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| General Pershing's method of pacifying Islam in the Philipines; Might work in Sweden | |
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| Fritz | Dec 16 2010, 12:10 AM Post #1 |
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"In the years preceding World War I, General Pershing was commander of the American forces in the Philippines. The small Moslem community on the island nation began to wreak havoc against the Philippine government and American forces. The American troops captured a large group of these terrorists. During the interrogation by the Military Court, the fanatics were heard to repeatedly shout, 'Allah Achbar! Allah Achbar! Jihad! The Philippines are the lands of Islam!' "Pershing ordered the Amalekites executed one by one in the presence of the whole group. (The author is referring to the prophecy in the Bible that the Amalekites would be a very vicious and war-like people down through history.) Moslems will not eat pork believing that no one could enter Paradise if there is even the smallest amount of swine flesh in their bodies. Knowing this, the General first ordered the firing squad to shoot large hogs. After they skinned the swine, the executioners rolled their bullets in pork fat and passed fat through the barrels of their rifles while the condemned watched. As each condemned terrorist was executed, his corpse was wrapped in hog's skin and buried on the spot. The entrails of the swine were dumped over the corpse before the grave was covered. Three of the convicted Amalekites were released to take the news back to their Islamic Communities. That ended the Islamic Jihad in the Philippines. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 16 2010, 12:13 AM Post #2 |
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...and shove a Cumberland sausage up their arses. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 16 2010, 12:15 AM Post #3 |
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interesting stuff mate |
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| Deleted User | Dec 16 2010, 12:16 AM Post #4 |
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/779660/posts This technique has been reported as being used recently. I'm not sure if they actually did it though. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 16 2010, 12:35 AM Post #5 |
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Israel police may use pig fat to stop attacks on buses February 13, 2004 Israeli police have come up with plans to put bags of pig lard on buses in a bid to deter Palestinian militants from carrying out suicide attacks. Rabbinical authorities have given their approval to the idea on the grounds that it could be a life-saving measure, even though pigs are considered impure by Jews as well as Muslims. Authorities believe the plan could discourage Palestinians from carrying out attacks as pieces of their exploded body could come into contact with the pig fat, prejudicing their chances of entering paradise. The Ma'ariv daily says the rabbinical dispensation could mean that security forces also hang bags of lard in shopping malls and schools. Public buses have been a favourite target for Palestinian suicide bombers since the start of the intifada in September 2000. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/12/1076548157145.html |
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| Deleted User | Dec 16 2010, 03:04 AM Post #6 |
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No it didn't. This story is a complete myth and is not supported by any evidence whatsoever. |
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| Fritz | Dec 16 2010, 08:00 AM Post #7 |
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This story was around since before the internet was generally available and it's refutation is probably another example of Taqiyya |
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| General Pershing | Dec 16 2010, 09:37 AM Post #8 |
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Hence my user name
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| Deleted User | Dec 16 2010, 03:12 PM Post #9 |
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Probably is not really good enough; let's not devalue the term 'taqiyya' as our opponents have with 'racist'? Please show us some evidence that this actually happened. |
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| Fritz | Dec 16 2010, 03:17 PM Post #10 |
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Are you are giving the Islamists the benefit of the doubt? Taqiyya is not just a method of lying, it is also a method spreading doubt and dissent amongst your enemies Let the Islamsists prove their point |
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| Deleted User | Dec 16 2010, 03:26 PM Post #11 |
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Certainly not, but it looks bad on us to be posting falsehood and unsubstantiated myths. Who is supposed to be the alleged purveyor of taqiyya in this 'Pershing story' instance? When trying to Prove the Positive of something, it's not the job of the Islamists to prove it's negation, the Onus is on you to prove this story is true. |
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| stevenp | Dec 16 2010, 04:45 PM Post #12 |
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jeeeez calm down people i thought i was a lovely story |
| "THEY CALL ME THE PUPET BOY BUT IM THE ONE PULLING THE STRINGS" GURAMIT SINGH | |
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| Fritz | Dec 16 2010, 08:16 PM Post #13 |
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Vainites |
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| General Pershing | Dec 16 2010, 08:26 PM Post #14 |
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I don't care if it's a true story. I liked it so much I used it for my ID. I'd like to think it's a true story. It should be! |
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| Deleted User | Dec 16 2010, 09:12 PM Post #15 |
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I agree with you 100% Peter |
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| Fritz | Dec 16 2010, 10:44 PM Post #16 |
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For me To believe what you are saying, I would have to believe that Muslims do not have the resources and volunteers to put doubt in the mind of open minded individuals of something muslims are ashamed of. ....And I do Not Taqiyya is a structured lying technique brought up to date by the Internet Respectfully, We will have to agree to disagree Edited by Fritz, Dec 16 2010, 10:45 PM.
