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EDL Forum still full of lefties then?; EDL fakes?
Topic Started: Dec 14 2010, 09:06 PM (2,161 Views)
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Dec 14 2010, 10:21 PM

I don't think the BNP will ever escape their associations with racism, anti-semitism and homophobia. They wasted 20 years when they could have ditched those issues (which actually have nothing to do with being British and nothing to do with nationalism). They are as guilty as the other parties for the rise of islam in Britain. In fact, there are some people who think that Griffin works for MI5 and that the entire raison d'etre of the BNP was to make sure that nationalism had a bad name.


And let's not forget how Nick Griffin used to go to Libya when Gadaffy was handing out bucket loads of big $$$$ bucks... Griffin & Gadaffy
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I support EDL precisely because it is not affiliated to any political party, as I feel that no political party stands for what the people want.
They are all sleaze ridden with very sticky fingers and I'd chuck them all out if given the chance.
The EDL exists because politics have failed us all and we have taken our fight to the streets because it is the only way to fight back and the only hope we have.

EDL have done 10 times as much as any other organisation to bring the Islamization of this country to the front pages of the media and this problem is now being discussed more and more and we are being proved right in every thing we say.

There's enough room in EDL for all people, left, right or middle and no one has the right to tell other supporters that their place is in the UAF because they are a bit left.
What does being left mean, I agree in an NHS for example, in the USA they'd call me a commie, we Brits are all a bit left, free education, welfare for those who deserve it etc etc.

I feel that threads like this are a bit divisive and we do need to stay united, this fight must be won and it's far too important that we grow and stay united.

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Dec 14 2010, 09:21 PM
What's good about this forum is the people are allowed to air their views, from my personal regional experience anyone associated to the BNP are not welcome.
Being associated to BNP is not the way forward for this movement in my opinion. This is a street movement not a political one, I don't like any form of racism/homophobia that's why I hate Islamo-fascism.
I'm also anti European Union that's why I will continue to vote UKIP until the knight in shinning armour party appears. Due to their history, previous policies and the people in the charge, I could never vote BNP. I feel they are a spent force and there is too much of a stigma attached to them.
Spot on again, not ass licking :P
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Dec 20 2010, 08:33 PM
What does being left mean, I agree in an NHS for example, in the USA they'd call me a commie, we Brits are all a bit left, free education, welfare for those who deserve it etc etc.

Mate this is spot on, when you say to an American that it should be a right for their children, the future of their nation to have free Medical health care, they seriously think you are a Communist. I know someone with a kid in the States who has health care insurance but can't get get grommets (pre existing condition) done for the kid and can't afford to have it done... that is one seriously messed up system there.
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Andy Wilders
Dec 20 2010, 10:42 PM
I know someone with a kid in the States who has health care insurance but can't get get grommets (pre existing condition) done for the kid and can't afford to have it done... that is one seriously messed up system there.
I can't see why the Republicans are opposed to free health care. Why actually are they against it?
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Dec 20 2010, 10:47 PM
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Dec 20 2010, 10:42 PM
I know someone with a kid in the States who has health care insurance but can't get get grommets (pre existing condition) done for the kid and can't afford to have it done... that is one seriously messed up system there.
I can't see why the Republicans are opposed to free health care. Why actually are they against it?
It's purely to do with the rich not wanting to pay for the poor. I think a lot of peoples image of the US is badly swayed by all hte crappy american tv we watch.

