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EDL Forum still full of lefties then?; EDL fakes?
Topic Started: Dec 14 2010, 09:06 PM (2,162 Views)
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When I first joined the forum back in February, I noticed a lot of slagging off BNP from various members and certain people saying they'd been warned for comments there was nothing racist or vulgar about and also on the EDL facebook page, more people saying they'd been banned from the forum due to Admins disliking something someone had said. I now notice this is happening on facebook too.

We know we've gotta keep the likes of sieg heilers away and all they are is a pain in the flipping neck, but why slag off the BNP when the party as a whole are not nazis or even racists?

I support the EDL and obviously we've grown into a huge movement now and people know who we are and what we're about and many have joined us because of this, however part of the reason I haven't been on here for ages is the fact I couldn't be bothered with some of the things I read back on here when I first joined and also the fact I'd forgot my password until earlier today I remembered what it was.

The EDL is doing a reasonable job, the demos do tend to make people aware of what we are and what we're doing and we will not surrender until we get our streets back. When people are moaning about the BNP though, what is the point? Because at the end of the day, who you gonna vote for when elections take place? Labour with posh boy marxist miliband? The pro-islam tory toffs? The joke of a party lib dems? Green? UKIP, who are just right-wing eurosceptics really?

The only party who really represent the EDL as an organisation are the BNP, even though we proscribe them and they proscribe us.

Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.

What does Griffin have against west indians and sikhs, nothing.

I don't mind UKIP but I can't necessarily see them solving all the problems we want solved, there's only one party for that and it's the BNP, if you wrongly think the BNP is full of nazis and you think it's a racist party and so on, then go join the UAF, because most true EDL don't mind the BNP and a lot support the BNP, stop being such politically correct nancies about things. You'd know this if some of you armchair EDL fans actually went to the demos.
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Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.


In my opinion Griffin is completely useless.Tell me,just was has he achieved since he was elected as an MEP?
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What's good about this forum is the people are allowed to air their views, from my personal regional experience anyone associated to the BNP are not welcome.
Being associated to BNP is not the way forward for this movement in my opinion. This is a street movement not a political one, I don't like any form of racism/homophobia that's why I hate Islamo-fascism.
I'm also anti European Union that's why I will continue to vote UKIP until the knight in shinning armour party appears. Due to their history, previous policies and the people in the charge, I could never vote BNP. I feel they are a spent force and there is too much of a stigma attached to them.
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Well I've been to four EDL demos now - I don't support the BNP nor do I believe Nick Griffin is a legend.

I am, however, 100% supportive of the EDL's declared goals.

If people wish to support the BNP they are free to do so but I don't think ridiculing posters on this Forum as being "left-wing" nancies just because they happen not to support - "THE LEGEND" - is rational. :blink:

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People can vote for who they like, it is nothing to do with the EDL,

it's a personal choice

We don't proscribe BNP, btw.

Why don't you stick around for a while and see if there's differences from the old days?
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Dec 14 2010, 09:20 PM
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Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.


In my opinion Griffin is completely useless.Tell me,just was has he achieved since he was elected as an MEP?
UKIP have many more MEP's and what have they achieved....
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Dec 14 2010, 09:21 PM
What's good about this forum is the people are allowed to air their views, from my personal regional experience anyone associated to the BNP are not welcome.
Being associated to BNP is not the way forward for this movement in my opinion. This is a street movement not a political one, I don't like any form of racism/homophobia that's why I hate Islamo-fascism.
I'm also anti European Union that's why I will continue to vote UKIP until the knight in shinning armour party appears. Due to their history, previous policies and the people in the charge, I could never vote BNP. I feel they are a spent force and there is too much of a stigma attached to them.
I agree that being associated to the BNP is not necessarily the way forward, however when people admit they support the BNP, i've seen a few lefty anti-bnpers on here just as bad as the uaf calling the BNP nazis which is total rubbish. That's what I object to, if anyone here detests (yes that's the correct word in this case) the BNP, then the EDL in my opinion isn't the place for you, since the EDL want what the BNP want....
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The political system in Britain is designed to prevent small parties getting anywhere - even the (fairly vapid) Greens have taken 25 years to get 1 MP (and she'll be out after the next election).

It is far better to become a massive pressure group, aligned to no party. Whoever is in power (and this coalition may be gone in 6 months), we can just put pressure on whoever is next.

