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Class matters: fcuk the UAF
Topic Started: Dec 16 2010, 08:16 PM (540 Views)
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Now that we have a good anti-Islamist movement I think we need to get to the heart of the mater; Class.

The UAF hark on about class but for the most part they're middle class twerps who'll end up being our bosses.

People around me are being fcuked over by the cuts....it looks like it's only going to get worse. The Tories do not represent me, my family or my friends. Labour are sh1t. Lib-dems are yellow belly cnuts.

As far as I see it the wealthy are getting off lightly and making us pick up the pieces. The students have made a mockery of what should be our movement. Save our forces, save our services!

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Hey, those of us who are lower-middle class are getting fcuked over too, at the end of the day it's only the aristocracy and the upper-middle class who escape unscathed time and time again.
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Have to agree with Neveranynamesleft on this one. The lower middle classes are the new working class. In fact, if you think about it, lower middle class people are generally working class people done good.
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I know mate, no disrespect meant.

We have a movement that's got potential to stick up for our forces, our NHS, our police and our fire fighters.

I've got little time for students but I want my kids to have the choice of getting a good education according to their ability rather than how well I do financially in the next few years.

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Dec 16 2010, 08:28 PM
Have to agree with Neveranynamesleft on this one. The lower middle classes are the new working class. In fact, if you think about it, lower middle class people are generally working class people done good.
That's exactly it. My dad came from a poor working class Midlands family, left school at 15 with 3 o levels, did an apprenticeship, became a printer, got some money together, wen to evening classes and got A levels, then went through uni. He's a really hard working bloke from a disadvantaged background, but he's managed to make his way up, but now people like him might not be able to do the same what with uni fees rising, cuts to secondary and primary schools and no jobs going.
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with the 2 jokers we've got in charge now we're all screwed, hopefully they fall out soon and we can take to the polls again.
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I'm lower middle class/middle class... Work for every fracking penny too. My parents were farmers and I think I got the whole families brains!

Class is becoming less and less important IMO. What is more impotent is "Sense of entitlement". This is where some of our society regardless of what "class" they are in think everything should be free and now.

You see it from many types, I want it all and I want it now and I'm not willing to pay or work for it ether. This (I believe) is a manifestation of the "big brother" TV culture we now live in... Its always some one else fault!

Now what is interesting is; many EDL members are what you would consider the opposite of that. In that they are willing to work, pay there taxes and do what is necessary to better there life.

Anyhow, what do you think?
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Dec 16 2010, 08:16 PM
Now that we have a good anti-Islamist movement I think we need to get to the heart of the mater; Class.

The UAF hark on about class but for the most part they're middle class twerps who'll end up being our bosses.

People around me are being fcuked over by the cuts....it looks like it's only going to get worse. The Tories do not represent me, my family or my friends. Labour are sh1t. Lib-dems are yellow belly cnuts.

As far as I see it the wealthy are getting off lightly and making us pick up the pieces. The students have made a mockery of what should be our movement. Save our forces, save our services!

Defiantly, even with 'UAF approved' communism the poor still seem to end up getting fcuked, a slightly new soloution needs to be found for the problem
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Dec 16 2010, 08:21 PM
Hey, those of us who are lower-middle class are getting fcuked over too, at the end of the day it's only the aristocracy and the upper-middle class who escape unscathed time and time again.
The aristocracy? This is the 21st century mate, the aristocracy is defunct.
Class is THE issue in all of this, but not along the traditional class lines. We have new classes now and a new ruling class, of which the aristocracy are not a part
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Dec 16 2010, 09:09 PM
The aristocracy? This is the 21st century mate, the aristocracy is defunct.
Class is THE issue in all of this, but not along the traditional class lines. We have new classes now and a new ruling class, of which the aristocracy are not a part
Yeah tell that to all the politicians who are descended from landed gentry.
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Dec 16 2010, 09:49 PM
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Dec 16 2010, 09:09 PM
The aristocracy? This is the 21st century mate, the aristocracy is defunct.
Class is THE issue in all of this, but not along the traditional class lines. We have new classes now and a new ruling class, of which the aristocracy are not a part
Yeah tell that to all the politicians who are descended from landed gentry.
Very few now in comparison to 60s. Name some.....