America is a very economically divided country. Many people look to the US as a guide but it's a basket case of a country. I'd advise looking at the Scandinavian countries to see a system that is fairer for all.
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Dec 20 2010, 10:47 PM
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Dec 20 2010, 10:42 PM
I know someone with a kid in the States who has health care insurance but can't get get grommets (pre existing condition) done for the kid and can't afford to have it done... that is one seriously messed up system there.
I can't see why the Republicans are opposed to free health care. Why actually are they against it?
Because it could end up like the monster that is the NHS.
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Dec 20 2010, 10:47 PM
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Dec 20 2010, 10:42 PM
I know someone with a kid in the States who has health care insurance but can't get get grommets (pre existing condition) done for the kid and can't afford to have it done... that is one seriously messed up system there.
I can't see why the Republicans are opposed to free health care. Why actually are they against it?
Cost mostly. The problem for any government established health care program is that sooner or later the cost of it rises at an exponential rate because administering the system becomes the be all and end all of the system with health care being a secondary issue hence all the focus on administration and seeing the money is budgeted properly rather than treating people.
Basically the NHS is crap, if you want to see how a good health service should be run, look at France, their system is superb, a mixture of private and public.
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Dec 20 2010, 10:51 PM
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Dec 20 2010, 10:47 PM
Andy Wilders
Dec 20 2010, 10:42 PM
I know someone with a kid in the States who has health care insurance but can't get get grommets (pre existing condition) done for the kid and can't afford to have it done... that is one seriously messed up system there.
I can't see why the Republicans are opposed to free health care. Why actually are they against it?
It's purely to do with the rich not wanting to pay for the poor. I think a lot of peoples image of the US is badly swayed by all hte crappy american tv we watch.

America is a very economically divided country. Many people look to the US as a guide but it's a basket case of a country. I'd advise looking at the Scandinavian countries to see a system that is fairer for all.
It's more to do with the American attitude of why should the state pick my pocket to pay for someone elses health care. The big losers would not be the rich, but the working and middle classes, those who pay taxes, rather than those who don't.
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a monster? a friend of mine has type 1 diabetes and it will, eventually,blind then kill her. she was here studying and got her medicine free on the NHS, or for the minimum prescription charge. now she has gone back home she cant get health insurance because hers is a high risk and high maintenance condition and its a bad risk for the insurers. she can get part insurance on her husbands, but because he married a high risk patient and changed jobs he is banned from claiming any sort of care for 6 months. so for the first 6 months of thier married life she has no health insurance and will have to pay around $35-$50 a shot of insulin unless she can get it at a free clinic, all of which have very limited supplies.

while she was here her mother bought up all the insulin and sharps she could afford and posted them to her, thinking that the UK wouldnt treat her because she was american. she spent something like $1200 on medicine that was free at point of service here, because thats the system she's used too. the doctors in america will stand back and watch her daughter die because her insurance doesnt cover the insulin shot needed to keep her alive.

now, which of these systems is the monster?
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We should be grateful that we have free healthcare.
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Dec 20 2010, 11:01 PM
a monster? a friend of mine has type 1 diabetes and it will, eventually,blind then kill her. she was here studying and got her medicine free on the NHS, or for the minimum prescription charge. now she has gone back home she cant get health insurance because hers is a high risk and high maintenance condition and its a bad risk for the insurers. she can get part insurance on her husbands, but because he married a high risk patient and changed jobs he is banned from claiming any sort of care for 6 months. so for the first 6 months of thier married life she has no health insurance and will have to pay around $35-$50 a shot of insulin unless she can get it at a free clinic, all of which have very limited supplies.

while she was here her mother bought up all the insulin and sharps she could afford and posted them to her, thinking that the UK wouldnt treat her because she was american. she spent something like $1200 on medicine that was free at point of service here, because thats the system she's used too. the doctors in america will stand back and watch her daughter die because her insurance doesnt cover the insulin shot needed to keep her alive.

now, which of these systems is the monster?
It's only a monster because it could be oh so much better run.
We-Are-The-British
Dec 20 2010, 11:04 PM
We should be grateful that we have free healthcare.
It's only free at point of use, I pay for it out of my national insurance and income tax.
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oh, I agree it could be much more efficient if we got rid of layers and layers of uselss middle management and spent more money training doctors and nurses in the uk instead of using immigrant and agency workers, but for now its the best we have and we would all be a lot worse off without it.
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Dec 20 2010, 11:01 PM
a monster?
I should have elaborated somewhat on that. I only meant in the waste due to administering the thing.
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The NHS is something to be very proud of. It's sh1t like this that makes Britain great.
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Dec 20 2010, 11:08 PM
The NHS is something to be very proud of. It's sh1t like this that makes Britain great.
I agree.
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Dec 20 2010, 11:07 PM
oh, I agree it could be much more efficient if we got rid of layers and layers of uselss middle management and spent more money training doctors and nurses in the uk instead of using immigrant and agency workers, but for now its the best we have and we would all be a lot worse off without it.
Oh yes, they saved my life when I had cancer, saved my arm too. It could just be so much better without the middle men.
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The BNP are politically lazy and in need of new idea’s and leadership, they argue on ground they have already won, waving Union Jacks around and always banging on about Britain in their amusing election broadcast's means they are taken with a pinch of salt, they should learn that less is more.

