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| squarepeg | Dec 14 2010, 11:13 PM Post #51 |
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They used to put them authoritarian left, but just slightly left. Perhaps, they've accounted for changes in policy. I'm slightly left and libertarian.
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| scotsguy | Dec 14 2010, 11:15 PM Post #52 |
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i think nicks done a good job over at the bnp!.... now let me tell you,i lived in london for 13 years,that multi-cultrual utopia that nu-lab shafted us with. many of my friends in london are british born,black,chinese,malaysians,asians......they all have the same opinion with me as regards immigration,and the changing face of the uk. labour fcuked us up bigstyle by swamping this country with economic migrants....and there was only one party brave enough to stand up to them,and say! enough!...the bnp. because of nu-labour and the uaf,searchlight etc,anybody who stood up and took nu labour on,were deemed racists!...rather than concerned voters!... its easy to label someone a racist,if you cant be bothered to debate them. id vote for the bnp,if they would drop the get all em non brits out mentality....and got on with being a decent,effective,political force. many people have left the bnp,that was always going to happen,but maybe the people who are left,need to move with the times,and move on....united. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 14 2010, 11:19 PM Post #53 |
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What have the BNP done to make people aware of Islamo-Fascism, sharia law et al? |
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| BigChris | Dec 14 2010, 11:20 PM Post #54 |
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What he said, suffice to say that if BNP had got in with there economic policies alone this country would have been even more screwed than it currently is
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| scotsguy | Dec 14 2010, 11:20 PM Post #55 |
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you only need take a look at there website andy,to see there right on the tail of the radicals and jihadis. |
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| Popper | Dec 14 2010, 11:21 PM Post #56 |
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That is only a recent development. As was stated earlier in this thread the BNP's policies were very much to the left. They were essentially old Labour with racism. The Left v Right paradigm is a lie. I have contacted the BBC on numerous occasions to complain that the BNP are not far right wing. I have never had an answer of their definitions. They don't want one, because it is a label that they use to attack conservative minded people. It is as if a slightly right wing small c conservative is on the side of the evil. You never get that with anyone of the left. Have you ever been told about the UAF being Far Left and aligned to the worst mass murderers of the 20th century, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pott? Words and labels are very, very powerful. The public have been conditioned like Pavlovs dog to react to the term Right wing. I am a hardcore Right Wing Libertarian therefore I am like Hitler, get it? |
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| Deleted User | Dec 14 2010, 11:24 PM Post #57 |
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I'll check out their page and see what they have done. |
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| squarepeg | Dec 14 2010, 11:26 PM Post #58 |
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Actually for some years that is the issue they've campaigned on. The problem is that it might have been counter-productive, from an EDL point of view, as it was used as a Trojan Horse for Griffins out and out racism. More recently they've changed from being Greens to Sceptics, very party political blowing with the wind. |
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| aluman | Dec 14 2010, 11:33 PM Post #59 |
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A lot more than you mate ? 2001 defending freespeech trial at leeds crown court where Nick Griffith was looking at 7 yrs jail for saying islam is a wicked vicous faith, and by the way we was doing this at a time when no-one else was. I personnelly have been canvassing for the BNP around Blackburn, Bradford, Leeds, etc etc for 10 yrs, you want to try it, 4 people door knocking around Bradford with BNP rosets on tounting for votes now that takes balls. So thats what the BNP has done for a lot of years. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 14 2010, 11:34 PM Post #60 |