I'll start you off with Nicholas Soames....
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do you not think the class system is the same as ever bar the addition of an "underclass"?
i mean ppl who dont want to work and milk the system?
landed gentry are in the lords.
what percentage of current and shadow cabinet went to private school?
and then onto camb/oxford etc?
if you had 3 kids could you send them all to private school?
where are all the working class ppl in the labour party?
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Dec 16 2010, 09:53 PM
do you not think the class system is the same as ever bar the addition of an "underclass"?
i mean ppl who dont want to work and milk the system?
I think you mean the abandoned working class who have been turned into a dependant underclass.
The same people do not rule us anymore, the upper middle class have taken their place and become the political class. The working and upper classes used to be inter-dependant, both are now surplus to requirements
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hmmmmmmmmmmmm you might have a point there
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Dec 16 2010, 08:42 PM
with the 2 jokers we've got in charge now we're all screwed, hopefully they fall out soon and we can take to the polls again.
Yea but vote for WHO? The parties that we would love to see in power (UKIP, English democrats etc etc) just don't seem to get enough votes. People in this country have been institutionalized into thinking there are only TWO parties that can lead the country.
Labour or Tories.

Basically we're fcuked!
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Dec 16 2010, 09:05 PM
Defiantly, even with 'UAF approved' communism the poor still seem to end up getting fcuked, a slightly new soloution needs to be found for the problem
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Dec 17 2010, 01:25 AM
Basically we're fcuked!
No, we're not :)

EDL is the biggest change to politics in Britain for at least 50 years, and possibly 150 years.

During WW2 they discussed in Parliament giving "the people" a welfare state to stave off revolution. And then they fcuked that with mass immigration in general, and with islamisation in particular.

The revolution may yet be in the offing.
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Half the so called "working class" have never had a fcuking job. Dole scrounging scumbags are what is fcuking this country over, along with massive taxes to pay for education and health services that deliver truely dreadful value for money.
I pay FAR FAR FAR too much tax for what I get back and I'm pretty sick of people screaming for more of my hard earned. I started work at 0800 yesterday and finished at 0100 today. Why the hell should I hand over more money to people who do fcuk all.
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Dec 17 2010, 03:16 AM
Half the so called "working class" have never had a fcuking job. Dole scrounging scumbags are what is fcuking this country over, along with massive taxes to pay for education and health services that deliver truely dreadful value for money.
I pay FAR FAR FAR too much tax for what I get back and I'm pretty sick of people screaming for more of my hard earned. I started work at 0800 yesterday and finished at 0100 today. Why the hell should I hand over more money to people who do fcuk all.
Well said mate. EDL I hope is not about class as I understood Blair/brown outlawed it, I have no time for anyone that spouts I'm working class but has never actually worked ;)
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Half the so called "working class" have never had a fcuking job. Dole scrounging scumbags are what is fcuking this country over, along with massive taxes to pay for education and health services that deliver truely dreadful value for money.
I pay FAR FAR FAR too much tax for what I get back and I'm pretty sick of people screaming for more of my hard earned. I started work at 0800 yesterday and finished at 0100 today. Why the hell should I hand over more money to people who do fcuk all.
The vast majority of the people of this country are working class. The EDL are overwhelmingly working class. Most will be highly offended about your disgusting words that we do not work and are scrouger. So, fcuk off .

We work hard for longer hours for less of a share of the work we actually do. The middle and upper class hate us. They stereotype us, like people used to about blacks. (we're stupid, over sexed, etc).