The BNP wasted 20 years with their obsession with "race". I absolutely love that Tommy says anyone who is born here and loves this country is English. The first time I heard him say it, I literally jumped for joy. I just watched the Peterborough speech, and he said it again. I don't have many heroes, but Tommy is one of them. He makes me proud of EDL when he thanks all the non-white people who go to EDL demos.

I guess really, we don't care if the BNP voters support EDL. EDL has grown massively since you forgot your password.

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I am a leftie, so I guess I'm fake EDL :)
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I am not sure that "the EDL want what the BNP want", not at all.

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Dec 14 2010, 09:36 PM
if anyone here detests (yes that's the correct word in this case) the BNP, then the EDL in my opinion isn't the place for you, since the EDL want what the BNP want....
Thats your opinion which is fair enough. But to say that someone who does not support the BNP has no place in the EDL is a way over the top in my opinion.

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Dec 14 2010, 09:06 PM

Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.

What exactly makes the bloke a legend? what has he achieved? He fielded 300 or so candidates at the last election and all he managed to achieve was the near bankruptcy of his party :-/


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Dec 14 2010, 09:41 PM
The political system in Britain is designed to prevent small parties getting anywhere - even the (fairly vapid) Greens have taken 25 years to get 1 MP (and she'll be out after the next election).

It is far better to become a massive pressure group, aligned to no party. Whoever is in power (and this coalition may be gone in 6 months), we can just put pressure on whoever is next.

The BNP wasted 20 years with their obsession with "race". I absolutely love that Tommy says anyone who is born here and loves this country is English. The first time I heard him say it, I literally jumped for joy. I just watched the Peterborough speech, and he said it again. I don't have many heroes, but Tommy is one of them. He makes me proud of EDL when he thanks all the non-white people who go to EDL demos.

I guess really, we don't care if the BNP voters support EDL. EDL has grown massively since you forgot your password.

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I am a leftie, so I guess I'm fake EDL :)
Funny that, Tommy may say anyone who is born here and loves this country is English. I disagree on the whole, but agree in a sense. Any sikh or hindu, or even muslim, who abides by our laws, works hard, pays tax, support's England in the world cup, goes down the pub to have a drink (alcoholic or not) with their English mates can be considered culturally English, an Indian Brit or on the whole a Brit I'd say is accurate enough. The English are a race though, and we're not an african or asian race, we're european and white.
If I go to India and have a child there with my white, english girlfriend, and we abide by their laws and live like normal indian people over there, my child doesn't become indian though, he/she is still ethnically English.

You can be culturally English or British but you can't be ethnically English if your parents, grandparents, etc aren't from an English background like Saxon, Norman, Viking, Angle, Jute or Celt etc. These tribes make up what the English are, we are a white, European race and we have existed for 100's of years.

That's just fact.
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Dec 14 2010, 09:06 PM

Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.

What exactly makes the bloke a legend? what has he achieved? He fielded 300 or so candidates at the last election and all he managed to achieve was the near bankruptcy of his party :-/
The minute anyone trys to tell you thay will close the topic ? so theres no point
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Dec 14 2010, 09:06 PM

Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.

What exactly makes the bloke a legend? what has he achieved? He fielded 300 or so candidates at the last election and all he managed to achieve was the near bankruptcy of his party :-/
He might have supposedly bankrupted the party but the BNP vote went up in many areas (they did also lose some deposits but more people voted tory to get labour out) however the BNP's average vote still went up. They did not do badly, they did well.
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The BNP party policies are pretty sh1tty. Capital punishment for high level drug dealing?? Give me a fcuking break.
That's not me believing any propaganda either, it's in their manifesto.

Muslim extremism isn't the only threat to the country too, we should fight all threats which include larger scale threats such as greedy capitalism, corruption and basically any opposition to our free speech.
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Dec 14 2010, 09:53 PM
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The political system in Britain is designed to prevent small parties getting anywhere - even the (fairly vapid) Greens have taken 25 years to get 1 MP (and she'll be out after the next election).

It is far better to become a massive pressure group, aligned to no party. Whoever is in power (and this coalition may be gone in 6 months), we can just put pressure on whoever is next.