The BNP are just a vehicle for a protest vote at the moment, they have failed to notice that in the 21st Century the world is a small place, and they need to up their game and accentuate what they would do for the rank and file silent majority working class rather than just complaining about everything.

Unless they abandon negative selfindulgent politics they will not increase their vote.

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If the BNP was more anti-Islamification then they would probably have more success. They did manage to stop a Mosque being built once though, in Kings Lynn.
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Dec 14 2010, 09:06 PM
When I first joined the forum back in February, I noticed a lot of slagging off BNP from various members and certain people saying they'd been warned for comments there was nothing racist or vulgar about and also on the EDL facebook page, more people saying they'd been banned from the forum due to Admins disliking something someone had said. I now notice this is happening on facebook too.

We know we've gotta keep the likes of sieg heilers away and all they are is a pain in the flipping neck, but why slag off the BNP when the party as a whole are not nazis or even racists?

I support the EDL and obviously we've grown into a huge movement now and people know who we are and what we're about and many have joined us because of this, however part of the reason I haven't been on here for ages is the fact I couldn't be bothered with some of the things I read back on here when I first joined and also the fact I'd forgot my password until earlier today I remembered what it was.

The EDL is doing a reasonable job, the demos do tend to make people aware of what we are and what we're doing and we will not surrender until we get our streets back. When people are moaning about the BNP though, what is the point? Because at the end of the day, who you gonna vote for when elections take place? Labour with posh boy marxist miliband? The pro-islam tory toffs? The joke of a party lib dems? Green? UKIP, who are just right-wing eurosceptics really?

The only party who really represent the EDL as an organisation are the BNP, even though we proscribe them and they proscribe us.

Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.

What does Griffin have against west indians and sikhs, nothing.

I don't mind UKIP but I can't necessarily see them solving all the problems we want solved, there's only one party for that and it's the BNP, if you wrongly think the BNP is full of nazis and you think it's a racist party and so on, then go join the UAF, because most true EDL don't mind the BNP and a lot support the BNP, stop being such politically correct nancies about things. You'd know this if some of you armchair EDL fans actually went to the demos.
The BNP have many policies that would be considered "Left-Wing" ie arming the populas and Tax on spend not on earn, it's just you never hear them as they are always banging on about their right-wing immigration views.
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Dec 14 2010, 10:14 PM
Nope, way left is socialist, anarchist, maybe libertarian etc...?
No no and thrice no! Way left is NOT anarcist. Anarchy is ANTI politics...left or right. You CANNOT be a left wing anarcist because it goes against the grain of what anarchy is.
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Dec 20 2010, 10:47 PM
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Dec 20 2010, 10:42 PM
I know someone with a kid in the States who has health care insurance but can't get get grommets (pre existing condition) done for the kid and can't afford to have it done... that is one seriously messed up system there.
I can't see why the Republicans are opposed to free health care. Why actually are they against it?
Because it's not "free" - you pay for it with massive taxes.

Also, our ancestors and forefathers worked hard and paid a lot to build up the NHS for us - the British people. And yet anyone can more or less walk into the UK and get thousands of pounds of health care just like that.
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I was 4 or five when the NHS started and I have a vivid picture of my dad having a broken leg sorted on the kitchen table.
In my class at school there were 4 lads with leg braces due to polio and 1 girl that died.
Now our kids don't have to suffer this and survive all sorts of sh1t because it doesn't matter who you are you can get treatment.
There's no doubt it could be improved but be in no doubt you are probably alive because of the NHS.

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