn't be deported because it would contravene his human rights. Yet scant regard is paid to the human rights of Pricey and his co-defendant. Gone it would seem are the days when you did a crime, got caught, paid for it and were allowed to start with a clean slate. Where are the ASBO's for the Muslims who protested against the soldiers in Luton? They received suspended sentences, and that was after refusing to stand for and recognise the judge at their trial. Where are the ASBO's for the flag burners on 9/11? The police protected their right to free speech and to burn flags and insult the memory of the victims. Where are the ASBO's for the poppy burners? Again protected by the police to spread hatred and insult our fallen heroes. This is the two-tier system in action. One rule for them, one rule for us. Now someone has paid with his liberty, someone I know is a committed patriot, someone who actually loves this country and who was on the streets defending his community, while people like me were still talking about it. Although this case has gone largely unnoticed, it is a landmark judgement with regards to the ASBO's and no doubt they will become commonplace. Support Richard Price, support justice and EQUALITY FOR ALL, before it's too late. Make no bones about it, Richard Price is a political prisoner, a prisoner of conscience, a modern day John Bunyan. http://www.bucksherald.co.uk/news/local/judge_blasts_edl_hooligans_as_senior_member_jailed_1_2193578 |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 10:59 PM Post #2 |
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ls this why they want Tommy to go with section 4? Bastards!!! |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 11:02 PM Post #3 |
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Shocking. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 11:05 PM Post #4 |
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Found out on FB earlier and thought that you would post something on here. Don't know him personaly but met him at a local get togeather for the political debate in Birmingham earlier this year and came across as a sound guy. The prison sentance is a joke then to throw on a 10 year asbo is crazy one rule for us and another for them! The EDL needs to counter this as a whole and if not i think it's important that us Brummies get togeather and show our support! Any other EDL memeber would have got off with this but they have specifcly targeted him! |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 11:06 PM Post #5 |
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What can we do to help him? |
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| scotsguy | Dec 17 2010, 11:07 PM Post #6 |
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another champagne socialist judge,with his head up his arse!..... |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 11:08 PM Post #7 |
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Very very worrying, and quite depressing read. There should be a fund set up, a secure one, to help certain people get a good Barrister. No doubt the Judge has been worked on, making sure it was a landmark case. The whole thing just stinks. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 11:08 PM Post #8 |
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bullies bastards cowards liars etc etc etc FREE THE EDL ONE |
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| Idjut Bungmewonga | Dec 17 2010, 11:09 PM Post #9 |
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I think he needs a good lawyer to appeal the case - the 10 year ban on politics is an obvious giveaway as to the quisling state's intentions. |
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| SavageWolf | Dec 17 2010, 11:10 PM Post #10 |
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I'm fcuking disgusted withthe judge, he is soposed to uphold justice it makes mensick thing have to change |
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| infidel 9755 | Dec 17 2010, 11:10 PM Post #11 |
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i agree, something needs to be done even if it is a show of support. |
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| williamdegriffin | Dec 17 2010, 11:13 PM Post #12 |
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whens the appeal ? maybe a demo at the court house with that public building as our focus . with a band and some speakers . Edited by williamdegriffin, Dec 17 2010, 11:15 PM.
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This land is mine and as such respect me and my ways for my tolerance only goes so far william de griffin REGAIN THE CHURCH REMOVE ISLAM FROM THE UK AND EUROPE. | |
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| brummiebluenose | Dec 17 2010, 11:16 PM Post #13 |
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fcuking joke they think lets lock them up to shut them up not E E E EDL |
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| scotsguy | Dec 17 2010, 11:17 PM Post #14 |
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id appeal....on being called a racist!...prove it! |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 11:22 PM Post #15 |
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It's a travesty...where are his human rights? |
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| Nell_Angel | Dec 17 2010, 11:31 PM Post #16 |
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Seconded. There has to be a fund for appeals etc. Else no-one will be willing to go.. That's what they want. Also an expert lawyer on retainer? I don't suppose we have any here?? Christians have a Christian legal centre in London that helps persecuted Christians... But judicial system is kicking all their cases straight in the cr@tch ![]() This all smells Appeal essential else there but for the will of God go we, all of us |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 11:34 PM Post #17 |
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What the judge said:
Locals rights over Pricey's rights? So how come they never deported that ilegal immigrant who was caught plotting terrorism in our country because he had rights? What happend to our rights of remaining safe by getting rid of him!