The BNP wasted 20 years with their obsession with "race". I absolutely love that Tommy says anyone who is born here and loves this country is English. The first time I heard him say it, I literally jumped for joy. I just watched the Peterborough speech, and he said it again. I don't have many heroes, but Tommy is one of them. He makes me proud of EDL when he thanks all the non-white people who go to EDL demos.

I guess really, we don't care if the BNP voters support EDL. EDL has grown massively since you forgot your password.

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I am a leftie, so I guess I'm fake EDL :)
Funny that, Tommy may say anyone who is born here and loves this country is English. I disagree on the whole, but agree in a sense. Any sikh or hindu, or even muslim, who abides by our laws, works hard, pays tax, support's England in the world cup, goes down the pub to have a drink (alcoholic or not) with their English mates can be considered culturally English, an Indian Brit or on the whole a Brit I'd say is accurate enough. The English are a race though, and we're not an african or asian race, we're european and white.
If I go to India and have a child there with my white, english girlfriend, and we abide by their laws and live like normal indian people over there, my child doesn't become indian though, he/she is still ethnically English.

You can be culturally English or British but you can't be ethnically English if your parents, grandparents, etc aren't from an English background like Saxon, Norman, Viking, Angle, Jute or Celt etc. These tribes make up what the English are, we are a white, European race and we have existed for 100's of years.

That's just fact.
good lad :D
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Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.


In my opinion Griffin is completely useless.Tell me,just was has he achieved since he was elected as an MEP?
UKIP have many more MEP's and what have they achieved....
[/quote]UKIP have achieved about as much as the BNP IE,nothing.

The truth is if Nick can't make big gains in the worst recession since the thirties he will never make them.The far right always rises during times of ecomonic hardship but for some reason he has failed to make gains.To me that indicates something has changed.
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The BNP party policies are pretty sh1tty. Capital punishment for high level drug dealing?? Give me a fcuking break.
That's not me believing any propaganda either, it's in their manifesto.

Muslim extremism isn't the only threat to the country too, we should fight all threats which include larger scale threats such as greedy capitalism, corruption and basically any opposition to our free speech.
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i think the vote went up because most people wanted to be heard,not that they believed in the bnp policies at all.but for the goverment to sit up.i think you are running away with yourself here mate.deluded ithink we are looking for.

keep the faith

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UKIP have many more MEP's and what have they achieved....
UKIP have achieved about as much as the BNP IE,nothing.

The truth is if Nick can't make big gains in the worst recession since the thirties he will never make them.The far right always rises during times of ecomonic hardship but for some reason he has failed to make gains.To me that indicates something has changed.[/quote]The recssion has,nt started yet ? next year
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The BNP party policies are pretty sh1tty. Capital punishment for high level drug dealing?? Give me a fcuking break.
That's not me believing any propaganda either, it's in their manifesto.

Muslim extremism isn't the only threat to the country too, we should fight all threats which include larger scale threats such as greedy capitalism, corruption and basically any opposition to our free speech.
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Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.

What exactly makes the bloke a legend? what has he achieved? He fielded 300 or so candidates at the last election and all he managed to achieve was the near bankruptcy of his party :-/
He might have supposedly bankrupted the party but the BNP vote went up in many areas (they did also lose some deposits but more people voted tory to get labour out) however the BNP's average vote still went up. They did not do badly, they did well.
After 580 results in the General Election, the party had failed to win a single seat despite fielding more than 300 candidates.

The BNP could only increase its overall vote by 1.83% to 514,819
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Dec 14 2010, 09:24 PM
Well I've been to four EDL demos now - I don't support the BNP nor do I believe Nick Griffin is a legend.

I am, however, 100% supportive of the EDL's declared goals.

If people wish to support the BNP they are free to do so but I don't think ridiculing posters on this Forum as being "left-wing" nancies just because they happen not to support - "THE LEGEND" - is rational. :blink:

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UKIP have achieved about as much as the BNP IE,nothing.

The truth is if Nick can't make big gains in the worst recession since the thirties he will never make them.The far right always rises during times of ecomonic hardship but for some reason he has failed to make gains.To me that indicates something has changed.
The recssion has,nt started yet ? next year[/quote]The recession has,nt started yet ? it will start next year
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Durham lad.