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| shiva2 | Dec 17 2010, 07:01 PM Post #17 |
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So you don,t care for the truth It is very sad that Pershings reputation is being dragged through the dirt because someone does not care for the truth and believes in a widespread that rumor has been put out defaming Pershing,s character....I read this rumor many times since 2002, and it is still going around. The funny thing is, it was in fact Pershing who FORBID and PROHIBITED his men to do such acts...and he mentioned he would press charges against any of his men who was found committing such acts. Pershing didnt become well respected and made a Datu ( title for tribal chief and monarchs in the Philippines) throughout the southern islands for nothing. He the first, and probably the only foreigner ever given this title. If any of you read the life of Pershing, you would understand his means and purpose on dealing with people...and you would later understand he would never do such acts. In his reports he mentions his respect for these Moros warriors...he actually admired them. Cant believe people would associate such atrocities with one of Americas greatest heroes. It was NOT Pershing who did these acts, but Colonel Rodgers. Col Rodgers was also the Gov of Jolo. For the truth you should read Jungle Patrol, or Swish of the Kris by Vic Hurley Jungle Patrol Chap 17 In 1911, as attempts were made to disarm the Mohammedans, cotta warfare began to flame anew and the juramentados redoubled their efforts to get to close grips with the American soldiers. Jolo, the Moro capital, in American hands, was almost under a state of siege. It was under constant attack on the part of individual fanatics. One Moro penetrated the city walls through a drain and killed seven soldiers in the streets of Jolo before he was dropped by volley fire of the troops. For trading purposes, 100 Moros were allowed within the city wall at one time. They were disarmed and searched at the gates by squads of soldiers, and all guard posts mounted four sentries. With all of these precautions, juramentados succeeded in running their crazed course at dreadful, frequent intervals. It was Colonel Alexander Rodgers of the 6th Cavalry who accomplished by taking advantage of religious prejudice what the bayonets and Krags had been unable to accomplish. Rodgers inaugurated a system of burying all dead juramentados in a common grave with the carcasses of slaughtered pigs. The Mohammedan religion forbids contact with pork; and this relatively simple device resulted in the withdrawal of juramentados to sections not containing a Rodgers. Other officers took up the principle, adding new refinements to make it additionally unattractive to the Moros. In some sections the Moro juramentado was beheaded after death and the head sewn inside the carcass of a pig. And so the rite of running juramentado, at least semi-religious in character, ceased to be in Sulu. The last cases of this religious mania occurred in the early decades of the century. The juramentados were replaced by the amucks. .. who were simply homicidal maniacs with no religious significance attaching to their acts. ![]() Swish of the Kris Chap 23 Not the least discouraging of the efforts against juramentados was carried on by Colonel Alexander Rodgers, Governor of Jolo. All Moros who ran juramentado were killed and laid out in the market place with slaughtered pigs placed above them. The Mohammedan abhors all contact with pork and the resulting contact of the dead juramentado with the pig neutralized the beneficial effects of the rite itself. Colonel Rodgers became known to the Moros as "The Pig," and juramentados took themselves hurriedly to other districts. And for those who would like to read more about Pershing in the Philippines here is an excellent read http://www.americanheritage.com/articles/magazine/ah/1968/5/1968_5_32.shtml |
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| shiva2 | Dec 18 2010, 07:53 AM Post #18 |