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So how does the thread title work, then. I know Durham lad is a BNP supporter, so why is he slagging lefties off? That's a genuine enquiry, by the way. |
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| aluman | Dec 14 2010, 11:37 PM Post #61 |
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They changed fcuk all BNP political are the same now as 10 years ago when i join coz we BNP voter are now havin to suffer the sh1t you lefties have created Edited by aluman, Dec 14 2010, 11:40 PM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 14 2010, 11:42 PM Post #62 |
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So the BNP are not far-left? Seriously confused, here. |
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| BigChris | Dec 14 2010, 11:46 PM Post #63 |
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He's fallen for the Immigration policy and believes what he reads in the media thinking he is joining a far right group without looking at there other policies which are far closer to Old Labour I would'nt trust Griffin to run 100yds never mind the country
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| Forourcountry | Dec 14 2010, 11:57 PM Post #64 |
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By election coming up in Oldham. Take it any EDL supporter won't be voting Labour or Lib Dem. The Tories have a Muslim candidate. UKIP may stand, but they put up Muslim candidates in the past, though not in this one I believe. One thing the main three parties and UKIP will have in common, they will be chasing the Muslim vote, and saying such things as we hate wacism and Islamphobia. UKIP would not touch the EDL with a 12ft barge pole, they will call you wacists and thugs. UKIP want to be part of the establishment and won't associate themselves with the EDL. That leaves the BNP to vote for, or you could just sit on your arse and not vote, and watch one of the main three parties win. The BNP won't win, but a good vote will show how pissed off the English are with Islam and immigration. |
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| squarepeg | Dec 15 2010, 12:08 AM Post #65 |
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@ aluman I'm now one over the limit, so I'm not going to argue with you. PM me, and I'll discuss with you when I knock of work. Deal? |
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| waspish | Dec 15 2010, 12:16 AM Post #66 |
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right-wing eurosceptics really? that just got my vote.... next.... |
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| Wigone | Dec 15 2010, 12:30 AM Post #67 |
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| Gorgie | Dec 15 2010, 01:28 AM Post #68 |
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BNP are both right wing and left wing. As has already been said, it's not so easy as to label someone "left wing" or "right wing". Having taken that stupid political compass, and thought about it myself, I'd say I'm right wing. Oh, and remember that Nick Griffin actually went over to the USA to meet the KKK. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 15 2010, 02:02 AM Post #69 |
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We cannot be afiliated to any political party, we would not only lose members but it would finnish us so much baggage does the BNP carry. We are the EDL, we are our own people, our own movement with our own aims and we do not need to be a part of any political party. EDL is NOT going to join up with any political party anyway so it's a no goer from the start. As EDL, we have become a household word and we are getting our message across to those in power. Arthur. |
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| Gorgie | Dec 15 2010, 02:34 AM Post #70 |
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Exactly. The UAF/SWP try desperatley enough to affiliate us with the BNP and make up false links here, there and everywhere, so I don't think we should start doing it too! |
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| ReltonBFD | Dec 15 2010, 07:42 AM Post #71 |
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Tbh mate this is why I have stopped posting on this forum , I read it yeh course I do . I try get to demos but the amount if times even members who have been here longer with 500+ posts seem lefty wankers I hate |
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| tobias malachi | Dec 15 2010, 12:39 PM Post #72 |
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The bnp have been forced to change because of new laws that would have banned them under their original charter, if these new laws were repealed the bnp would revert to their former racist beginings. I shall in future support UKIP Edited by tobias malachi, Dec 15 2010, 12:39 PM.