You views have no place in the EDL.
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gotta say i dont agree with the welfare state,to many people rely on it instead of finding a job,i go college and all this ema, half of them dont use it for college just by new clothes every week,alot of people in this country who say there working class arent really working class there doley class,due to labours welfare state,its wrecked the country,everyones lazy now and has no work ethic.
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Dec 16 2010, 08:38 PM
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Dec 16 2010, 08:28 PM
Have to agree with Neveranynamesleft on this one. The lower middle classes are the new working class. In fact, if you think about it, lower middle class people are generally working class people done good.
That's exactly it. My dad came from a poor working class Midlands family, left school at 15 with 3 o levels, did an apprenticeship, became a printer, got some money together, wen to evening classes and got A levels, then went through uni. He's a really hard working bloke from a disadvantaged background, but he's managed to make his way up, but now people like him might not be able to do the same what with uni fees rising, cuts to secondary and primary schools and no jobs going.
Your Dad (and mine) are exactly the sort of people that some of these so called class warriors look down on. There seems to be an inbuilt hatred of anyone who makes something of themsevles and betters their life. IMO everybody should aspire to improve themselves.
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Dec 17 2010, 04:01 AM
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Dec 17 2010, 03:16 AM
Half the so called "working class" have never had a fcuking job. Dole scrounging scumbags are what is fcuking this country over, along with massive taxes to pay for education and health services that deliver truely dreadful value for money.
I pay FAR FAR FAR too much tax for what I get back and I'm pretty sick of people screaming for more of my hard earned. I started work at 0800 yesterday and finished at 0100 today. Why the hell should I hand over more money to people who do fcuk all.
Well said mate. EDL I hope is not about class as I understood Blair/brown outlawed it, I have no time for anyone that spouts I'm working class but has never actually worked ;)
Fully agree. There is a difference between the benefit scrounging underclass and working class and they should not be lumped together. I'm sick of this attitude in the press and by politicans that we should continuoulsy give these scroungers more and more handouts as if they are 'vulnerable' 'victims'.
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Dec 17 2010, 04:57 AM
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my dad never went uni or any think like that no gcses,joined marines at 17 when he left he set up a security firm,done well for himself. remember it aint about what you no its who you no.
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Read "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill, first published in 1937, inspired by a Scottish-American businessman called Andrew Carnegie.

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Cheers for that I'm gonna order it. I just read "Become a key person of influence" by Daniel Priestley
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Dec 17 2010, 02:39 AM
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Basically we're fcuked!
No, we're not :)

EDL is the biggest change to politics in Britain for at least 50 years, and possibly 150 years.

During WW2 they discussed in Parliament giving "the people" a welfare state to stave off revolution. And then they fcuked that with mass immigration in general, and with islamisation in particular.

The revolution may yet be in the offing.
we are only fckued if you believe we are,there has never been an organisation like the EDL that started from nothing and has blossomed as it has in so short a time,do you not see the potential of the EDL, can you not see the various directions it can branch out into,can you not feel the rising discontent of the british people and their growing need for someone to stand up for them to represent them,you must not go back to the bad old days when weak minded brits would say "ITS TO LATE","WHAT CAN I DO",if you are on our side then banish pessimism from your mind because its a disease like apathy and indifference,remember it dosent matter what those liars,thieves,anti-british racists and traitors at westminster say things are going to get a damn site worse soon and we must be there as an option especially for our young men,the EDL has enormous potential and its up to us who are already on board not just to keep the faith but to spread it wherever we go,never give in never surrender.
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Dec 16 2010, 08:16 PM
Now that we have a good anti-Islamist movement I think we need to get to the heart of the mater; Class.

The UAF hark on about class but for the most part they're middle class twerps who'll end up being our bosses.

People around me are being fcuked over by the cuts....it looks like it's only going to get worse. The Tories do not represent me, my family or my friends. Labour are sh1t. Lib-dems are yellow belly cnuts.

As far as I see it the wealthy are getting off lightly and making us pick up the pieces. The students have made a mockery of what should be our movement. Save our forces, save our services!

I won´t get involved in this only to say, (as I have said so many times before) do not slag all the middle class off please. We might be slow to wake up as a group, but we are not all "twerps". You do us a great injustice when you make such sweeping statements.

I agree that a lot of my class are misguided twats with stupid and self destructive ideas, but the working classes are not innocent either.

We work together or we fall divided.
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Read "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill, first published in 1937, inspired by a Scottish-American businessman called Andrew Carnegie.