The BNP is a racist organisation. There are some good people on here who support some of the BNP's policies, but anybody who thinks as you do that there is "nothing wrong with the BNP" (that's an exact quote of your post from a thread that got closed down earlier) is by definition a racist.
Just saying.
And for the record, my politics are way left of centre, I wouldn't vote for any party that had Nick Griffin in it but I think I belong in the EDL.
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He might have supposedly bankrupted the party but the BNP vote went up in many areas (they did also lose some deposits but more people voted tory to get labour out) however the BNP's average vote still went up. They did not do badly, they did well.
After 580 results in the General Election, the party had failed to win a single seat despite fielding more than 300 candidates.

The BNP could only increase its overall vote by 1.83% to 514,819
Cause they mobilize all the foreginer to out vote us don,t tell me you not heard of operation black vote, you only have to look at what went on in London to see how it works.
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When I first joined the forum back in February, I noticed a lot of slagging off BNP from various members and certain people saying they'd been warned for comments there was nothing racist or vulgar about and also on the EDL facebook page, more people saying they'd been banned from the forum due to Admins disliking something someone had said. I now notice this is happening on facebook too.

We know we've gotta keep the likes of sieg heilers away and all they are is a pain in the flipping neck, but why slag off the BNP when the party as a whole are not nazis or even racists?

I support the EDL and obviously we've grown into a huge movement now and people know who we are and what we're about and many have joined us because of this, however part of the reason I haven't been on here for ages is the fact I couldn't be bothered with some of the things I read back on here when I first joined and also the fact I'd forgot my password until earlier today I remembered what it was.

The EDL is doing a reasonable job, the demos do tend to make people aware of what we are and what we're doing and we will not surrender until we get our streets back. When people are moaning about the BNP though, what is the point? Because at the end of the day, who you gonna vote for when elections take place? Labour with posh boy marxist miliband? The pro-islam tory toffs? The joke of a party lib dems? Green? UKIP, who are just right-wing eurosceptics really?

The only party who really represent the EDL as an organisation are the BNP, even though we proscribe them and they proscribe us.

Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.

What does Griffin have against west indians and sikhs, nothing.

I don't mind UKIP but I can't necessarily see them solving all the problems we want solved, there's only one party for that and it's the BNP, if you wrongly think the BNP is full of nazis and you think it's a racist party and so on, then go join the UAF, because most true EDL don't mind the BNP and a lot support the BNP, stop being such politically correct nancies about things. You'd know this if some of you armchair EDL fans actually went to the demos.



That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the British National Party by the right honourable Durham lad. :D


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Durham lad.

The BNP is a racist organisation. There are some good people on here who support some of the BNP's policies, but anybody who thinks as you do that there is "nothing wrong with the BNP" (that's an exact quote of your post from a thread that got closed down earlier) is by definition a racist.
Just saying.
And for the record, my politics are way left of centre, I wouldn't vote for any party that had Nick Griffin in it but I think I belong in the EDL.
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Dec 14 2010, 09:06 PM
When I first joined the forum back in February, I noticed a lot of slagging off BNP from various members and certain people saying they'd been warned for comments there was nothing racist or vulgar about and also on the EDL facebook page, more people saying they'd been banned from the forum due to Admins disliking something someone had said. I now notice this is happening on facebook too.

We know we've gotta keep the likes of sieg heilers away and all they are is a pain in the flipping neck, but why slag off the BNP when the party as a whole are not nazis or even racists?

I support the EDL and obviously we've grown into a huge movement now and people know who we are and what we're about and many have joined us because of this, however part of the reason I haven't been on here for ages is the fact I couldn't be bothered with some of the things I read back on here when I first joined and also the fact I'd forgot my password until earlier today I remembered what it was.

The EDL is doing a reasonable job, the demos do tend to make people aware of what we are and what we're doing and we will not surrender until we get our streets back. When people are moaning about the BNP though, what is the point? Because at the end of the day, who you gonna vote for when elections take place? Labour with posh boy marxist miliband? The pro-islam tory toffs? The joke of a party lib dems? Green? UKIP, who are just right-wing eurosceptics really?

The only party who really represent the EDL as an organisation are the BNP, even though we proscribe them and they proscribe us.

Those of you who hate the legend that is Nick Griffin are just obviously misinformed and blind to see the truth.

What does Griffin have against west indians and sikhs, nothing.