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| Deleted User | Dec 15 2010, 01:01 PM Post #73 |
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Happy to enlighten you. The main threat to this country (and many others in europe) is islamisation. By concentrating their policies on black people, all immigrants, gay people, jews, etc. the BNP only came to see the threat from islam in the last 5 years or so. If 20 years ago (after the Rushdie affair) they had concentrated on islam and islam alone, and warned unceasingly about the threat from the growth of these unprosecuted terrorists who marched up and down cities under the instructions of an islamic state, then we would not be in the situation where we had the 7/7 bombings. They should have had one issue on immigration: stop immigration from muslim countries. Instead the BNP were caught up in holocaust denial, ridiculous ideas of genetic racial differences, trying to define what is ethnically British. They were a farce. They have betrayed this country in exactly the same way as Lab-Con. They refused to focus on what was the real threat. That is why there are true (non-racist) nationalists who are saying that Nick Griffin is a tool of MI5. He made sure that we could not focus on the true threat to our nation and our national culture. Clearly in your infatuation with Griffin you are unable to see any fault in him. Do you not remember Tommy's account of his one and only BNP meeting? He turned up with some black friends and was told they couldn't come in. So Tommy and his friends broke up the BNP meeting and told them they could not have another BNP meeting on his turf. That's why Tommy is a hero, and Griffin is a zero. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 15 2010, 01:35 PM Post #74 |
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I know the BNP is not full of Nazi's and I know that people have voted for them are not Nazi's, they attract a lot of people that are worried about unchecked mass immigration. Here's a few questions for all, after all the things that have happened to the Party, views. policies and with certain views held and documented by some of it's leaders (see H.S post above), do you think it will ever gain enough credence to become a force? Given that the voting system may change and proportionate representation may become the norm for the U.K, given the amount of votes they received at the last election would this equate to any M.P's in Parliament? excuse my ignorance on this subject. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 15 2010, 02:44 PM Post #75 |
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A lawyer friend of mine who has been an advocate and enthusiast for PR for over 20 years says that the reforms being proposed are useless. They are proposing the most minimal increase in proportionality possible. And still it might not get passed. I can't be bothered to look into the problems the BNP are currently having. But I've heard from more than one source that the BNP is unlikely to be around in a year or so. I've no confidence in UKIP either mind. Despite having anti-islamisation policies at the last election, they barely mentioned them. I saw one of their candidates in a debate just before the election - his answer for every question was "when we leave the EU". After the 3rd time he'd repeated that answer, they audience just fell about laughing at him. So, we just go on growing EDL and becoming one of the biggest and most powerful pressure groups this country has ever seen. We will make the Stop the war Coalition look small and pathetic. |
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| Star | Dec 15 2010, 03:40 PM Post #76 |
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And if you have a child with an Indian person and your White and English is that child not English either? they certainly wont be white! And if that child lives in England all their life marries a black person and has a child is that child not English either? skin colour means feck all nowadays because many of these non white people have been in this country for generations and have as much right as me to be called English. While i kind of get where your coming from (historically) i have to say i massively disagree with you and what's more i don't like being told where i do or don't belong by someone who knows nothing about me because i don't vote for a certain political party... and no i am not a keyboard warrior i have been going to demos since i joined EDL and will continue to do so with or without your approval! |
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| aluman | Dec 15 2010, 05:40 PM Post #77 |
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NO your rong mate nick was in court in 2001 for sayin islam was a wicked visicious faith . and the meeting he said it at was years before that sorry to piss on your parade mateHo and that about a meetin bein broke up is a bag of sh1t coz i know fact coz no one would ever bully the BNP Edited by aluman, Dec 15 2010, 05:49 PM.
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| squarepeg | Dec 15 2010, 05:49 PM Post #78 |
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@ aluman Since last night I've been over to political compass and had a look at how the rated British political parties. I have to say it's a complete joke. For example you can't squeeze a fag paper between SNP and Labour yet they have them in very different places. They also have UKIP as more authoritarian than the Tories. A case of ask a silly question get a silly answer. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010 |
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| Quiet_Man | Dec 15 2010, 06:20 PM Post #79 |
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Libertarians can be both. Left and right are economic policies, authoritarian and libertarian are on another axis of the graph. As you can see, the BNP are well to the left of Labour. Edited by Quiet_Man, Dec 15 2010, 06:21 PM.
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| squarepeg | Dec 15 2010, 06:31 PM Post #80 |
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We've got a confusion of terms here Quiet_Man. Party political Libertarians, (big L), are both libertarian, (small l), on the axis and far to the right. I'm libertarian, but not Libertarian. According to that graphic I should be voting Green, but that's never going to happen. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 15 2010, 07:35 PM Post #81 |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1508787/Islam-is-a-wicked-vicious-faith-BNP-leader-tells-court.html Griffin actually made that quote *in* court in 2006. Add some egg on your face to your pissed-on parade. |
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| aluman | Dec 15 2010, 07:53 PM Post #82 |
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yes looks like i got my dates rong but i dont do egg on face and still we were saying what islam was about for far longer than any one els
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| Night_Crawler | Dec 15 2010, 07:54 PM Post #83 |
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This is Nick Griffin at a NF march.![]() Now say he's not a racist. I know not everyone who joins the BNP is a racist, but Griffin is. |
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| aluman | Dec 15 2010, 07:59 PM Post #84 |
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I know some good people in the NF |
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| ScrewSociety | Dec 15 2010, 08:05 PM Post #85 |
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I think he's referring to the white power shirt ALthough people do change |
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| Night_Crawler | Dec 15 2010, 08:07 PM Post #86 |
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But what are their views. People can change, i agree, but can you trust him. Edited by Night_Crawler, Dec 15 2010, 08:08 PM.