That book will change your life.
Cheers for that I'm gonna order it. I just read "Become a key person of influence" by Daniel Priestley
http://www.4shared.com/get/55zWnwPC/Napoleon_Hill_-_Think_and_Grow.html
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Cheers for that I'm gonna order it. I just read "Become a key person of influence" by Daniel Priestley
Three books I strongly recommend: "Think and Grow Rich", "The Art of War", "Alan Sugar Autobiography" (although probably not as good as this guy thought before the cops turned up at Crawley Library a few days ago http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/15/alan_sugar_autobiography_pleasure
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Half the so called "working class" have never had a fcuking job. Dole scrounging scumbags are what is fcuking this country over, along with massive taxes to pay for education and health services that deliver truely dreadful value for money.
I pay FAR FAR FAR too much tax for what I get back and I'm pretty sick of people screaming for more of my hard earned. I started work at 0800 yesterday and finished at 0100 today. Why the hell should I hand over more money to people who do fcuk all.
The vast majority of the people of this country are working class. The EDL are overwhelmingly working class. Most will be highly offended about your disgusting words that we do not work and are scrouger. So, fcuk off .

We work hard for longer hours for less of a share of the work we actually do. The middle and upper class hate us. They stereotype us, like people used to about blacks. (we're stupid, over sexed, etc).

You views have no place in the EDL.
I totally agree. I've met hundreds of EDL people. And with almost all of them, I hear of problems of them getting to certain demos because of being at work. A small fraction of them are unemployed - in my experience definitely less than 10%.

Let's define the middle-class as those with a professional occupation (for the sake of this argument: teacher, lawyer, journalist, accountant, dentist, etc), and a degree. Then the vast majority of our society are not middle class, quite simply because the vast majority do not have university degrees.

The ONS figures for 2003 show that about 25% of the adult population have degrees or equivalents.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=7743

Not all those people with such qualifications will be "middle class" - some will come from working-class backgrounds, have degrees, and be doing non-professional jobs (like my nephew). With his lack of financial means, his degree from a shed in a field, his cultural interests, his speech patterns, and his demeanour, no-one would ever say he was middle-class or had a professional career. (We see in the last few years the creation of unpaid "internships", used by the professions and the middle-class parents to keep working-class graduates out of the professions.)

So, with at least 75% of our population being working-class, if "half of them have never had a fcuking job" as this idiot states, then we'd have unemployment figures approaching 40%, not the 8 to 10% we have. Furthermore, as The Telegraph revealed recently, "Half of Muslim men and three quarters of Muslim women are unemployed."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8054403/Britains-coping-classes-at-breaking-point.html

And yes, class does matter. The UAF are communists, they claim to be fighting for the working class. Yet all they are fighting for is for is the imposition of sharia law and dictatorship. And where do they draw their people from for counter-EDL demos? University students, who are mostly destined to become middle class (or are trying to become middle class).

Those of us who have actually met hundreds of people in EDL know that EDL is more than 75% working-class (I'd say it is closer to 99% working class). So to accuse half the working-class of being benefit scroungers is to insult the EDL.

The lifetime benefit scroungers are a sub-set of the working class, and from The Telegraph's statement, it looks like the white working class are under-represented in that group. And the working-class are over-represented in EDL.
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Until August 1914 a sensible, law-abiding Englishman could pass through life and hardly notice the existence of the state, beyond the post office and the policeman. He could live where he liked and as he liked. He had no official number or identity card.... roadly speaking, the state acted only to help those who could not help themselves. It left the adult citizen alone.

The most persecuted minority in this country is the individual. There is only one class "The enemy class" The enemy class exists in and around the public sector. It comprises the great majority of those administrators, lawyers, experts, educators and media people whose living is connected with the State. Its leading members are people like Anthony Giddens, Greg Dyke, Elspeth Howe, Mary Warnock, Polly Toynbee, Peter Mandelson, and others. They articulate and advance the interests of perhaps a million other people—from television producers and heads of executive agencies, down through the university lecturers and social workers and white collar bureaucrats, to the lowest grades of civil servant and local government officer. Add to the list all the racism awareness and anti-aids consultants and the workers in those non-government organisations that receive money and status from or via the State.

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