Freedom of speech in this country allows us to protest, if we just turned up for violence and wanting a reaction we would go to Birmingham every month! !!!!! |
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| U.B.A. | Dec 17 2010, 11:35 PM Post #18 |
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These judges, do-gooders, apologists and appeasers MUST be dealt with immediately come the revolution. New brooms sweep clean...we can't let these people get away with it after the civil war, we need to get rid of them for good so they can't poison our future any more. They can go and live with the islamists and other assorted cranks they seem so fond of. |
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| ScrewSociety | Dec 17 2010, 11:37 PM Post #19 |
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We can we do to help and show our support??? fcuk this tyrannical nonsense. |
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| aluman | Dec 17 2010, 11:41 PM Post #20 |
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good luck pal and its a fcukin joke |
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| Wigone | Dec 17 2010, 11:43 PM Post #21 |
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I always include civil law insurance on my house policy, could we not as EDL members get group insurance for things such as these to help with our cases. Just a thought. |
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They don't like it up 'em. Don't tell them your name Pike. | |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 11:47 PM Post #22 |
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Will be getting his address shortly mate so people can write to him and show him their support, and send in a small postal order for his canteen if they so wish. Secondly people can publicise this case and Pricey's plight. He is one in a long line of people who have been brave enough to stand up to defend their community and lost their liberty as a result, surely civil liberties groups will see the long term ramifications of these ASBO's |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 11:50 PM Post #23 |
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The judiciary drive a coach and horses through his Human Rights and no one in authority bats an eyelid, it's criminal. |
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| jojo edl angel | Dec 17 2010, 11:54 PM Post #24 |
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Residents in & visitors to towns such as Aylesbury have rights too - the EDL had the right to protest too but the outcome is a disgusting injustice The court heard that police were forced to spend around 350,000 on a huge operation - we don't come cheap but hell we're worth it!
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 12:00 AM Post #25 |
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I'm shocked. Really shocked. Not only is the sentance a travesty of justice but the judge didn't seem to know WTF he was talking about! From reading the judge's remarks, he had no idea why Pricey was there in the first place, so wwhat other facts have been onitted in his considerations? I smell a distinct stich-up over this. I smells rotten. Not only is he paying a price for being a victim of an attack but he's being made an example of by the state which wants to silence him for a very long time indeed. I hope he's able to appeal and, if he does, I'll contribute to his case (I can only afford a little but many 'littles' will mount up) to fight this injustice. It is my firm opinion that, given what I have read here of the judge (no capital 'j' deserved) he is not fit to hold office and ought t be brought to account for his dicisions on this case. I'm so disgusted. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 12:08 AM Post #26 |
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i was with them on the day in aylesbury,everything was fine until the bully boy tactics of the police kicked in...i would of done the same as pricey did after what they did to him,the poor fcuker was hobbling about on crutches and the old bill still attacked him |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 12:10 AM Post #27 |
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Not sure if he would approve to his name being in my sig below my Blues flag but i'm sure he will understand
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 12:11 AM Post #28 |
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He wouldn't mind mate, he is EDL first and foremost and football doesn't come into it for him (and a lot of other people) anymore |
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| The Swine | Dec 18 2010, 12:20 AM Post #29 |
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Hmm.....I wonder if this Judge has heard of the name Germaine Lindsay.For his information he was the nice chap who blew himself up on the tube and killed 26 innocent people on 7th July 2005.He came from Aylesbury.The EDL wasn't in Aylesbury to fight the police but was there because the town has a problem with Islamic extremism and the authorites are doing next to nothing about it. That information alone would be enough to make any normal person realise why the EDL protested in Aylesbury. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 12:22 AM Post #30 |
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That's a very good point and should be brought up in his defence. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 12:25 AM Post #31 |
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One of the Glasgow Airport terrorists was also from Aylesbury mate |
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| Nell_Angel | Dec 18 2010, 12:55 AM Post #32 |
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What about getting a quality journo to really get their teeth into edl... talk to us on here if they want and feature this case??? As well as appeal of course. How about Melanie Phillips who wrote this: " the rational anxieties of millions about mass immigration or militant Islam destroying the culture of the country are held merely to demonstrate that ordinary people are racist bigots or Islamophobes" In the Spectator Link: http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/6273423/part_4/i-think-therefore-im-guilty.thtml Quality article |
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| tobias malachi | Dec 18 2010, 01:12 AM Post #33 |
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The judge must have been got at, and I should think there is a strong case For human rights so maybe google human rites groups may find one that will give free advice. |
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| easyt | Dec 18 2010, 01:23 AM Post #34 |
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this ^^^^ for a judge to make that statement in court he should show proof this guy needs to get his apeal in fast and get a good breif your both called melanie do you know each other
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 01:26 AM Post #35 |
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This just makes people more angry and determined. To any left-wing/anarchist pricks reading this, if you're gloating about this it is in vain, sh1te like this will be used against you very soon also. |
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| Nell_Angel | Dec 18 2010, 01:33 AM Post #36 |
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Narp I came across her here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/links.html Mods: Does does edl have a press office(r)? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 01:34 AM Post #37 |
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http://www.wirednews.us/news.php/116570-Travel-ban-for-English-Defence-League-Birmingham-men
Hopefully it prevents the violence from the police also Mr Haworth.