I don't mind UKIP but I can't necessarily see them solving all the problems we want solved, there's only one party for that and it's the BNP, if you wrongly think the BNP is full of nazis and you think it's a racist party and so on, then go join the UAF, because most true EDL don't mind the BNP and a lot support the BNP, stop being such politically correct nancies about things. You'd know this if some of you armchair EDL fans actually went to the demos.



That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the British National Party by the right honourable Durham lad. :D


LOL ha ha ha :D
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Durham lad.

The BNP is a racist organisation. There are some good people on here who support some of the BNP's policies, but anybody who thinks as you do that there is "nothing wrong with the BNP" (that's an exact quote of your post from a thread that got closed down earlier) is by definition a racist.
Just saying.
And for the record, my politics are way left of centre, I wouldn't vote for any party that had Nick Griffin in it but I think I belong in the EDL.
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Aluman,this is EDL site not stormfront.

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Nope, way left is socialist, anarchist, maybe libertarian etc...?
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Cause they mobilize all the foreginer to out vote us don,t tell me you not heard of operation black vote, you only have to look at what went on in London to see how it works.
They may have been encouraging non white races to get out and vote, and there was almost definitely gerrymandering going on within the Pakistani communities (was numerous cases of Pakistanis in Pakistan who had the right to vote being asked to sign postal vote forms without entering a candidate...) But none of this stopped white people voting for the BNP. It was just a case that people didn't believe they were the party to make the changes they wanted.


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I might add that the BNP denounced EDL from day 1. EDL is a proscribed organisation. That means if you are a BNP member YOU cannot go on EDL demos according to BNP's own policies.

I've no problem with people voting for the BNP as a protest vote. But given how long they were a party obssessed with race, and given how long they were an explicitly anti-gay party, I would not want to see them in power. I wouldn't mind if there were a few BNP MPs, just to give the other MPs a hard time.

So cry me a river for the BNP. The London Division kicked Barnbrook out of their last meeting. They made it very clear there was sweet FA that he could do for them.

I don't think the BNP will ever escape their associations with racism, anti-semitism and homophobia. They wasted 20 years when they could have ditched those issues (which actually have nothing to do with being British and nothing to do with nationalism). They are as guilty as the other parties for the rise of islam in Britain. In fact, there are some people who think that Griffin works for MI5 and that the entire raison d'etre of the BNP was to make sure that nationalism had a bad name.
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EDLers should know all about the muck that gets thrown at people who don't support the PC agenda. I have no problem with people who don't support the BNP saying so - I just get fed up of the over-the-top accusations of WAYCISM.

There is nothing wrong with feeling a bit of pride in your ethnic identity and it does not mean you hate other ethnic groups. All ethnic minorities here are encouraged to celebrate and retain their ethnic identity and heritage but somehow it is frowned upon when you are white. This will not change even when we become a no doubt persecuted ethnic minority.
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Cause they mobilize all the foreginer to out vote us don,t tell me you not heard of operation black vote, you only have to look at what went on in London to see how it works.
They may have been encouraging non white races to get out and vote, and there was almost definitely gerrymandering going on within the Pakistani communities (was numerous cases of Pakistanis in Pakistan who had the right to vote being asked to sign postal vote forms without entering a candidate...) But none of this stopped white people voting for the BNP. It was just a case that people didn't believe they were the party to make the changes they wanted.
no your wrong mate ? The voting system in the UK is rigged in favour of the main three. The BNP got in excessive of a half million votes they stood half the seats cause its all we could afford to stand (more rigging) where,s our MPS the voice, of these half million people in the house of commons ? Same as where their votes are, in the bin this is,nt democratic its a farce roll on PR.

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Nope, way left is socialist, anarchist, maybe libertarian etc...?
Remember young man, 'left vs right' is an extremely crude way to visualise politics ;)

You are too young to remember the old Labour Party (before Blair took over). Many of the BNP's policies would have sat very well with the old Labour Party. Since you are interested in politics it might serve you well to get the BNP's 2010 manifesto and study the policies. Then look at some book about the history of the Labour Party and see the similarities.