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I am bumping this I have to correct the common "myth" of pig blood. Muslims are not to "choose" pork or any by product. If however the following 3 conditions occur, allah forgives them: 1: Being forced to eat, touch, etc. 2: Having to out of necessity 3: Having no knowledge As for the Pigs fat on Israeli✡ buses Palestinian Muslims reacted with scorn to the idea, saying the soul went to paradise and was unaffected by any taint to the body. The keys to heaven are not in the hands of settlers," said Sheikh Hassan Youssef, for Hamas, whose military wing has sent dozens of suicide bombers into Israel. As for pig skins and burial in pig’s manure, Chechen terrorists Maskhadov, Basayev and so on are hardly frightened mythical intimidations. They are always ready to provide strong arguments to make their subordinates commit acts of terrorism. And they can find any muslim theologians which will help them inspire islamikaze for terrorism acts. Islamic reference books say the body of a martyr who dies for the faith is so pure that it does not need to be washed before burial, in contrast to the usual Muslim practice." Threatening to bury muslims with pigs remains is more likely to enrage them, as it defiles muslim burial rites. Also there is another side to this http://www.adl.org/PresRele/DiRaB_41/4278_41.asp |
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| U.B.A. | Dec 18 2010, 08:23 AM Post #19 |
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"As for pig skins and burial in pig’s manure, Chechen terrorists Maskhadov, Basayev and so on are hardly frightened mythical intimidations. They are always ready to provide strong arguments to make their subordinates commit acts of terrorism. And they can find any muslim theologians which will help them inspire islamikaze for terrorism acts." So we can take it you think of these people as EVIL TERRORISTS? |
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"...NOR SHALL MY SWORD SLEEP IN MY HAND." E.D.L......THE THIN RED LINE | |
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| Fritz | Dec 18 2010, 09:13 AM Post #20 |
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'If your enemy is temperamental, seek to irritate him.' Sun Tzu: Chinese war strategist 2500 years ago That our enemy is temperamental is beyond question |
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| shiva2 | Dec 18 2010, 02:00 PM Post #21 |
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As you are quoting Sun Tzu he also wrote Know your enemy
You can also take it that the Sufi terrorists I mentioned where grossly misunderstood |
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| Deleted User | Dec 18 2010, 02:30 PM Post #22 |
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I believe there are 3 places in the Koran (if my memory serves me right) where muslims are told they can consume haram food in the case of necessity. Provided they are not desirous of the food, they can eat it. Of course, it all depends on what one means by "necessity". I would say hunger is necessity; the extremists would probably say it is in times of war. Perhaps there is a hadith that qualifies this. Still, in our society we could push for a "reformed" islam that would recognise hunger as necessity. Then there's no need to provide halal meat in any establishment. Perhaps Peter or AbdulHamza could comment on this. |
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| shiva2 | Dec 18 2010, 02:49 PM Post #23 |
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The Quran 16:115 He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. The Quran 2:173 He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful. |
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| protectthehuman | Dec 18 2010, 03:06 PM Post #24 |
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Like most religious context the muslims are back tracking on thier belifes to support any given action that "may" occur. THIS is my problem,you can not expect anyone to value your belifes or religions if you want to preach your so called truths to the word yet have every possible passage to defend you if you fcuk up. You are either true to your religion or your not. As for pig blood ect,again with always having a answer. Anyone in their right mind who belives killing others will get you into this so called eternal heaven is a nutjob and should be treated as such. Anyone who preaches this mindless rabbel needs to be locked up and deported to a far away land,to live in a tiny cave out of fear. If extreamist honestly thought Islam was the answer then Im sure alot more religions would be blowing up buses,tube stations,people and preaching hate in the name of peace. Fools. |
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