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| tektwo | Dec 15 2010, 08:09 PM Post #87 |
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BNP fights Islam for political reasons not ideological reasons. The EDL is genuinely concerned about the welfare of Britain and the West, that is why I support it. The BNP under Griffin yes now carries on about Islam but that is because he/they is/are power hungry. Nick Griffin quote in 2006; "We bang on about Islam. Why? Because to the ordinary public out there it's the thing they can understand. It's the thing the newspaper editors sell newspapers with. If we were to attack some other ethnic group—some people say we should attack the Jews... But ... we've got to get to power. And if that was an issue we chose to bang on about when the press don't talk about it ... the public would just think we were barking mad. They'd just think oh, you're attacking Jews just because you want to attack Jews. You're attacking this group of powerful Zionists just because you want to take poor Manny Cohen the tailor and shove him in a gas chamber. That's what the public would think. It wouldn't get us anywhere other than stepping backwards. It would lock us in a little box; the public would think "extremist crank lunatics, nothing to do with me." And we wouldn't get power.[155]" Edited by tektwo, Dec 15 2010, 08:10 PM.
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"The true Islamic concept of peace goes something like this:'Peace comes through submission to Muhammad and his concept of Allah'(i.e. Islam). As such the Islamic concept of peace, meaning making the whole world Muslim, is actually a mandate for war. It was inevitable and unavoidable that the conflict would eventually reach our borders, and so it has." - Vernon Richards Nizom, Novil, Ne'haveh Dugma VeNenaze'ah - We shall Innovate, Lead, Set an Example and Win. - My Paratrooper Unit Motto | |
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| Deleted User | Dec 15 2010, 08:11 PM Post #88 |
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Even before the Crusades?
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| ScrewSociety | Dec 15 2010, 08:15 PM Post #89 |
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People can change, i agree, but can you trust him.[/quote]Oh no, fcuk that. Nick Griffin is pretty 1920's-thinking, racism aside. |
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| aluman | Dec 15 2010, 10:14 PM Post #90 |
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dont talk crap its me and people like me that makes up the BNP and yes its people like me that get elected and iv not put my life on the line many times for power ? i did it for my kids see i did,nt whinged like a bitch when my details got leaked on the BNP membership list, cause every fcuker knows who i am anyway and what i stand for cause i put my face out in public. and for this reason i get sick of hearing people slag off the only voice this country had for many years and yes the EDL is around now and yes im glad for this and lets hope thay can also push forwards and help to take are country back
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| Deleted User | Dec 16 2010, 09:15 AM Post #91 |
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http://theenglishdefenceleagueextra.blogspot.com/2010/12/edl-tommy-robinsons-live-interview-on.html Go to 3:00 onwards to hear where Tommy feels the EDL sits with the BNP & the NF. |
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| jeceris | Dec 20 2010, 11:09 AM Post #92 |
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Hom Sap.... You've just about summed it up there. EDL members need to rise above the label-mongering; there exists a kind of philosophical identity-crisis amongst some people here; "i'm a leftie", "far-right fascists", etc. I joined this community because of its stated-goal- to expose the threat of the existential-nightmare that is radical islam and raise awareness of the danger of 'fence-sitting'. The core of the BNP have time and again proved to be racist and racism is not EDL's agenda (although sometimes, from the tone of certain individuals, there appears to be an obvious, under-lying bigotry- hence our vigilant 'Global-Moderators'.). It would be all-too-easy for the MSM to lump EDL and BNP together into a morass of homo/ethno/islamo red-necks out to destabilise the country so we must never stray from the stated-goal. Way to Go.... |
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| lancastrian | Dec 20 2010, 11:21 AM Post #93 |
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Agree with HS. I am leftwing as well although I agree on somethings with most of the political parties. IMO, the BNP are racist and pro-nazi. Neither of those is acceptable to the vast majority of British people. We fought the last war to stop nazism and it isn't wanted back under another name. The BNP happen to agree with us on Islamic militancy as that is the cause of the moment but frankly we would probably be making a lot more headway if they didn't. The association of the EDL and BNP is toxic to us because of the rest of the BNP agenda. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 11:27 AM Post #94 |
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Theres were i stand on the political spectrum. |
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| jeceris | Dec 20 2010, 11:39 AM Post #95 |
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Here-here. You are truly a one-eyed man/woman is this kingdom if the blind.