New Labour are almost indistinguishable from the Lib Dems and the Tories. Take the student fees rise... who introduced student fees in the first place? New Labour. Old Labour would have opposed that tooth and nail.
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Nope, way left is socialist, anarchist, maybe libertarian etc...?
Common mistake, BNP is actually far left not right ;)
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Nope, way left is socialist, anarchist, maybe libertarian etc...?
No, libertarians are far right.
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Could the two who disagreed with me elabroate please?
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Well I suppose I'm a lefty as I aint gonna be voting for them any time soon. I do agree with a lot of their policies but they are or at least their hierachy are to affiliated to the old NF. Don't get me wrong I've spoken to some sound people that vote BNP n they've even suggested that its even a party for my wife though that aint ever gonna happen,she's mixed race btw. Politically the closest party to my views is UKIP,perhaps they need to be stronger on Islam but untill a party does come along I'll stick to UKIP if I vote at all.
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Nope, way left is socialist, anarchist, maybe libertarian etc...?
Common mistake, BNP is actually far left not right ;)
spoton ? A man that knows he,s lefts from he,s right.top man
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Nope, way left is socialist, anarchist, maybe libertarian etc...?
Common mistake, BNP is actually far left not right ;)
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Could you help explain to me then?
I assumed, politics on the left were for lesw governement control and more personal freedom and liberty whereas the right was for more government control etc

Of course, this is only traditionally in cases such as the U.S.S.R the opposite occured
(Sorry Homo Sapien ;) )
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I think it would be great if UKIP lurched to the "right" and adopted more of the BNP's views on immigration, Islam, etc. They wouldn't carry the baggage of the BNP, which I think is the main reason more people don't vote for them. I fear that UKIP is just as afraid of incurring the wrath of political correctness as everybody else though and can't really be trusted to stick up for England/Britain.
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I think it would be great if UKIP lurched to the "right" and adopted more of the BNP's views on immigration, Islam, etc. They wouldn't carry the baggage of the BNP, which I think is the main reason more people don't vote for them. I fear that UKIP is just as afraid of incurring the wrath of political correctness as everybody else though and can't really be trusted to stick up for England/Britain.
I am so with you on this one.....
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political corectness is a curse! i agree with some bnp policies, not all. i believe they would have a better chance if they got rid of nick and put someone new with no past baggage in his place.
theres nothing wrong with a political party for brits, keeps the other parties on their toes.
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Lord Pearson of UKIP seems to "get it":
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I think your a bit confused with your left and right. Nothing wrong in that years of propaganda have ensured that this is the case. A certain Hans Eysenck came up with a good system for defining right and left. I'm not going to write you a treatise, but if you google 'political compass' you'll quickly find lots of useful information.
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If anyone wants to find out more about where they stand on the political spectrum, then I suggest that you take the Political Compass test. Link

The BNP are not far right.


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I think your a bit confused with your left and right. Nothing wrong in that years of propaganda have ensured that this is the case. A certain Hans Eysenck came up with a good system for defining right and left. I'm not going to write you a treatise, but if you google 'political compass' you'll quickly find lots of useful information.
Beat me to it, but I put a link in. ;)
Edited by Popper, Dec 14 2010, 11:04 PM.
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Kuhn I guess what Popper refers to?
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I think your a bit confused with your left and right. Nothing wrong in that years of propaganda have ensured that this is the case. A certain Hans Eysenck came up with a good system for defining right and left. I'm not going to write you a treatise, but if you google 'political compass' you'll quickly find lots of useful information.
Thanks to both that was pretty useful, although the linked website put the BNP on the Authoritarian Right, although more to the centre than Lab/Con.
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I might add that the BNP denounced EDL from day 1. EDL is a proscribed organisation. That means if you are a BNP member YOU cannot go on EDL demos according to BNP's own policies.

I've no problem with people voting for the BNP as a protest vote. But given how long they were a party obssessed with race, and given how long they were an explicitly anti-gay party, I would not want to see them in power. I wouldn't mind if there were a few BNP MPs, just to give the other MPs a hard time.

So cry me a river for the BNP. The London Division kicked Barnbrook out of their last meeting. They made it very clear there was sweet FA that he could do for them.

I don't think the BNP will ever escape their associations with racism, anti-semitism and homophobia. They wasted 20 years when they could have ditched those issues (which actually have nothing to do with being British and nothing to do with nationalism). They are as guilty as the other parties for the rise of islam in Britain. In fact, there are some people who think that Griffin works for MI5 and that the entire raison d'etre of the BNP was to make sure that nationalism had a bad name.
This i have got to hear ? how is the BNP as guilty as the other parties for the rise of islam ?
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