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| Quiet_Man | Dec 20 2010, 08:16 PM Post #101 |
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| Flashbuck | Dec 20 2010, 08:25 PM Post #102 |
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And let's not forget how Nick Griffin used to go to Libya when Gadaffy was handing out bucket loads of big $$$$ bucks... Griffin & Gadaffy Edited by Flashbuck, Dec 20 2010, 08:25 PM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 08:33 PM Post #103 |
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I support EDL precisely because it is not affiliated to any political party, as I feel that no political party stands for what the people want. They are all sleaze ridden with very sticky fingers and I'd chuck them all out if given the chance. The EDL exists because politics have failed us all and we have taken our fight to the streets because it is the only way to fight back and the only hope we have. EDL have done 10 times as much as any other organisation to bring the Islamization of this country to the front pages of the media and this problem is now being discussed more and more and we are being proved right in every thing we say. There's enough room in EDL for all people, left, right or middle and no one has the right to tell other supporters that their place is in the UAF because they are a bit left. What does being left mean, I agree in an NHS for example, in the USA they'd call me a commie, we Brits are all a bit left, free education, welfare for those who deserve it etc etc. I feel that threads like this are a bit divisive and we do need to stay united, this fight must be won and it's far too important that we grow and stay united. Arthur. |
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| East End Boy | Dec 20 2010, 10:29 PM Post #104 |
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Spot on again, not ass licking
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 10:42 PM Post #105 |
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Mate this is spot on, when you say to an American that it should be a right for their children, the future of their nation to have free Medical health care, they seriously think you are a Communist. I know someone with a kid in the States who has health care insurance but can't get get grommets (pre existing condition) done for the kid and can't afford to have it done... that is one seriously messed up system there. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 10:47 PM Post #106 |
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I can't see why the Republicans are opposed to free health care. Why actually are they against it? |
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| BobFront | Dec 20 2010, 10:51 PM Post #107 |
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It's purely to do with the rich not wanting to pay for the poor. I think a lot of peoples image of the US is badly swayed by all hte crappy american tv we watch. America is a very economically divided country. Many people look to the US as a guide but it's a basket case of a country. I'd advise looking at the Scandinavian countries to see a system that is fairer for all. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 10:51 PM Post #108 |
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Because it could end up like the monster that is the NHS. |
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| Quiet_Man | Dec 20 2010, 10:57 PM Post #109 |
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Cost mostly. The problem for any government established health care program is that sooner or later the cost of it rises at an exponential rate because administering the system becomes the be all and end all of the system with health care being a secondary issue hence all the focus on administration and seeing the money is budgeted properly rather than treating people. Basically the NHS is crap, if you want to see how a good health service should be run, look at France, their system is superb, a mixture of private and public. It's more to do with the American attitude of why should the state pick my pocket to pay for someone elses health care. The big losers would not be the rich, but the working and middle classes, those who pay taxes, rather than those who don't. Edited by Quiet_Man, Dec 20 2010, 11:00 PM.
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| crash_fistfight | Dec 20 2010, 11:01 PM Post #110 |
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a monster? a friend of mine has type 1 diabetes and it will, eventually,blind then kill her. she was here studying and got her medicine free on the NHS, or for the minimum prescription charge. now she has gone back home she cant get health insurance because hers is a high risk and high maintenance condition and its a bad risk for the insurers. she can get part insurance on her husbands, but because he married a high risk patient and changed jobs he is banned from claiming any sort of care for 6 months. so for the first 6 months of thier married life she has no health insurance and will have to pay around $35-$50 a shot of insulin unless she can get it at a free clinic, all of which have very limited supplies. while she was here her mother bought up all the insulin and sharps she could afford and posted them to her, thinking that the UK wouldnt treat her because she was american. she spent something like $1200 on medicine that was free at point of service here, because thats the system she's used too. the doctors in america will stand back and watch her daughter die because her insurance doesnt cover the insulin shot needed to keep her alive. now, which of these systems is the monster? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 11:04 PM Post #111 |
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We should be grateful that we have free healthcare. |
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| Quiet_Man | Dec 20 2010, 11:05 PM Post #112 |
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It's only a monster because it could be oh so much better run. It's only free at point of use, I pay for it out of my national insurance and income tax. Edited by Quiet_Man, Dec 20 2010, 11:05 PM.
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| crash_fistfight | Dec 20 2010, 11:07 PM Post #113 |
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oh, I agree it could be much more efficient if we got rid of layers and layers of uselss middle management and spent more money training doctors and nurses in the uk instead of using immigrant and agency workers, but for now its the best we have and we would all be a lot worse off without it. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 11:08 PM Post #114 |
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I should have elaborated somewhat on that. I only meant in the waste due to administering the thing. |
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| BobFront | Dec 20 2010, 11:08 PM Post #115 |
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The NHS is something to be very proud of. It's sh1t like this that makes Britain great. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 11:13 PM Post #116 |
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I agree. |
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| Quiet_Man | Dec 20 2010, 11:41 PM Post #117 |
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Oh yes, they saved my life when I had cancer, saved my arm too. It could just be so much better without the middle men. |
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| haydenb | Dec 20 2010, 11:59 PM Post #118 |
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The BNP are politically lazy and in need of new idea’s and leadership, they argue on ground they have already won, waving Union Jacks around and always banging on about Britain in their amusing election broadcast's means they are taken with a pinch of salt, they should learn that less is more. The BNP are just a vehicle for a protest vote at the moment, they have failed to notice that in the 21st Century the world is a small place, and they need to up their game and accentuate what they would do for the rank and file silent majority working class rather than just complaining about everything. Unless they abandon negative selfindulgent politics they will not increase their vote. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 21 2010, 12:03 AM Post #119 |
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If the BNP was more anti-Islamification then they would probably have more success. They did manage to stop a Mosque being built once though, in Kings Lynn. |
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| haydenb | Dec 21 2010, 12:03 AM Post #120 |
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The BNP have many policies that would be considered "Left-Wing" ie arming the populas and Tax on spend not on earn, it's just you never hear them as they are always banging on about their right-wing immigration views. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 21 2010, 01:24 AM Post #121 |
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No no and thrice no! Way left is NOT anarcist. Anarchy is ANTI politics...left or right. You CANNOT be a left wing anarcist because it goes against the grain of what anarchy is. |
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| Flashbuck | Dec 21 2010, 01:28 AM Post #122 |
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Because it's not "free" - you pay for it with massive taxes. Also, our ancestors and forefathers worked hard and paid a lot to build up the NHS for us - the British people. And yet anyone can more or less walk into the UK and get thousands of pounds of health care just like that. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 21 2010, 01:44 AM Post #123 |
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I was 4 or five when the NHS started and I have a vivid picture of my dad having a broken leg sorted on the kitchen table. In my class at school there were 4 lads with leg braces due to polio and 1 girl that died. Now our kids don't have to suffer this and survive all sorts of sh1t because it doesn't matter who you are you can get treatment. There's no doubt it could be improved but be in no doubt you are probably alive because of the NHS. Arthur. |
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