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| infidel1000 | Dec 20 2010, 12:02 PM Post #96 |
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i would never knock the BNP after all for years they were all we had,however times change the EDL has now arrived and i believe is becoming far more of a force to be reckoned with than the BNP can ever be.approximately 1,000,000 people voted for the BNP in recent elections with the result that they now have 2 meps, no mp's and a vastly reduced number of councillors,the EDL puts a couple of thousand british patriots on our streets and the whole world sends its media to cover it.unfortunately the BNP carries its past racism,anti-semitism and homophobia like an albatross around its neck and i dont believe that a change of leadership would alter that fact,there is room for a new right of centre party who will actually represent what the british people want but there is no sign of it arriving yet so disenchanted brits will probably vote ukip.the EDL are the way forward for now,vote for who you want to vote for but to apply real pressure PRACTICALLY EVERY MONTH OF THE YEAR MARCH WITH THE EDL. |
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| lancastrian | Dec 20 2010, 12:03 PM Post #97 |
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Just had another thought. If the BNP want to be useful to combatting Islamic militancy, the BNP members who like displaying SS divisions as their web-page banner etc could start using the Muslim SS division and mentioning the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem's role as advisor to Eichmann. Just a suggestion for them. |
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| Burzum77 | Dec 20 2010, 06:54 PM Post #98 |
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Not being funny, but I'd call BS on Tommys tale there. I know he and his fellow football 'lads' had a bit of tension with the local BNP group, primarily over them being 'lads' if you like, but I don't think he/they ever broke up a meeting. As for the BNP and Islam, they put their first anti Islam leaflets out in 1999 and I doubt any organisation has done more to highlight problems with Islam in this country. So far ![]() But I do agree with you that an organisation like the EDL should have nothing to do with the BNP or any other politcal party for that matter. The BNP is, at the moment a scam in the dictatorial hands of Nick Griffin, a man who has been a wrecker amongst every political party and group he's been involved in( one of the reasons why you correctly say many people believe him to be a long term MI5 plant). I believe this country does need a party that stands up for the white race in this country, because nobody else does and in fact many organisations work against the white race. That may be an upsetting subject for some as we've been brainwashed to believe that anybody who thinks like that is a 'naziwhowantstogassixmillionjews', but it's there and it's never going to go away. Many people look at what has happened demographicaly to this country and think 'that's not right' and it's only fear of censure that keeps those views in check. Not everone will keep schtum however. |
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| BlueStar | Dec 20 2010, 07:40 PM Post #99 |
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Why are some posters talking about the "white race" thing again - the EDL doesn't do the colour thing. If there were a 1,000 white converts to militant Islam or a 1,000 non-white English Patriots tell me, who would you stand up for - the Muslims or the English Patriots? It seems some would stand up for anybody, whatever they believed, purely on the basis of the colour of their skin. The EDL, however, criticises militant Muslims whether they are black or white and warmly endorses English Patriots - again, whether they are black or white. |
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| Deleted User | Dec 20 2010, 07:47 PM Post #100 |
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^^^^That. |
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