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| Letter fro a Blackburn Muslim | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 17 2010, 04:18 PM (361 Views) | |
| Idjut Bungmewonga | Dec 17 2010, 04:18 PM Post #1 |
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Here is an interesting letter from a Muslim from Blackburn written to the new National Secular Society e-newsletter ; From Sajid (full name and address supplied): I've just caught up with a Panorama programme on YouTube about the Muslim community becoming more and more insular and divisive – in Blackburn. These are the links: Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZuzRSYSsqo Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epbbEqvXOU8 Part 3.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TQ3IrhY6dc This is a good programme to also highlight the religious community that I escaped from. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I use the word 'escape'. So, it gives you a good picture of my own background, where I come from, the people that reside there, and the way it's changing – for the worse. It's what I always talk about; the more 'cultural' the community becomes, the more 'religious' the community becomes, without reaching out to the wider community on mutual understanding, this 'multiculturalism' will soon transform into something nasty and dangerous. I'm surprised the local MP Jack Straw can't see the potential problems that may arise. After all, he's been the MP for Blackburn since 1979. Or maybe that's the problem: if someone new is elected, they might see the situation with a fresh perspective... if they're not Muslim though! The Muslim march scares me somewhat. Apart from this being a divisive event, in a community that could do without this kind of thing, the marchers create an atmosphere where the whole community is supposed to act in the same way they do. You know, going more deeply into faith, and expecting others to follow suit. Any behaviour counter to this is seen as heretical. It's all spiralling into a doctrinal cage, which, by the looks of it, Blackburn is becoming (if it isn't already). This was an interesting quote by the Canon of Blackburn Cathedral, Chris Chivers: "I've previously worked in Cape Town in South Africa, which is emerging from an apartheid history, which is of course, deeply divided. I can honestly say I have never lived or worked in such a segregated community as this". I always maintain: I've got no problem with religion: one can believe what one chooses to. And they have every right to do this, but on the condition of fair-mindedness and equality. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be the case. I have changed so much that I just cannot identify with Blackburn's Muslim community, the people, or the cause. Just how is it that I can see things so differently, even from people who are older than me, (supposedly) more wise than me, and (supposedly) more intelligent than me? All in all, this programme is a bit upsetting for me. It's just sad to see the town where I grew up, and have fond memories of, being turned into something I just don't recognise. Edited by Idjut Bungmewonga, Dec 17 2010, 04:23 PM.
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| Winston Churchill on Islam ; ' The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.... | |
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| SavageWolf | Dec 17 2010, 04:23 PM Post #2 |
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I do think the Muslim population are going One ore two ways The fist bein forced deeper into the faith and becoming more extream And the other pulling away and releasing what the faith beleves in is wrong and won't nothin more to do with it |
| "This is a sad day for all of us, and to none is it sadder than to me. Everything that I have worked for, everything that I have believed in during my public life, has crashed into ruins. There is only one thing left for me to do: That is, to devote what strength and powers I have to forwarding the victory of the cause for which we have to sacrifice so much" | |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 04:25 PM Post #3 |
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When push comes to shove though the guy that wrote this letter will stand by his muslim brothers and make no mistake. |
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| BaconBreakfast | Dec 17 2010, 04:50 PM Post #4 |
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Fatwa issued, yalla yalla yalla, JEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAD!!!!!!!! |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 04:51 PM Post #5 |
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"I'm surprised the local MP Jack Straw can't see the potential problems that may arise" From Jack Straw's point of view it's all going according to plan. He makes no secret of how much he hates the English: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/02/labour-have-deliberately-destroyed.html |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 04:54 PM Post #6 |
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You can't say that for sure. There are a couple of Muslims in the EDL. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 05:25 PM Post #7 |
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Agreed. The left and right are desperately trying to keep all muslims ("moderates" and "extremists") together, telling muslims "do not side with the EDL". We are going to have more muslims coming over to us. They will have to conceal their identities at first. But by the end of 2011, I don't think they will need to do that any more. Several of the people I know in EDL have muslim girlfriends or boyfriends. And these "muslims" know (and support) these EDL members. We are only one step away from the muslims moving from hidden support (some muslims new to EDL were on the Peterborough demo) to visible support. I know we have brave people like Abdul and Sajid, but being few they have been dismissed as anomalous. When it comes to there being 20 or 30 visible muslims in EDL then it is a whole new ball-game. For the 40% of muslims who say they want sharia law, there are 60% who do not say they want that. EDL is going to give these muslims a chance to break away from the fundamentalists. When I debate with muslims about the islamic slave trade and sharia law, I win. They either do not know about these things, or they are suppressing the information. When its brought out into the open the "beauty" of islam for other muslims soon looks tarnished. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 05:32 PM Post #8 |
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I hope you are right and that I am wrong, however my personal experiences with "moderate" muslims suggests that I am not. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 17 2010, 09:29 PM Post #9 |
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On the basis that there are moderates......It must be dreadful for the ones who can look back and see how drammatically changed their town has become - from a once westernised area to a place now heaving with black burqa'd bodies, long bearded men in robes, walking the streets (something resembling a ghetto of radicalism only seen in other parts of World) - children not being allowed to be children, teenagers not being allowed to be teenagers (stalked by the foot soldiers of the local Imam if they show signs of behaving or wearing westernised clothing), women being oppressed, a falsely suppressed and brainwashed society . Daunting, for any decent and sane human being to witness I should think, no matter what religion he or she is. Worse still for the ones who can not escape it. |
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