Are you in the UAF PC (fcuk knows how) Ellis? |
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| yuuup | Dec 18 2010, 03:02 AM Post #38 |
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Disgraceful but not shocking. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 03:20 AM Post #39 |
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No, SHOCKING. The judge is a disgrace. The politics behind this case are shocking. The sentance is shocking. The unprovoked attack by the police officer on Pricey was shocking. The pecedent this sets is shocking. The blatant ignorance of the judge is shocking. |
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| squarepeg | Dec 18 2010, 06:12 AM Post #40 |
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Reading between the lines here it seems the Judge has come under some heavy pressure to pursue a strategy of using ASBOs to deny the EDL basic human rights. Freedom of assembly, and freedom of expression being two of these. I wasn't witness to what Pricey did, or had done to him, so for the sake of argument I'm going to assume he was a very naughty boy. Even then, the description of the EDL, and the ban on contact, especially the internet ban are all outrageous, and expect they would provide grounds for appeal. Now for the reading between the lines, guessing, bit. What would a Judge under pressure do in a case like this. I suspect they would passively resist the pressure. They'd do what they were told, but set up the grounds for appeal. They might also drop helpful hints like, speakers, bands, and buildings. Right that's the considered bit of my post done. Pricey, you've done your bit mate, your due your 72 virgins on release. Since, I don't have the virgins available expect a small postal order, any advice on appropriate amounts for said postal order would be appreciated. |
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| RMB | Dec 18 2010, 06:23 AM Post #41 |
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| brawlad | Dec 18 2010, 08:19 AM Post #42 |
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Shocking, but not surprising! I fear we will be hearing many more cases like this. In so far as the edl is being successful, the ruling elite will use all the powers available to it to crush it, & it has many powers at its disposal, one of the most effective will be intimidation by the law, persecuting individuals pour encourage les autres! I guess actions so far have been limited only because - (1) theyre waiting to see if edl support wanes, (2) the police & intelligence services are building up data on activists. Wont be long now before a massive attack is launched against as many activists as theyve identified! Weve been warned! Whats to be done, i havent a clue. We need lots of money, a dedicated team of lawyers ... Dream on! |
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| Popper | Dec 18 2010, 10:46 AM Post #43 |
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Now is the time to really think of the Establishment threat to the EDL. We know that the Media is against us and this case -and the one in Reading- will highlight that the judiciary are not our friends either. Several years ago there was another single issue grassroots movement that was viciously destroyed by the establishment. Fathers For Justice. A story was concocted that several of its members were planning to kidnap Tony Blairs son. This is the kind of thing that we really need to be aware of. The establishment hates us and wants to destroy us. As seen in Iraq, insurgencies are very difficult to deal with. There was no central command to the forces fighting the US and ourselves. They didn't have to have central planning or control. The insurgents had one goal, to get us out. Combating insurgencies is like the game where you use a hammer to mallet a mole that pops up from a different hole. The State is not your friend. MI5 would have infiltratrated us already. Expect them to do something very soon. |
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| ScrewSociety | Dec 18 2010, 10:49 AM Post #44 |
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The best thing I read all day Edited by ScrewSociety, Dec 18 2010, 10:49 AM.
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| jmhoufton | Dec 18 2010, 10:55 AM Post #45 |
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Freedom of speech here in the UK? what freedom of speech? it's okay for Muslim extremists to get away with protests against us but when the EDL protest then they're deemed as wicked by the media! as for judges, well they're now products of a corrupt system. |
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| tobias malachi | Dec 18 2010, 11:02 AM Post #46 |
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He could try Human Rites Watch they have a London office Pentonville Rd I believe. As I think the asbo is a breach of his human rites, Google should reach them. Plus they are international so our government cant bully them |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 11:07 AM Post #47 |
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Thank you for the advice Tobias. squarepeg - excellent post |
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| 4MERLINS | Dec 18 2010, 12:25 PM Post #48 |
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IM BEHIND U PRICEY. WE WHAT CAN WE DO?? THGE CASE NEEDS HIGHLIGHTING TO HIS LOCAL MP?? Edited by 4MERLINS, Dec 18 2010, 12:26 PM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 12:30 PM Post #49 |
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We can write to our own MPs to start with and later, Villa is putting an address where we can send messages of support to Pricey. I'm sure others will be along with some more ideas. ![]() Find your MP here: http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/ |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 01:08 PM Post #50 |
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Can he appeal against this given that he has plead guilty? Either way I wouldn't take a ten year asbo lying down and would fight it and even repeatedly breach it. It certainly goes against a persons right to free assembly and EDL is not an illegal movement, a pain in the arse maybe but not illegal and certainly not racist as has been asserted by that twat of a judge. What happens if within those ten years the EDL become a legitimate political party? Would he still be banned? Where are we ffs, Burma? Ten year asbo's are bollocks and need challenging as they definitely infringe on a persons 'human rights'. I would gladly put my hand in my pocket to raise funds for a legal challenge to this. Unless of course he would be entitled to legal aid? Then again he's not an illegal immigrant is he?
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